| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... 20:04 - Apr 13 with 7374 views | itfcjoe |
....become a problem?
Is he really the new owners first choice? |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:15 - Apr 13 with 1182 views | Swansea_Blue |
TEAM: Norwood and Drinan lead the line. by jayessess 13 Apr 2021 18:20A manager in post for 2 years and 5 transfer windows who keeps chopping and changing has proved himself bad at his job.
A manager in post for less than 2 months with players he didn't recruit who haven't produced anything for him doing it is him trying to work with what he has.
Different things are different.
Seems like a sensible way to view things. Much the same as Badger's view on this thread too.
Of course it's disappointing and we were all hoping for the new manager bounce at least. But surely he has to be given a chance and as fans we need to give him time? We all know the players aren't up to much as we spend every match day witnessing their 'efforts' to play football. |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:16 - Apr 13 with 1181 views | Cuffy81 |
It's not been a good start, but let's look at what he has to work with, a squad who isn't fit enough, or willing to complete one double training session
Tonight's crash car is probably due to the fact they were made to come in on Sunday.
He's tried a lot, formations, personnel, encouragement, demanding a performance - all ends up with the same.
These players aren't interested |  | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:16 - Apr 13 with 1178 views | billlm |
Wrote something similar on fb, I'm concerned that he hasent got anymore if not less out of them than lambert |  | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:16 - Apr 13 with 1168 views | homer_123 |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:14 - Apr 13 by pointofblue |
The biggest issue is not that we haven’t improved but, Northampton aside, we’ve actually gone backwards compared to the performances under Lambert. |
I find it odd that people seem happy to write off this season. Utterly defeatist and plays into the Club and players giving up. |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:17 - Apr 13 with 1154 views | NthQldITFC |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:10 - Apr 13 by gtsb1966 |
I think that is exactly what will happen. |
I hope that is exactly what will happen but, like a diseased tree, you've got to make sure that you cut enough of the diseased wood out otherwise the problem will just come back. I hope they have good psychological analysis people involved in the decision making with regard both to getting players in and out. |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:18 - Apr 13 with 1149 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:12 - Apr 13 by pointofblue |
Cook will quite rightly get the summer. What this run is doing is reducing the opportunity for him to have a dodgy start in August - any signs of the same old form and tensions will be raised straight away. |
You re all saying “summer clear out” etc, but do you expect an entirely new squad to gel in a few months?
I can see next season being a season of transition, maybe flitting around the play offs, but to think we’ll walk it because we might have a few quid is madness. |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:18 - Apr 13 with 1147 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:16 - Apr 13 by Cuffy81 |
It's not been a good start, but let's look at what he has to work with, a squad who isn't fit enough, or willing to complete one double training session
Tonight's crash car is probably due to the fact they were made to come in on Sunday.
He's tried a lot, formations, personnel, encouragement, demanding a performance - all ends up with the same.
These players aren't interested |
Deja vu. |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:19 - Apr 13 with 1146 views | TheBoyBlue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:16 - Apr 13 by homer_123 |
I find it odd that people seem happy to write off this season. Utterly defeatist and plays into the Club and players giving up. |
We're writing it off because for weeks and most of this season we've been dire. | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:19 - Apr 13 with 1128 views | pointofblue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:16 - Apr 13 by Cuffy81 |
It's not been a good start, but let's look at what he has to work with, a squad who isn't fit enough, or willing to complete one double training session
Tonight's crash car is probably due to the fact they were made to come in on Sunday.
He's tried a lot, formations, personnel, encouragement, demanding a performance - all ends up with the same.
These players aren't interested |
You know what, I wouldn’t mind at all if he came out and sold them down the river tonight - good for nothing, lazy, care free bunch of mercenaries who do nit give a dam about the badge, club or supporters. And if they feel he’s being unfair then prove it on the pitch.
Being nice hasn’t worked. Being encouraging hasn’t worked. The arm round the shoulder hasn’t worked. So stuff them. | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:19 - Apr 13 with 1132 views | jayessess |
Get the sense from these lineups that he's searching too hard for solutions. New formations, new personnel, no chance for any partnerships to develop or any patterns to work themselves out. |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:21 - Apr 13 with 1117 views | gordon |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:16 - Apr 13 by Cuffy81 |
It's not been a good start, but let's look at what he has to work with, a squad who isn't fit enough, or willing to complete one double training session
Tonight's crash car is probably due to the fact they were made to come in on Sunday.
He's tried a lot, formations, personnel, encouragement, demanding a performance - all ends up with the same.
These players aren't interested |
Don't really understand this attitude. Paul Cook's job until the end of the season is literally just to do everything he can to motivate these players to perform well. He's completely failing to do that - pretty much all of these players apart from Judge and Nsiala have been in just about the worst form of their careers recently. |  | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:21 - Apr 13 with 1100 views | pointofblue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:18 - Apr 13 by Wallingford_Boy |
You re all saying “summer clear out” etc, but do you expect an entirely new squad to gel in a few months?
I can see next season being a season of transition, maybe flitting around the play offs, but to think we’ll walk it because we might have a few quid is madness. |
So basically next season will be the same as this season? | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:22 - Apr 13 with 1102 views | SomethingBlue |
It is a concern. We were getting better, albeit from a very low base, when he arrived and I didn't really see this coming even if this bunch of players has form for it. He's throwing a lot of different things around and none of it is working; the only hope can be that it's helping him understand things properly.
He needs to be exactly the right man because we need to rebuild most of the squad, whoever is in charge, and if the wrong person is allowed to do it we will waste an extremely important year. | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:22 - Apr 13 with 1102 views | portmanking |
Strange reactionary post from you, Joe.
Cook has had b*gger all time on the training ground. IMO, Cook challenged these players to play out of their comfort zones and have simply not got the minerals. | | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:23 - Apr 13 with 1085 views | homer_123 |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:22 - Apr 13 by portmanking |
Strange reactionary post from you, Joe.
Cook has had b*gger all time on the training ground. IMO, Cook challenged these players to play out of their comfort zones and have simply not got the minerals. |
Its not reactionary. A few of us have been asking these questions for a few weeks. | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:23 - Apr 13 with 1087 views | Swansea_Blue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:16 - Apr 13 by homer_123 |
I find it odd that people seem happy to write off this season. Utterly defeatist and plays into the Club and players giving up. |
What can we do about it though? | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:23 - Apr 13 with 1080 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:21 - Apr 13 by pointofblue |
So basically next season will be the same as this season? |
I think there’s a fair chance. | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:24 - Apr 13 with 1073 views | HighgateBlue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:11 - Apr 13 by NeedhamChris |
I agree, said this in an earlier thread.
10 games under Paul Cook - 10pt (1pt per game)
Last 10 games under Paul Lambert - 15pts (1.5pts per game)
I didn't expect us to go up this year, but I expected to see some improvement. |
This is a perfectly fair comparison. Cook has been saying it's all about short term results right now, so why are they so much worse than under Lambert? And if someone says "ah but the structure of the club...", I think I might lose it... |  | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:25 - Apr 13 with 1061 views | homer_123 |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:23 - Apr 13 by Swansea_Blue |
What can we do about it though? |
We are good at abject shrugging I guess? Let's just do that....again. | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:26 - Apr 13 with 1046 views | portmanking |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:23 - Apr 13 by homer_123 |
Its not reactionary. A few of us have been asking these questions for a few weeks. |
What did you expect to happen? This squad still has the malaise of relegation running through its every pore. It needs totally gutting from top to bottom. No better man to do so than Cook at League 1 level.
This squad has no identity. And the players we have can't play the way Cook wants. | | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:27 - Apr 13 with 1009 views | DanTheMan |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:26 - Apr 13 by portmanking |
What did you expect to happen? This squad still has the malaise of relegation running through its every pore. It needs totally gutting from top to bottom. No better man to do so than Cook at League 1 level.
This squad has no identity. And the players we have can't play the way Cook wants. |
Honestly, I'd expected to see some small signs of improvement, or an attempt at a system. |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:29 - Apr 13 with 983 views | Cuffy81 |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:21 - Apr 13 by gordon |
Don't really understand this attitude. Paul Cook's job until the end of the season is literally just to do everything he can to motivate these players to perform well. He's completely failing to do that - pretty much all of these players apart from Judge and Nsiala have been in just about the worst form of their careers recently. |
How can you motivate players who don't care?
They have been in the comfort zone for too long. | | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:30 - Apr 13 with 980 views | homer_123 |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:26 - Apr 13 by portmanking |
What did you expect to happen? This squad still has the malaise of relegation running through its every pore. It needs totally gutting from top to bottom. No better man to do so than Cook at League 1 level.
This squad has no identity. And the players we have can't play the way Cook wants. |
I'd expect him to be able to get something out of them. A bit of fight and some semblance of approach.
I expected him to actually make a fist of reaching the play offs.
I didn't expect us to go backwards..
Do you reckon he was given the job by saying he didn't think he could get more out of the squad than Lambert? | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:30 - Apr 13 with 975 views | portmanking |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:27 - Apr 13 by DanTheMan |
Honestly, I'd expected to see some small signs of improvement, or an attempt at a system. |
Cook tried to implement his system. We haven't got the dynamism, speed or intensity in us to play it. Silk purse. Cow's ear. | | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:30 - Apr 13 with 961 views | haynes_toe1 |
I said after the first few games it was concerning there was no real tactical shift, no improved motivation, no manager bounce - no real team or formation changes, and we got slightly worse game after game.
After everyone had a go at me for criticising Cook for stubbornly sticking to a 4231 that didn't work for us, they then complimented him when he changed, 5 games too late.
We can say the players are rubbish. Well they were rubbish under Lambert, who himself was worse than rubbish. That we've got even worse under Cook, what does that make his managerial stint to date? | | | |
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