| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... 20:04 - Apr 13 with 7371 views | itfcjoe |
....become a problem?
Is he really the new owners first choice? |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:31 - Apr 13 with 749 views | DanTheMan |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:30 - Apr 13 by portmanking |
Cook tried to implement his system. We haven't got the dynamism, speed or intensity in us to play it. Silk purse. Cow's ear. |
That's fine, but I'd rather we kept trying that system and at least get them used to it as opposed to what amounts to some old Lambingo. |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:31 - Apr 13 with 749 views | pennblue |
You can't judge him on what you have seen so far.
You need to give him a summer to have a clear out, and really to be fair give him at least 2 seasons to see what he can do. |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:32 - Apr 13 with 747 views | gtsb1966 |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:30 - Apr 13 by haynes_toe1 |
I said after the first few games it was concerning there was no real tactical shift, no improved motivation, no manager bounce - no real team or formation changes, and we got slightly worse game after game.
After everyone had a go at me for criticising Cook for stubbornly sticking to a 4231 that didn't work for us, they then complimented him when he changed, 5 games too late.
We can say the players are rubbish. Well they were rubbish under Lambert, who himself was worse than rubbish. That we've got even worse under Cook, what does that make his managerial stint to date? |
So what would you do? |  | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:32 - Apr 13 with 744 views | Ojc |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:30 - Apr 13 by haynes_toe1 |
I said after the first few games it was concerning there was no real tactical shift, no improved motivation, no manager bounce - no real team or formation changes, and we got slightly worse game after game.
After everyone had a go at me for criticising Cook for stubbornly sticking to a 4231 that didn't work for us, they then complimented him when he changed, 5 games too late.
We can say the players are rubbish. Well they were rubbish under Lambert, who himself was worse than rubbish. That we've got even worse under Cook, what does that make his managerial stint to date? |
Everyone seems to also forget these are same players that had won the league in September and nobody could get near us.
They have the ability. | | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:32 - Apr 13 with 744 views | portmanking |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:30 - Apr 13 by homer_123 |
I'd expect him to be able to get something out of them. A bit of fight and some semblance of approach.
I expected him to actually make a fist of reaching the play offs.
I didn't expect us to go backwards..
Do you reckon he was given the job by saying he didn't think he could get more out of the squad than Lambert? |
I genuinely don't think he realised how unbalanced the squad was, pure and simple. It's been lopsided for years. This summer is the perfect storm to rip it all up and go again. Why on earth would you want to get promoted with this shower anyhow?! | | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:33 - Apr 13 with 729 views | jayessess |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:30 - Apr 13 by haynes_toe1 |
I said after the first few games it was concerning there was no real tactical shift, no improved motivation, no manager bounce - no real team or formation changes, and we got slightly worse game after game.
After everyone had a go at me for criticising Cook for stubbornly sticking to a 4231 that didn't work for us, they then complimented him when he changed, 5 games too late.
We can say the players are rubbish. Well they were rubbish under Lambert, who himself was worse than rubbish. That we've got even worse under Cook, what does that make his managerial stint to date? |
He should've been more stubborn, kept working at it. Two up front has been a disaster. |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:34 - Apr 13 with 717 views | pointofblue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:32 - Apr 13 by portmanking |
I genuinely don't think he realised how unbalanced the squad was, pure and simple. It's been lopsided for years. This summer is the perfect storm to rip it all up and go again. Why on earth would you want to get promoted with this shower anyhow?! |
If he didn’t realise how unbalanced the squad is then he couldn’t have done any due diligence on us whatsoever. | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:34 - Apr 13 with 718 views | Herbivore |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:31 - Apr 13 by DanTheMan |
That's fine, but I'd rather we kept trying that system and at least get them used to it as opposed to what amounts to some old Lambingo. |
Now that the season is over I'm hoping we'll see his preferred system and only using players who will likely still be here next season. We don't need to aim for short term results now, which is what he's been trying to do, so start building for next season now. |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:34 - Apr 13 with 717 views | N2_Blue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:13 - Apr 13 by TheBoyBlue |
This group of players have failed under three managers now. At what point do we blame them? |
said this so many times. This group of players are the common denominator.
Before the previous two managers were dubious....but PC has a great record...he doesn't become a bad manager overnight |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:35 - Apr 13 with 714 views | portmanking |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:31 - Apr 13 by DanTheMan |
That's fine, but I'd rather we kept trying that system and at least get them used to it as opposed to what amounts to some old Lambingo. |
What on earth would be the point of that? Most of those players won't be here to play that system next season. | | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:35 - Apr 13 with 707 views | longtimefan |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:27 - Apr 13 by DanTheMan |
Honestly, I'd expected to see some small signs of improvement, or an attempt at a system. |
Same here. It’s horribly reminiscent of Lambert’s arrival. I never expected him to save us from the drop, but I did expect him to make us hard to beat and improve us over time, however it never happened. Similarly I wasn’t expecting Cook to improve us dramatically to start with, but I wasn’t expecting things to go backwards. | | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:35 - Apr 13 with 705 views | Swansea_Blue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:31 - Apr 13 by DanTheMan |
That's fine, but I'd rather we kept trying that system and at least get them used to it as opposed to what amounts to some old Lambingo. |
It has to be the long game, doesn't it? Maybe we might have squeaked up under Lambert, but we'd be in the same sh*t next year, guaranteed, and likely to come straight back down. He proved he wasn't up to it.
At least this way we have a chance of a bit of a reset. It won't happen overnight and maybe I'm clutching at straws, but I'd take disruption and rebuilding over a continuation of Lambert any day of the week. |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:36 - Apr 13 with 701 views | Kieran_Knows |
Bring back Lambert... |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:37 - Apr 13 with 678 views | lowhouseblue |
anyone know why he took edwards off at that point - other than it being the 60th minute when he always makes changes? seemed a bizarre change to make. |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:37 - Apr 13 with 674 views | N2_Blue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:16 - Apr 13 by homer_123 |
I find it odd that people seem happy to write off this season. Utterly defeatist and plays into the Club and players giving up. |
The fans obviously hadn't written off the season, nor had PC.
But the players had....that is the problem. Stop having a dig at fans...we could see what the players were delivering...no one could have turned this around. | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:38 - Apr 13 with 667 views | pointofblue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:35 - Apr 13 by longtimefan |
Same here. It’s horribly reminiscent of Lambert’s arrival. I never expected him to save us from the drop, but I did expect him to make us hard to beat and improve us over time, however it never happened. Similarly I wasn’t expecting Cook to improve us dramatically to start with, but I wasn’t expecting things to go backwards. |
I think we were better under Lambert than we were under Hurst when he first came in. We certainly didn’t get worse (though admittedly that would have been difficult).
We had nothing going forward and our defence wasn’t Championship standard. | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:38 - Apr 13 with 670 views | StokieBlue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:34 - Apr 13 by Herbivore |
Now that the season is over I'm hoping we'll see his preferred system and only using players who will likely still be here next season. We don't need to aim for short term results now, which is what he's been trying to do, so start building for next season now. |
This has to happen.
4-2-3-1 with only players who will be here next season. I don't mind if that means playing the youths but there is no point at all playing any loanees or players who will be leaving.
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:38 - Apr 13 with 662 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Paul Cook is a top manager he’s show club after club. He hasn’t got a blotch on his record. This isn’t like Lambert who’s shown he underachieves.
He’s a bloody good manager, much better than us. If anything I feel sorry for him. |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:41 - Apr 13 with 645 views | SomethingBlue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:38 - Apr 13 by StokieBlue |
This has to happen.
4-2-3-1 with only players who will be here next season. I don't mind if that means playing the youths but there is no point at all playing any loanees or players who will be leaving.
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Unfathomably we are still only five points off so we need to give it one last go and try to beat Charlton. No, I don't think we have much of an earthly either but there is an obligation to try. Once Saturday is out of the way then yes, time to look firmly to next year. | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:43 - Apr 13 with 613 views | N2_Blue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:38 - Apr 13 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Paul Cook is a top manager he’s show club after club. He hasn’t got a blotch on his record. This isn’t like Lambert who’s shown he underachieves.
He’s a bloody good manager, much better than us. If anything I feel sorry for him. |
Finally someone talking sense.
I feel sorry for him too....bet he's regretting taking the job! | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:45 - Apr 13 with 589 views | haynes_toe1 |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:16 - Apr 13 by homer_123 |
I find it odd that people seem happy to write off this season. Utterly defeatist and plays into the Club and players giving up. |
Yeah I find it hard to accept. Criticising the players for downing tools yet writing off the season as a fan doesn't really add up.
Your previous post about Lambert not even making a go at staying up rings true for me a million times over. I warned at that point the signs were really concerning but fans had a pop at me for that one. But they seem determined to hold the same weirdly unambitious viewpoint regardless. This time in the third tier. | | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:46 - Apr 13 with 574 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:43 - Apr 13 by N2_Blue |
Finally someone talking sense.
I feel sorry for him too....bet he's regretting taking the job! |
The bloke should be in the championship managing. The system he wants to play doesn’t work with this players so he’s had to switch, then the players in the new system were useless.
Some of the comments on this thread are outrageous. He’s a top level manager I’m delighted he here. Next season he will get us promoted. When he can work on his system with his players. | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:46 - Apr 13 with 574 views | Vic |
I guess he could have left things as he found them under Lambert - playing the same style and system. That would have suited the players and we’d probably have ended up in or around the PO’s.
But that wasn’t what he was brought in to do. He was brought in to improve things - but in trying to do that he’s upset the stodgy equilibrium the players were in and thereby made the team worse. It’s a sad fact that they simply have not been able to up their game, up the tempo of even adapt to a few different tactics. So he gave up on the system he inherited, and we all said didn’t work. Give him kudos for accepting and recognizing they players couldn’t improve in that system
He then tries a different system that he thinks they may just be able to play better - only to find they can’t do that either!
He’s really up a creek without a paddle at the moment, in a no win situation. I’m not sure it’s really fair to blame the players - they have clearly been demotivated and were/are not fit - they couldn’t even do double sessions so he had to send them home and was left to say that he was disappointed. Clearly they are deconditioned (which is why we have so many injuries) and poorly coached.
It’s a tough, tough situation he’s in - I bet he didn’t realize it would be this hard to start to turn things round! He seems to have tried everything but nothing has worked. It’s either he goes or the players go. But there is nothing to suggest the players would be better this season under a new manager. He needs to stay and have a chance to rebuild and get the fitness levels up. The guy has a good track record at this level- there’s no reason to throw him overboard now. |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:46 - Apr 13 with 573 views | townblue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:26 - Apr 13 by portmanking |
What did you expect to happen? This squad still has the malaise of relegation running through its every pore. It needs totally gutting from top to bottom. No better man to do so than Cook at League 1 level.
This squad has no identity. And the players we have can't play the way Cook wants. |
I didn't expect us to get worse. |  | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:47 - Apr 13 with 559 views | Radlett_blue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:41 - Apr 13 by SomethingBlue |
Unfathomably we are still only five points off so we need to give it one last go and try to beat Charlton. No, I don't think we have much of an earthly either but there is an obligation to try. Once Saturday is out of the way then yes, time to look firmly to next year. |
We keep saying that and then we put in another poor performance. We realistically need 5 wins from 6 games to get in the play offs & as we are averaging a point a game under Cook, we should start building for next season. Don't play any more loan players (to his credit, Cook has been reluctant to play them) & also stop picking players who won't be here next season. Cook should have a good idea of that, but top of my list would be Chambers, Sears & Skuse. He already seems to have decided that with Huws. |  |
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