| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... 20:04 - Apr 13 with 7372 views | itfcjoe |
....become a problem?
Is he really the new owners first choice? |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:47 - Apr 13 with 1021 views | Stewart27 |
It’s a problem if he is not the new owners first choice.
If he’s not then he needs to go.
We’ve got new owners, a new CEO and a new direction. We absolutely can’t waist any more time giving a non preferred manager a load of funds to rebuild to potentially rip it up down the line.
I’d give him time. Give him the summer. But it’s not me making those decisions. |  | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:54 - Apr 13 with 978 views | Mullet |
Will be very interesting what that first proper meeting between him, O'Leary and Ashton yields won't it? There is a sense of stasis about the club because the owners don't really get to do much which shows until August do they?
Part of that will be how the team is shaped. Cook hasn't inherited a squad, he's inherited a mismatch of other managers' offcuts. It's nothing we didn't already know but the fact he can't get anything from them is a sticking point isn't it? |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:55 - Apr 13 with 958 views | jas0999 |
Utterly awful start. Worse than we were delivering after PL. that said, seems like the players have given up. | | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:56 - Apr 13 with 951 views | Herbivore |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:41 - Apr 13 by SomethingBlue |
Unfathomably we are still only five points off so we need to give it one last go and try to beat Charlton. No, I don't think we have much of an earthly either but there is an obligation to try. Once Saturday is out of the way then yes, time to look firmly to next year. |
We need to win 5 of our last 6 games, possibly even all 6 given our goal difference. It's not happening, I'd say less than a 1% chance. We may as well build for next season now. |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:56 - Apr 13 with 946 views | Vic |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:43 - Apr 13 by N2_Blue |
Finally someone talking sense.
I feel sorry for him too....bet he's regretting taking the job! |
Bet he’s not - not with the backing and changes that are coming. He came for a project and he’s got the perfect opportunity to grow something really good here. |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:58 - Apr 13 with 941 views | SomethingBlue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:56 - Apr 13 by Herbivore |
We need to win 5 of our last 6 games, possibly even all 6 given our goal difference. It's not happening, I'd say less than a 1% chance. We may as well build for next season now. |
It's not happening, but I'd just wait til we've no-shown on Saturday and then give it the five games after that to start the cull. | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:59 - Apr 13 with 922 views | StokieBlue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:41 - Apr 13 by SomethingBlue |
Unfathomably we are still only five points off so we need to give it one last go and try to beat Charlton. No, I don't think we have much of an earthly either but there is an obligation to try. Once Saturday is out of the way then yes, time to look firmly to next year. |
Let's be realistic here.
We can't beat anyone near the bottom, we aren't going to win the playoffs even if we get there and to be honest, we might be better off longer-term if Cook has a season at this level with the players he wants moulding them into a team rather than trying to build a team in the Championship right off the bat.
I can wait one more match but after that this has to be done.
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:01 - Apr 13 with 902 views | pointofblue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:59 - Apr 13 by StokieBlue |
Let's be realistic here.
We can't beat anyone near the bottom, we aren't going to win the playoffs even if we get there and to be honest, we might be better off longer-term if Cook has a season at this level with the players he wants moulding them into a team rather than trying to build a team in the Championship right off the bat.
I can wait one more match but after that this has to be done.
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We’ll probably scrape a win at Charlton after Holy plays out of his skin and we have a corner blown in by the wind. Results will go our way meaning we have to go full in at Northampton, only to lose that. | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:02 - Apr 13 with 897 views | monty_radio |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:34 - Apr 13 by Herbivore |
Now that the season is over I'm hoping we'll see his preferred system and only using players who will likely still be here next season. We don't need to aim for short term results now, which is what he's been trying to do, so start building for next season now. |
Difficult to see what that would mean in practice though given that just about everything's been tried, while the players have all taken turns at flattering to deceive. And then there's the problem that his preferred system relies on wingers that we don't have. | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:04 - Apr 13 with 878 views | Herbivore |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:02 - Apr 13 by monty_radio |
Difficult to see what that would mean in practice though given that just about everything's been tried, while the players have all taken turns at flattering to deceive. And then there's the problem that his preferred system relies on wingers that we don't have. |
We've got Lankester and Dobra, both will be here next season. Play them wide in a 4-2-3-1, stick Bishop in behind the striker, Dozzell and Downes anchoring. I'd expect those players to all be here next season. | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:05 - Apr 13 with 865 views | StokieBlue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:04 - Apr 13 by Herbivore |
We've got Lankester and Dobra, both will be here next season. Play them wide in a 4-2-3-1, stick Bishop in behind the striker, Dozzell and Downes anchoring. I'd expect those players to all be here next season. |
That actually sounds OK given the options and as you say, it can't hurt given they will be here next season.
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:06 - Apr 13 with 857 views | pointofblue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:04 - Apr 13 by Herbivore |
We've got Lankester and Dobra, both will be here next season. Play them wide in a 4-2-3-1, stick Bishop in behind the striker, Dozzell and Downes anchoring. I'd expect those players to all be here next season. |
I had completely forgotten about Lankester! | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:09 - Apr 13 with 838 views | monty_radio |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:04 - Apr 13 by Herbivore |
We've got Lankester and Dobra, both will be here next season. Play them wide in a 4-2-3-1, stick Bishop in behind the striker, Dozzell and Downes anchoring. I'd expect those players to all be here next season. |
That fits with the being here next season idea, but still relies on Dobra who is said to prefer playing as a 10, and Lankester who has looked a shadow of what he was. I guess we have to try something though. | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:09 - Apr 13 with 837 views | J2BLUE |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 20:58 - Apr 13 by SomethingBlue |
It's not happening, but I'd just wait til we've no-shown on Saturday and then give it the five games after that to start the cull. |
Agree. While there is a chance, however small, we have to keep trying.
In a way it will be a relief when the season is mathematically over. |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:13 - Apr 13 with 809 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
Itfcjoe and blaming managers part 15 702. You blame manager after manager after manager.
You never blame players and their attitude. They are untouchable for you.
You never question the skipper and his leadership skills.
You never question our own product. Moreover you have been overhyping them for years.
Cook has inherited the worst crap in the history of the club who have been stealing a living for years. These parasites got clapped and cheered for the relegation exactly 2 years ago.
It is always the manager's fault, eh? |  | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:13 - Apr 13 with 807 views | hype313 |
I think it just shows a complete car crash if recruitment for the past 3 years coming home to roost, also people thinking the players were far better than they are, they're clearly not, they are bang average league one players, as the table shows.
Really can't judge a manager until he has a couple of windows to put his own stamp and own players together.
You would expect a manager bounce, but 90% of this squad are diabolical, and expect to leave, anyone would struggle to motivate them, you would like to think they would want to take personal responsibility to secure contracts elsewhere, but again, these players are shot. |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:25 - Apr 13 with 753 views | peterleeblue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:13 - Apr 13 by hype313 |
I think it just shows a complete car crash if recruitment for the past 3 years coming home to roost, also people thinking the players were far better than they are, they're clearly not, they are bang average league one players, as the table shows.
Really can't judge a manager until he has a couple of windows to put his own stamp and own players together.
You would expect a manager bounce, but 90% of this squad are diabolical, and expect to leave, anyone would struggle to motivate them, you would like to think they would want to take personal responsibility to secure contracts elsewhere, but again, these players are shot. |
"you would like to think they would want to take personal responsibility to secure contracts elsewhere,"
Absolutely and you would like to think they will end up in National South or lower but the reality is they WILL get contracts elsewhere and some will no doubt come back and haunt us. |  | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:34 - Apr 13 with 723 views | Seablu |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:25 - Apr 13 by peterleeblue |
"you would like to think they would want to take personal responsibility to secure contracts elsewhere,"
Absolutely and you would like to think they will end up in National South or lower but the reality is they WILL get contracts elsewhere and some will no doubt come back and haunt us. |
They’re like a bunch of feral children who need to be separated for their own good.
I just can’t work out who the salvageable ones are. |  | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:36 - Apr 13 with 712 views | pointofblue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:34 - Apr 13 by Seablu |
They’re like a bunch of feral children who need to be separated for their own good.
I just can’t work out who the salvageable ones are. |
Can’t help but feel the salvageable ones are the ones under contract next year - because we have no choice. | |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:37 - Apr 13 with 707 views | ZXBlue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:09 - Apr 13 by monty_radio |
That fits with the being here next season idea, but still relies on Dobra who is said to prefer playing as a 10, and Lankester who has looked a shadow of what he was. I guess we have to try something though. |
He needs some time in a confident team that functions properly. But yes, he has been a shadow so far. So has Bishop to be fair. | | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:41 - Apr 13 with 691 views | ZXBlue |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:34 - Apr 13 by Seablu |
They’re like a bunch of feral children who need to be separated for their own good.
I just can’t work out who the salvageable ones are. |
The problem is that players in poorly functioning team, get dragged down.
At least some of these, if confident, fit and clear as to their role in a team that is working properly, will flourish. | | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 21:44 - Apr 13 with 676 views | istanblue |
Literally been saying this ages ago.
Another ''free hit'' by istanblue 7 Mar 2021 14:50Many fans already getting their excuses in early for Paul Cook should we fail to make the play-offs: ''not his players'', ''takeover talk in the background'', ''not his system'' etc. This sounds awfully similar to when Paul Lambert came in and was essentially given a free hit as we limped to a pathetic relegation as fans clapped. It's about time supporters had some expectations for managers to perform well. For too long this has club has accepted mediocrity and failure. It's not exactly asking a lot to expect a manager to guide a club the size if ITFC in League 1 into the play-offs having been 1 place and 2 points outside them (with a game in hand) when appointed.
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 22:09 - Apr 13 with 616 views | ITFCBlues |
At what point does it start to sink in that you're massively wrong with your beliefs that this squad is anything better than mid table L1 standard? |  |
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| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 22:14 - Apr 13 with 592 views | Horsham |
At the moment it’s all so incoherent, it’s just impossible to see what he’s trying to do. I worry that he’s flip flopping tactically when his previous reputation is built on rigidly sticking to a plan. I’m worried but hopefully he’ll be fine. |  | | |
| At what point does the fact that we get worse every single game under Cook.... on 22:29 - Apr 13 with 545 views | dirtyboy |
Rats and sinking ship spring to mind.
How many of the out of contract players are fed up with losing and already lined up mew clubs?
We have a lot and their hearts just seem like they’re in it.
5/6 new players. Shrink squad, close knit team.
We’ve all seen many of this squad not up to scratch for a couple of years, Cook can’t rectify them, their heads have gone. |  | | |
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