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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ 21:54 - Apr 21 with 2907 viewsBlueastheycome

After reading the thread on Northern based ITFC fans..it got me thinking

It has to be anything in line with Chesterfield doesn’t it? Purely because Sheffield is just 12 miles north of Chesterfield and Sheffield is traditionally considered ‘up north’
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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 21:55 - Apr 21 with 1481 viewsFtnfwest

Watford gap services
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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 21:56 - Apr 21 with 1469 viewsTractorCam

I've always thought north of Birmingham, but that somehow includes Norwich and Peterborough.

I'd say you're probably bang on.

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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 21:56 - Apr 21 with 1464 viewsBlueastheycome

Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 21:55 - Apr 21 by Ftnfwest

Watford gap services


According to Roy Harper it is
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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 21:57 - Apr 21 with 1454 viewsGuthrum

Watford Gap services, traditionally. Which is about level with Bury St Edmunds.

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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 21:58 - Apr 21 with 1445 viewsBlueastheycome

Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 21:56 - Apr 21 by TractorCam

I've always thought north of Birmingham, but that somehow includes Norwich and Peterborough.

I'd say you're probably bang on.


It would genuinely be interesting to get the views and feedback of Chesterfieldites on this issue... if I was sad enough
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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 22:03 - Apr 21 with 1418 viewsfactual_blue

Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 21:56 - Apr 21 by TractorCam

I've always thought north of Birmingham, but that somehow includes Norwich and Peterborough.

I'd say you're probably bang on.


I used to regularly annoy a norfukker at work by reminding them norwich is north of Wolverhampton.

They used to get unbelievably angry about this.

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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 22:19 - Apr 21 with 1382 viewsITFC_Forever

Anything above Stoke / Derby / Nottingham.

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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 22:24 - Apr 21 with 1374 viewsMercian

As someone who lives on the verge of The North I can say that, at least in The East Midlands, that the northern accents start at around Alfreton in Derbyshire stretching into Sutton and Mansfield in Notts. Although not technically northern there is a touch of Yorkshire twang and culture in these towns. 10 Miles further North in Chesterfield and Worksop the accent and culture is very much Sheffield despite both still being in The Midlands.
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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 22:25 - Apr 21 with 1365 viewsMercian

Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 22:19 - Apr 21 by ITFC_Forever

Anything above Stoke / Derby / Nottingham.


Pretty much yes.
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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 22:26 - Apr 21 with 1351 viewsRyorry

When I was a young lass living near Guildford, and had never been further North than Watford, an older (maybe about 50) colleague in the office I was working in said she was going up north to Derby that weekend, as she was from there. I was well impressed, & Derby's been where 'the North' starts for me ever since.

She also said they were fans of Derby County, who were flying high in the 2nd tier at the time (I think that dates it as 1968-9) & were going to take in a home game.

Strange how those things stick in your mind but I can't remember the names of some roads in the place I've been living for the past 5 years!

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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 22:28 - Apr 21 with 1347 viewsKropotkin123

The north is when you encounter hills that are above 200m high and the south is when you encounter rude people
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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 22:31 - Apr 21 with 1330 viewsMercian

Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 22:26 - Apr 21 by Ryorry

When I was a young lass living near Guildford, and had never been further North than Watford, an older (maybe about 50) colleague in the office I was working in said she was going up north to Derby that weekend, as she was from there. I was well impressed, & Derby's been where 'the North' starts for me ever since.

She also said they were fans of Derby County, who were flying high in the 2nd tier at the time (I think that dates it as 1968-9) & were going to take in a home game.

Strange how those things stick in your mind but I can't remember the names of some roads in the place I've been living for the past 5 years!


I live in 10 miles north of Derby and it is still Midlands here, just.
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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 22:31 - Apr 21 with 1328 viewsRyorry

Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 22:28 - Apr 21 by Kropotkin123

The north is when you encounter hills that are above 200m high and the south is when you encounter rude people
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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 22:32 - Apr 21 with 1323 viewsVic

Beccles, Bungay, Eye - they’re all up north.

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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 22:37 - Apr 21 with 1307 viewsexeterblue10

For me, strike a line due east from Chester and everything north of it is The North (ish)
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It’s everywhere North of Newark on Trent on 22:43 - Apr 21 with 1301 viewsunstableblue

... Chesterfield, Mansfield are in the North...

There’s almost a change in architecture, stronger accents, north of that key Town

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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 22:55 - Apr 21 with 1252 viewsChurchman

Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 21:56 - Apr 21 by TractorCam

I've always thought north of Birmingham, but that somehow includes Norwich and Peterborough.

I'd say you're probably bang on.


I agree - north of Birmingham for me. My mate reckons anywhere north of the Thames 😃
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Yes (n/t) on 22:58 - Apr 21 with 1241 viewsunstableblue

Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 22:19 - Apr 21 by ITFC_Forever

Anything above Stoke / Derby / Nottingham.



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Yes indeed (n/t) on 22:59 - Apr 21 with 1237 viewsunstableblue

Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 22:24 - Apr 21 by Mercian

As someone who lives on the verge of The North I can say that, at least in The East Midlands, that the northern accents start at around Alfreton in Derbyshire stretching into Sutton and Mansfield in Notts. Although not technically northern there is a touch of Yorkshire twang and culture in these towns. 10 Miles further North in Chesterfield and Worksop the accent and culture is very much Sheffield despite both still being in The Midlands.



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(No subject) (n/t) on 23:07 - Apr 21 with 1226 viewsCheshire_Tractor

Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 22:19 - Apr 21 by ITFC_Forever

Anything above Stoke / Derby / Nottingham.


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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 23:32 - Apr 21 with 1174 viewsStNeotsBlue

My house overlooks the A1, from here I reckon anything north of Grantham is northern.
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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 23:43 - Apr 21 with 1164 viewsTangledupin_Blue

I was in Aberdeen one day, chatting with a local lorry driver. I asked him whether he gets 'south' very often. "Yes" he said. "I often go to Glasgow and I've been to Carlisle a couple of times".

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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 23:45 - Apr 21 with 1164 viewsTrequartista

https://brilliantmaps.com/england-north-south/

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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 00:12 - Apr 22 with 1117 viewsGuthrum

Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 23:45 - Apr 21 by Trequartista

https://brilliantmaps.com/england-north-south/


Pretty much the Fosse Way - same as in the early period of the Roman Occupation.

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Whereabouts does ‘the north’ become ‘the north?’ on 06:41 - Apr 22 with 1001 viewsIPS_wich

When I went to Uni in Leeds is was often debated and we kind of settled on the divide being based on county borders rather than specific towns/cities.

From East to West everyone agreed:
- Humberside (as was - now East Yorkshire) is in the north; Lincolnshire is in the midlands
- South Yorkshire is in the north, Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire are in the midlands
- Lancashire and Merseyside are in the north, Staffordshire and Shropshire are in the midlands

Which always left Cheshire for endless debate - although the map (see below) would suggest it is in line with Lincs/Derbs/Notts so should be classed as the Midlands.

As for the Midlands to South divide everyone agreed Staffs/Shrops/Derbys/Notts/Lincs (as mentioned) are in the Midlands, plus Leicestershire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire and Herefordshire.

Then one school of thought was that the divide was from the Wash to the Avon, which would mean just the counties named above were the Midlands and everything else was 'the South'.

The second school of thought was that if you look at the map and determine Warwickshire (with Birmingham in the middle) was the true heart of the Midlands, then in addition to those above so Northants, Norfolk, Cambridgeshire and Suffolk should be classed as the Midlands.

I would often then get asked whether I thought I was from the midlands or the south - and when I said neither, I'd always classed myself as East Anglian then everyone would laugh and make some sort of comment that this was no different to being 'welsh' - which to be honest I was fine with because I didn't really fancy being classed as either a midlander or a southerner.

You would also always get some Geordie (including my missus) or some Scot who would say that everyone was a Southerner, even those from Yorkshire...

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