| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way 09:14 - May 13 with 3618 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
I'm not one to have a moan, but it doesn't feel like the Ipswich way.
Does the squad need a rebuild? Yes.
Did the ones out of contract deserve a new contract based on their performances? No (except maybe one or two at most).
Have the homegrown lads been let down by the senior players at the club for the past 2-3 years? Absolutely. That's why they're all on their way out.
There's always an extra incentive when you see homegrown players on the team sheet. I'm not surprised by a couple of names as they won't push us forwards, but I'm really disappointed to see 3 academy players told they can go when they're good enough and add something.
I won't be buying a season ticket. At the minute we don't have any players (literally) who I'd pay to watch. We may sign a few who are good players, but they won't have the same feel as watching one of our homegrown boys. Just like those boys, Ipswich is at the heart for us too and that's being stripped away.
The job seems to have got harder to get the fans back on board now - I'm sure I'm not the only one who's been rubbed up the wrong way seeing a few names told they can go.
Edit - Flynn Downes probably joins Luton and makes them a better team, but not wanted here. It doesn't add up. [Post edited 13 May 2021 9:18]
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| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 09:47 - May 13 with 646 views | borge |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 09:24 - May 13 by Keno |
so you are happy with the current "Ipswich way' of under performing for 13 years and drifting into oblivion |
I don't think anyone is happy with that Keno, but we arguably haven't had the "Ipswich way" since Royle left (even Magilton seemed to fail to grasp it as a manager despite having been part of it as a player). It's more a case of ensuring we lose the current "Ipswich way" and get back to what the club should be about. If we cut adrift anyone and everyone who has any long-term connection to the club (appreciate that is an exaggeration), then that simply won't happen. |  | | |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 09:48 - May 13 with 644 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 09:38 - May 13 by itfcjoe |
We've gone from Lambert being useless and underperforming to the players all now being useless.
There's not a lot of room for nuance - maybe we should burn Portman Road down and rebuild a stadium somewhere else as well |
Or the supporters are told to find a new club as well... | |
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| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 09:50 - May 13 with 625 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 09:45 - May 13 by JakeITFC |
Important distinction to be made here - telling players they may be sold is not the same as saying they are not good enough. |
That is true. The reasons may be because they hold value and it balances the cash flow, but we've let go of players in the past for next to nothing and now they all play in the Prem (Cresswell, Mings, Webster and McGoldrick). | |
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| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 09:50 - May 13 with 626 views | Swansea_Blue |
"Does the squad need a rebuild? Yes.
Did the ones out of contract deserve a new contract based on their performances? No (except maybe one or two at most).
Have the homegrown lads been let down by the senior players at the club for the past 2-3 years? Absolutely. That's why they're all on their way out."
I think you could have stopped there. Everything you've identified as needing to happen is happening. And it's early days. Transfer window times haven't even been announced for all leagues yet.
People need to calm down. We've a whole summer to rebuild and we've got new owners and managmeent staff, so things could go very differently to recent seasons. Let's see where we are when the preseason games get going and then again wehn the window closes. If we're in a bad state then and the results in the first couple of months are terrible, that woud be a better time to start worrying and complaining. |  |
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| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 09:51 - May 13 with 621 views | Bluespeed225 |
If we put out a team with 6 academy graduates in it I could understand what the Ipswich way' is. Thats never going to happen. if we get 2 throught o the first team we'll be doing ok. | | | |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 09:55 - May 13 with 596 views | Guthrum |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 09:38 - May 13 by itfcjoe |
We've gone from Lambert being useless and underperforming to the players all now being useless.
There's not a lot of room for nuance - maybe we should burn Portman Road down and rebuild a stadium somewhere else as well |
Perhaps both parts of your first sentence were correct? A vicious cycle of underperformance and lack of dynamism driving the club into the ground. After all, it's very easy to blame the manager for all the team's woes, perhaps masking other issues.
A bit like England's Golden Generation. Brilliant players in other teams who consistently failed to achieve for their country. Then along comes the unfancied Gareth Southgate, puts together a team of notionally lower quality and reaches the semi-final of the World Cup. |  |
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| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 09:56 - May 13 with 587 views | BlueForYou |
Definition of Ipswich Way is failure & obscurity. Some of you lot are on a different planet. |  | | |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 09:57 - May 13 with 586 views | SaigonTractor |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 09:21 - May 13 by SouperJim |
"The Ipswich Way" is a meaningless phrase bandied about by people when what they mean is simply "I don't like this". |
Spot on. It's like when ex Man Utd players go on abouyt "The Utd Way" which usually just means "we want to win the Premier League" |  | | |
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| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 09:58 - May 13 with 582 views | Churchman |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 09:24 - May 13 by Keno |
so you are happy with the current "Ipswich way' of under performing for 13 years and drifting into oblivion |
Agreed. There is no such thing as the ‘Ipswich Way’. There never was. The original identity and way of doing things died with the Cobbolds decades ago. The closest after that was the Burley years and that ended when Sheepshanks and co bankrupted the club and shafted most of the local businesses.
If the Ipswich way is being owned by a faceless owner who spends 14 years allowing the club to rot down the leagues after the quick flip for a profit attempt went pear shaped, you can keep it. How anyone can be happy watching a collection of disinterested, unfit has beens, never will be’s, pension seekers and journeymen failing, all bar a couple of seasons, since Evans slithered into view is quite beyond me.
We are a middling League One (old Third Division) club. We deserve to be here and belong here. Without change we could hope to cling on to the coat tails of Fleetwood and Crewe, but the reality was we’d have faded to League Two within a few years. Our squad of 40+ players showed a lack of professionalism that appalled me in a fading unhappy environment. Nobody cared, bar maybe some old players and yoof coaches.
At the time when the might of Northampton and the titans of Wimbledon gave us a damn good hiding, I wanted all the players gone in my annoyance. Extreme? Yes. But I’ve no problem with Cook actually doing it. We need a reset. The new owners are giving us that. It may fail, it may succeed, but it’s better than what was happening under deadhand Evans. [Post edited 13 May 2021 10:00]
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| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 10:04 - May 13 with 565 views | BlueBlood90 |
Like the same home grown lad that we developed for 10 years and then they made a transfer request after doing well for half a season? (Flynn Downes).
People get too wrapped up in home grown players in my opinion.
It's obviously nice to see young lads come through and play in the first team but I ultimately want the best 11 players on the pitch that we could possibly field whether they come from Ipswich or Uganda. |  |
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| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 12:28 - May 13 with 513 views | borge |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 09:56 - May 13 by BlueForYou |
Definition of Ipswich Way is failure & obscurity. Some of you lot are on a different planet. |
Yes, a planet that existed pre-2002..... | | | |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 12:34 - May 13 with 495 views | borge |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 09:58 - May 13 by Churchman |
Agreed. There is no such thing as the ‘Ipswich Way’. There never was. The original identity and way of doing things died with the Cobbolds decades ago. The closest after that was the Burley years and that ended when Sheepshanks and co bankrupted the club and shafted most of the local businesses.
If the Ipswich way is being owned by a faceless owner who spends 14 years allowing the club to rot down the leagues after the quick flip for a profit attempt went pear shaped, you can keep it. How anyone can be happy watching a collection of disinterested, unfit has beens, never will be’s, pension seekers and journeymen failing, all bar a couple of seasons, since Evans slithered into view is quite beyond me.
We are a middling League One (old Third Division) club. We deserve to be here and belong here. Without change we could hope to cling on to the coat tails of Fleetwood and Crewe, but the reality was we’d have faded to League Two within a few years. Our squad of 40+ players showed a lack of professionalism that appalled me in a fading unhappy environment. Nobody cared, bar maybe some old players and yoof coaches.
At the time when the might of Northampton and the titans of Wimbledon gave us a damn good hiding, I wanted all the players gone in my annoyance. Extreme? Yes. But I’ve no problem with Cook actually doing it. We need a reset. The new owners are giving us that. It may fail, it may succeed, but it’s better than what was happening under deadhand Evans. [Post edited 13 May 2021 10:00]
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I think you are missing the point.
You are assuming that anyone who wants to retain the 'Ipswich way' wants to retain what we've in our recent history. I would argue that that is absolutely contrary to what those of us having a flounce today are advocating.
The points in your last three paragraphs are right; we've been consistently sh1t in our recent history and this has coincided with a period of ownership and culture which could in no way be compared to what came before. In other words, our recent history is not in any way, shape or form the 'Ipswich way'.
No-one, but no-one amongst the fan base wants to languish in division three and witness our team being beaten by teams we would effectively consider to be 'non-league', but that doesn't mean you can't achieve success whilst trying to retain some form of heritage - the two are by no means mutually exclusive. | | | |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 12:37 - May 13 with 493 views | ghostofescobar |
The “Ipswich Way” is a load of bollox. If there is such a thing, it worked in the 1970’s, but the softly softly approach is a large part of the creeping problems that have eventually sunk us. Cooks approach may or may not work. But not doing it because it doesn’t fit some kind of rose tinted, fairy tale myth about the club would be wrong. |  |
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| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 12:45 - May 13 with 489 views | MattinLondon |
I’m going to have to say that the ‘Ipswich way’ is a complete fallacy. It’s a meaningless phrase that tends to be used by blokes who also use the phrase ‘proper club’ to belittle clubs such as Bournemouth who they don’t like musceling in on their set way of football thinking. ‘Modern football and modern football fans’ tends to be another phrase loved by those stuck in the early 80s.
Got crying out loud we are a L1 team more middle table than promotion pushing - the younger players are still players who have not shown enough to shine in a third tier team.
The academy won’t be demolished and their will still be a clear pathway into the first team but there is too much romanticism attached to younger homegrown players which camouflages people’s thoughts to their true ability.
The owners have said that they want to attract younger fans back and that they want the club to be at the heart of the community - let’s give them a chance to do just that.
I don’t wish to be scathing but for the past twenty or so years the Ipswich way has been mediocrity. I’m all for a ruthless yet considered approach. |  | | |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 12:47 - May 13 with 487 views | itfcpaul |
if in 12 months time we are Champions, will you have the same sentiment? | |
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| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 12:48 - May 13 with 487 views | StokieBlue |
Whilst it's nice to have homegrown players there has been a long-standing tendency to see our youngsters through blue-tinted glasses and assign a quality that is perhaps not there.
Now I do think that some of the academy players that could go would still do a good job but realistically we haven't produced a good premiership quality homegrown player in ages.
Perhaps we needed shocking out of our little bubble where the academy is king. Also worth noting that there is a good crop of U18's coming through who may step up.
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| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 12:50 - May 13 with 482 views | Coco |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 09:27 - May 13 by itfcjoe |
You're not the only one who feels this way, I know it is an unpopular position right now. |
it's not an 'unpopular position' it's just a farcical over-reaction. |  |
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| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 12:55 - May 13 with 469 views | Coco |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 09:38 - May 13 by itfcjoe |
We've gone from Lambert being useless and underperforming to the players all now being useless.
There's not a lot of room for nuance - maybe we should burn Portman Road down and rebuild a stadium somewhere else as well |
WHAT DO YOU WANT?
All players to go except Downes and Dozzell? Dozzell made skipper so you can foster a pitch side chat with Dozz senior during a youth game? The club need reviving, that is a fact. | |
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| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 12:57 - May 13 with 462 views | SouperJim |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 09:45 - May 13 by borge |
And saying it is a meaningless phrase is something that is bandied about who don't understand that in the long-term, people buy into culture and heritage, not just a momentary spark of change/investment/re-invention. Supporting a football club is about a sense of belonging and you need more than just a name to retain that sense.
Mark Detmer is right, we do have a lost generation of fans and that generation has no real connection to or understanding of our long term culture because they haven't seen/experienced it. We clearly need investment in the squad/coaching infrastructure to make us successful, but the bi-product of that shouldn't be further degradation of our heritage. In that respect the club needs time, not knee-jerk throw the baby out with the bathwater reactions. |
To your first point, no it isn't.
I'm simply saying the phrase doesn't consistently get applied to one set of values or principles. That's not the same as saying what you personally apply it to doesn't have value. As I've said on the other thread on this, ask 100 fans what The Ipswich Way is and you'll get 100 different answers.
"You are not special. You're not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else. We're all part of the same compost heap. We're all singing, all dancing crap of the world.” |  |
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| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 12:57 - May 13 with 462 views | NthQldITFC |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 12:50 - May 13 by Coco |
it's not an 'unpopular position' it's just a farcical over-reaction. |
I'm probably more aligned with your thinking, but to say Joe's reaction is a 'farcical over-reaction' is, in my opinion, a non-farcical over-reaction! |  |
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| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 13:01 - May 13 with 446 views | mogga |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 12:57 - May 13 by NthQldITFC |
I'm probably more aligned with your thinking, but to say Joe's reaction is a 'farcical over-reaction' is, in my opinion, a non-farcical over-reaction! |
I’ve always loved the way a lot of fans think all our youngsters must be amazing just because they came through the academy. The squad needs stripping and better players brought in. Who cares about the so called Ipswich way if Cook delivers winning football, that’s all we really want isn’t it? | | | |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 13:04 - May 13 with 439 views | borge |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 12:57 - May 13 by SouperJim |
To your first point, no it isn't.
I'm simply saying the phrase doesn't consistently get applied to one set of values or principles. That's not the same as saying what you personally apply it to doesn't have value. As I've said on the other thread on this, ask 100 fans what The Ipswich Way is and you'll get 100 different answers.
"You are not special. You're not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else. We're all part of the same compost heap. We're all singing, all dancing crap of the world.” |
Well it may not be about belonging for you, but for many people it is. I am interested to know what it is for you?
I agree that you would get many different answers, but I suspect they would largely be based around a number of themes. Now you may well then find you get the same themes at other clubs if you ask the same question, but that doesn't mean that there is neither value nor truth in them.
And maybe you don't think there is anything special or beautiful about our club, but I happen to and rightly or wrongly it is something I would like to preserve. | | | |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 13:10 - May 13 with 427 views | bobbyramsey |
It's also not the "Ipswich way" to fester in League One/Two.... |  | | |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 13:12 - May 13 with 422 views | jayessess |
| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 12:48 - May 13 by StokieBlue |
Whilst it's nice to have homegrown players there has been a long-standing tendency to see our youngsters through blue-tinted glasses and assign a quality that is perhaps not there.
Now I do think that some of the academy players that could go would still do a good job but realistically we haven't produced a good premiership quality homegrown player in ages.
Perhaps we needed shocking out of our little bubble where the academy is king. Also worth noting that there is a good crop of U18's coming through who may step up.
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Can't wait for our promising U18s to become disappointing failures as soon as they've played a bit for the first team. |  |
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| Doesn't really feel like the Ipswich way on 13:14 - May 13 with 419 views | textbackup |
Fck the Ipswich way - which doesn’t even exist
I want a winning way. Team to be proud of.
Biting my lip watching some of our lot under perform weekly isn’t going to get us what our new owners want |  |
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