| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 09:08 - Jun 30 with 2447 views | wkj |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 08:50 - Jun 30 by BiGDonnie |
Not many goals or assists and a bad attitude? |
If that makes you feel more comfy, sure. |  |
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 09:13 - Jun 30 with 2438 views | MrTown |
I think Flynn Downes and Jack Taylor would be a very good partnership in the Championship.
£2m + add-ons. Would like to be a fly on the wall for negotiations between Darragh Mac & Mark Ashton! |  |
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 09:34 - Jun 30 with 2387 views | monty_radio |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 07:42 - Jun 30 by portmanking |
The ridiculous thing though is that he'd be merely adding another stepping stone. We're no less of a stepping stone than Peterborough.
I would love him to go into Cook's office this morning and say, I'm all in with Town this season, let me train and play alongside Evans, Harper et al. |
To a reputedly impatient young man the stone he'd be stepping onto is one year saved (hypothetically more) on his supposed trajectory. |  |
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 09:40 - Jun 30 with 2369 views | clive_baker |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 07:22 - Jun 30 by wkj |
I have to say I find that a bit harsh. It is hard to believe, but not everyone in the squad was terrible last year - and without Downes we'd have been more worried about relegation than scraping the playoffs.
IMHO if we sell him to Peterborough, that's dangerous - it isn't so much what we lose, but more what they gain. |
Agree. He's a good player who was out for a huge part of last season, so can't really blame him for that. On the occasions he did play he looked like he had that extra quality but seemed to cut a very frustrated figure. I can't help but think in a more professional set up and with the likes of Evans and Harper around him that he could excel this season, although he seems destined for the exit door.
The plus side of selling to Peterborough is they do tend to get good money for players, so if we've got a sell on clause that might prove fruitful further down the line. |  |
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 09:55 - Jun 30 with 2327 views | SouperJim |
It's a good move. He doesn't want to be here, they're a division higher and are one of the best clubs around for putting players in the shop window and selling them on. As others have said, if we're smart we'll put more emphasis on a hefty sell on clause than worrying too much about the upfront fee, so long as it is north of £1m.
I do think if Flynn isn't careful he's got a rude awakening coming at some point however. He needs to realise that in order for his career to match his ambition, he needs to work hard every year for the club he's contracted to. At the moment he does smack a little bit of being a big time charlie. |  |
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 09:56 - Jun 30 with 2318 views | wkj |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 09:34 - Jun 30 by monty_radio |
To a reputedly impatient young man the stone he'd be stepping onto is one year saved (hypothetically more) on his supposed trajectory. |
True - although having been placed with the U23 for training, you'd think Cook is less interested in giving him games. | |
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 10:22 - Jun 30 with 2278 views | Sharkey |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 09:13 - Jun 30 by MrTown |
I think Flynn Downes and Jack Taylor would be a very good partnership in the Championship.
£2m + add-ons. Would like to be a fly on the wall for negotiations between Darragh Mac & Mark Ashton! |
I suppose it was Ashton who sold Sammie Szmodics to Peterborough. Most reports say ‘undisclosed
Fee’ with the suggestion it was about the million pound mark, which was a bit of profit, but with no mention of any ‘add-ons’. (Posh gave Szmodics a FOUR-year contract, which must be very unusual at this level. ) |  | | |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 10:42 - Jun 30 with 2250 views | itfcjoe |
I'm hoping he's one that ends up staying - we still want a good fee for him and don't see us achieving that.
Get an arm round his shoulder, and get him back in the fold - we shouldn't cut off our nose to spite our face |  |
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 10:44 - Jun 30 with 2244 views | itfcjoe |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 07:42 - Jun 30 by portmanking |
The ridiculous thing though is that he'd be merely adding another stepping stone. We're no less of a stepping stone than Peterborough.
I would love him to go into Cook's office this morning and say, I'm all in with Town this season, let me train and play alongside Evans, Harper et al. |
If he has a good year there next season, as opposed to a good year here - he will be miles ahead in 12 months time.
He has no real choice but to add another stepping stone if he is to leave, but think people underestimate the difference ine xposure between the 2 leagues - a good season in the second tier and he is an £8m player | |
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 10:44 - Jun 30 with 2243 views | BlueyandCrazy |
Actually I think this is a good move for all parties;
- P'boro have a track record of developing players, buying low and selling high - this fits for them and gets them a Championship level player
- If Downes does well they will not stand in his way for an upward move, whether they remain in the Championship or not
- Town will get a fee for a player who doesn't want to be here plus a sell on | |
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 10:54 - Jun 30 with 2224 views | Kropotkin123 |
What about Mo Eisa coming the other way? 1m plus Mo? Thought he was great the season before last, but barely started last season. |  |
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 11:04 - Jun 30 with 2193 views | MrTown |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 10:42 - Jun 30 by itfcjoe |
I'm hoping he's one that ends up staying - we still want a good fee for him and don't see us achieving that.
Get an arm round his shoulder, and get him back in the fold - we shouldn't cut off our nose to spite our face |
He may stay, but it will be in the u23's. He doesn't want to be here anymore, and when that happens you very rarely ever get the best from a player again.
Cook doesn't take any prisoners, whether you are coming in or out, Cook is very strong minded you either want to be here wholly or not all, not room for in between. | |
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 11:10 - Jun 30 with 2182 views | Steve_M |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 11:04 - Jun 30 by MrTown |
He may stay, but it will be in the u23's. He doesn't want to be here anymore, and when that happens you very rarely ever get the best from a player again.
Cook doesn't take any prisoners, whether you are coming in or out, Cook is very strong minded you either want to be here wholly or not all, not room for in between. |
"He doesn't want to be here anymore, and when that happens you very rarely ever get the best from a player again."
Like with Tyrone Mings and McGoldrick after we turned down bids for them? |  |
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 11:15 - Jun 30 with 2164 views | itfcjoe |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 11:04 - Jun 30 by MrTown |
He may stay, but it will be in the u23's. He doesn't want to be here anymore, and when that happens you very rarely ever get the best from a player again.
Cook doesn't take any prisoners, whether you are coming in or out, Cook is very strong minded you either want to be here wholly or not all, not room for in between. |
There is no way he stays in the U23s, he either stays and comes back in, or will be gone - there's no middle ground.
Plenty of players have come back in from cold under Cook, someone like kal Naismith even went to go on to be one of his trusted lieutenants | |
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 11:25 - Jun 30 with 2122 views | jayessess |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 11:15 - Jun 30 by itfcjoe |
There is no way he stays in the U23s, he either stays and comes back in, or will be gone - there's no middle ground.
Plenty of players have come back in from cold under Cook, someone like kal Naismith even went to go on to be one of his trusted lieutenants |
And there's nothing for Downes to gain by sulking. One season of indifferent form already reduced his options. |  |
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 12:31 - Jun 30 with 2054 views | MrTown |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 11:15 - Jun 30 by itfcjoe |
There is no way he stays in the U23s, he either stays and comes back in, or will be gone - there's no middle ground.
Plenty of players have come back in from cold under Cook, someone like kal Naismith even went to go on to be one of his trusted lieutenants |
Well there is a middle ground, which is where he is right now in pre season. But his agent will be at work trying to get him out of the club, was very quick after close season to inform his desire to leave again.
Players can come in from the cold, but that's generally from disciplinary/attitude reasons. Once a player has shown their desire to leave, and their head as been turned, it is very hard to get that player back on board and back to their best levels. | |
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 12:41 - Jun 30 with 2016 views | jayessess |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 12:31 - Jun 30 by MrTown |
Well there is a middle ground, which is where he is right now in pre season. But his agent will be at work trying to get him out of the club, was very quick after close season to inform his desire to leave again.
Players can come in from the cold, but that's generally from disciplinary/attitude reasons. Once a player has shown their desire to leave, and their head as been turned, it is very hard to get that player back on board and back to their best levels. |
Is it though? Players miss out on transfers and then go about their business as usual, all the time. They have no choice, if you don't play well, no one at a higher placed club is going to be sitting there thinking "oh, Flynn Downes, he's good, he's just not playing well because his head's been turned". Like Crystal Palace have they'll just think, "huh, forms dropped off, ok, let's look at the next guy". [Post edited 30 Jun 2021 12:44]
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 12:50 - Jun 30 with 1995 views | itfcjoe |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 12:31 - Jun 30 by MrTown |
Well there is a middle ground, which is where he is right now in pre season. But his agent will be at work trying to get him out of the club, was very quick after close season to inform his desire to leave again.
Players can come in from the cold, but that's generally from disciplinary/attitude reasons. Once a player has shown their desire to leave, and their head as been turned, it is very hard to get that player back on board and back to their best levels. |
The middle ground isn't going to run in to the season - he's not going to spend a few months playing U23s football | |
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 12:58 - Jun 30 with 1957 views | MrTown |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 12:41 - Jun 30 by jayessess |
Is it though? Players miss out on transfers and then go about their business as usual, all the time. They have no choice, if you don't play well, no one at a higher placed club is going to be sitting there thinking "oh, Flynn Downes, he's good, he's just not playing well because his head's been turned". Like Crystal Palace have they'll just think, "huh, forms dropped off, ok, let's look at the next guy". [Post edited 30 Jun 2021 12:44]
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We don't need to playing players who do not want to be here - it is not beneficial for the football club, it is not beneficial for the culture of the club.
Paul Cook will not accept that kind of mentality around his squad - hence he is with the u23 team. If it were on ability alone he would be with the first team. | |
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 12:59 - Jun 30 with 1954 views | MrTown |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 12:50 - Jun 30 by itfcjoe |
The middle ground isn't going to run in to the season - he's not going to spend a few months playing U23s football |
No you're right, he'll get his move. | |
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 14:08 - Jun 30 with 1899 views | jayessess |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 12:58 - Jun 30 by MrTown |
We don't need to playing players who do not want to be here - it is not beneficial for the football club, it is not beneficial for the culture of the club.
Paul Cook will not accept that kind of mentality around his squad - hence he is with the u23 team. If it were on ability alone he would be with the first team. |
Realistically none of our squad would be here if they had better offers. "Ambitious" is a good mentality for a footballer to have and a good one for the football club to harness up and until the moment he leaves. [Post edited 30 Jun 2021 14:09]
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 14:18 - Jun 30 with 1880 views | Stewart27 |
Peterborough have a history of spotting talent, nurturing and then moving on for a hefty fee. It’s a forward step with how that club is run compared to the car crash we have been. Not now hopefully!
With their history of doing this town should be adding a good sell on clause. | | | |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 14:19 - Jun 30 with 1876 views | MrTown |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 14:08 - Jun 30 by jayessess |
Realistically none of our squad would be here if they had better offers. "Ambitious" is a good mentality for a footballer to have and a good one for the football club to harness up and until the moment he leaves. [Post edited 30 Jun 2021 14:09]
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Absolutely we have to recognise that at a League 1 club, everybody has a price, and everybody would like the opportunity to play higher.
However, when you are contracted to a club, there is way that you should handle yourself, Flynn hasn't done it correctly I'm afraid - although suspect an element of poor advice comes into it. | |
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| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 14:20 - Jun 30 with 1870 views | xrayspecs |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 11:15 - Jun 30 by itfcjoe |
There is no way he stays in the U23s, he either stays and comes back in, or will be gone - there's no middle ground.
Plenty of players have come back in from cold under Cook, someone like kal Naismith even went to go on to be one of his trusted lieutenants |
At best he would be understudy to Evans as the defensive midfielder. He is not a box to box player which is the other central midfield role that Cook seems to fancy. | | | |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 14:32 - Jun 30 with 1826 views | jayessess |
| Downes a top target for Peterborough on 14:19 - Jun 30 by MrTown |
Absolutely we have to recognise that at a League 1 club, everybody has a price, and everybody would like the opportunity to play higher.
However, when you are contracted to a club, there is way that you should handle yourself, Flynn hasn't done it correctly I'm afraid - although suspect an element of poor advice comes into it. |
What is "correctly" in this context? All we know for sure is he put in a transfer request last season, which he's well within his rights to do. | |
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