| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. 10:59 - Jun 30 with 3529 views | Butterbing |
Absolutely loved yesterday but before we all start getting ahead of ourselves. Just a reminder that Ukraine finished top and unbeaten in their qualifying group ahead of Portugal. They drew with Portugal away and beat them at home.
Admittedly they have had a slight downturn in form since then, particularly in the nations league with losses to Germany and Switzerland yet a win against Spain. They have not got off to a great start in the world cup qualifiers with draws against France, Kazakhstan and Finland.
They are a dangerous opponent on their day and it would be so very England to lose against them having beaten Germany.
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| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:05 - Jun 30 with 2958 views | Kropotkin123 |
Any team is potentially dangerous. But rather them than Italy, Belgium, Denmark or Spain at this point. |  |
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| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:10 - Jun 30 with 2909 views | Butterbing |
| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:05 - Jun 30 by Kropotkin123 |
Any team is potentially dangerous. But rather them than Italy, Belgium, Denmark or Spain at this point. |
Yeah, obviously they are an easier opponent than some. However, I've spoken to a few people who seem to assume we are nailed on for the final now. It is not going to be as easy as some people think. | | | |
| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:13 - Jun 30 with 2892 views | BloomBlue |
Trouble is England fans, press etc will write off the Ukraine and any potential SF opponent same as we did with Croatia in the World Cup and we know what happened in that game. Remember all the Croatian players after the game saying they didn't have a better motivation than the fact they had been completely written off by everyone in England and the whole of England were talking about who we would play in the final
People also only need to look at the Switzerland - France game, on paper no way should Switzerland win that game but they did |  | | |
| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:14 - Jun 30 with 2875 views | hoppy |
| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:10 - Jun 30 by Butterbing |
Yeah, obviously they are an easier opponent than some. However, I've spoken to a few people who seem to assume we are nailed on for the final now. It is not going to be as easy as some people think. |
That said, they played a bit later than us, and had the half hour of extra time too and have been travelling more than we have, so won't be quite as refreshed as us by the time of the game. |  |
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| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:18 - Jun 30 with 2840 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:13 - Jun 30 by BloomBlue |
Trouble is England fans, press etc will write off the Ukraine and any potential SF opponent same as we did with Croatia in the World Cup and we know what happened in that game. Remember all the Croatian players after the game saying they didn't have a better motivation than the fact they had been completely written off by everyone in England and the whole of England were talking about who we would play in the final
People also only need to look at the Switzerland - France game, on paper no way should Switzerland win that game but they did |
Yeah, let's just hope the players are more grounded than the press or fans, haha [Post edited 30 Jun 2021 11:18]
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| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:19 - Jun 30 with 2826 views | Butterbing |
| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:13 - Jun 30 by BloomBlue |
Trouble is England fans, press etc will write off the Ukraine and any potential SF opponent same as we did with Croatia in the World Cup and we know what happened in that game. Remember all the Croatian players after the game saying they didn't have a better motivation than the fact they had been completely written off by everyone in England and the whole of England were talking about who we would play in the final
People also only need to look at the Switzerland - France game, on paper no way should Switzerland win that game but they did |
I agree. The whole "It's only Ukraine" thing could be our downfall. Ukraine have a good record recently against bigger sides. | | | |
| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:20 - Jun 30 with 2817 views | Butterbing |
| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:14 - Jun 30 by hoppy |
That said, they played a bit later than us, and had the half hour of extra time too and have been travelling more than we have, so won't be quite as refreshed as us by the time of the game. |
They did look absolutely shattered by the end of that game. | | | |
| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:22 - Jun 30 with 2805 views | Swansea_Blue |
Dangerous? Pah, they couldn't even defend the Crimea  |  |
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| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:24 - Jun 30 with 2795 views | giant_stow |
Personally, I'm bracing for a loss, but hoping for a win. We've been here before so many times, it would be crazy to disregard all that experience. |  |
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| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:24 - Jun 30 with 2794 views | hoppy |
| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:24 - Jun 30 by giant_stow |
Personally, I'm bracing for a loss, but hoping for a win. We've been here before so many times, it would be crazy to disregard all that experience. |
We're talking about England, not Norwich. | |
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| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:32 - Jun 30 with 2751 views | IpswichKnight |
| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:24 - Jun 30 by giant_stow |
Personally, I'm bracing for a loss, but hoping for a win. We've been here before so many times, it would be crazy to disregard all that experience. |
Be confident, they are a good team with a threat on the counter attack they can break quickly and take chances when they come. However they are not quick at the back they don’t defend well against fast wide players and they allow space for wing backs to push up on them.
We are a very hard side to score against and we carry a threat up front. If we play as well as we have been we should be confident that we can win the game. |  | | |
| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:32 - Jun 30 with 2747 views | m14_blue |
It’ll be another close game for sure, and one we could easily lose.
We’ll be favourites but France were favourites against Switzerland and Netherlands against the Czechs. | | | |
| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:37 - Jun 30 with 2711 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:24 - Jun 30 by hoppy |
We're talking about England, not Norwich. |
Maybe we should print some participants t-shirts and book a commiseration open top bus tour, just in case. | |
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| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:41 - Jun 30 with 2687 views | Ryorry |
Underestimating so-called "lesser" opposition to our eventual great cost has so often been our downfall that you'd have thunk *everyone* woulda cottoned on to this danger by now.
It's an additional reason to object to the disrespectful booing of oppositions' national anthems too - I'd have thought it just fires up their players' performances even more.
Not to mention this'll be the first time we've not played at Wembley in front of primarily England fans, & had to travel abroad. |  |
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| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:51 - Jun 30 with 2640 views | clive_baker |
Yep they're a decent side. I would've much rather played Sweden who are more classically European in their play. Ukraine are a bit more of an unknown quantity with a lot of their squad playing in Russia & Ukraine, for Dynamo and Shakhtar.
They look susceptible at the back though, I really think we can have some joy against them if we get at them through Grealish, Foden, Sterling et al. |  |
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| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:55 - Jun 30 with 2608 views | hammo56 |
You only have to look at what happened at Euro 2016 in Nice.
When you get to the knockout stages of a major tournament every opponent is potentially a threat. | | | |
| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:56 - Jun 30 with 2604 views | wkj |
I would say at this point, every team are a danger to one another. While there are clearly teams who rank higher with better players, the likes of the Ukraine and Swiss teams, maybe even England, are operating with a massive sense of belief and fearlessness.
I wouldn't be shocked to see any of the last 8 go all the way to the trophy at this stage - though obviously, it is going to be England. |  |
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| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 12:06 - Jun 30 with 2548 views | vilanovablue |
I don't think Southgate will let this team get carried away. No opponent in the 1/4 final is going to be easy but I'd like to think we are in a reasonable place to get through. |  | | |
| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 12:07 - Jun 30 with 2540 views | Bent_double |
They will pose a threat, and will of course be the underdogs for the game, but they were 2nd best to Sweden for most of the game yesterday, and got some luck with the red card.
It will be a very tight (and possibly not very interesting) game, I'm not going to predict an England win though, as I was convinced Germany would beat us, so happy to say 'Ukraine win' and be wrong.... |  |
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| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 12:08 - Jun 30 with 2539 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Turkey were great in qualifying... |  |
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| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 12:11 - Jun 30 with 2511 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
Agree but all games are hard at this stage.
Denmark worry me, has a real mirror of 1992 about it, unfancied, their start player out of the tournament (all be it for different reasons) plus the motivation of having to contours their first game and doing it for Christian.... but get passed Ukraine 1st one game at a time |  |
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| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 12:56 - Jun 30 with 2419 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 11:14 - Jun 30 by hoppy |
That said, they played a bit later than us, and had the half hour of extra time too and have been travelling more than we have, so won't be quite as refreshed as us by the time of the game. |
This is exactly the same comments as were being made by England fans before the Croatia game. Croatia had played two games with extra time and pens so will be tired. It was England who ran out of juice.
The biggest factor for England is the heat. Rome is likely to be over 30 degrees, Up to now it's been reasonably cool conditions.
Ukraine played their last game in Bucharest where it was humid. They have four days to recover which is enough. |  |
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| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 12:58 - Jun 30 with 2397 views | Ryorry |
| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 12:56 - Jun 30 by The_Last_Baron |
This is exactly the same comments as were being made by England fans before the Croatia game. Croatia had played two games with extra time and pens so will be tired. It was England who ran out of juice.
The biggest factor for England is the heat. Rome is likely to be over 30 degrees, Up to now it's been reasonably cool conditions.
Ukraine played their last game in Bucharest where it was humid. They have four days to recover which is enough. |
I'd be surprised if it's 30C in Rome at 9pm local time. | |
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| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 13:04 - Jun 30 with 2368 views | Guthrum |
I think it's going to be another attritional performance for the first hour, holding onto the ball, keeping Zinchenko quiet, minimising the number of chances allowed, putting more exertion into those legs which did 120 minutes last night. Then hit them with late energy, Phillips, Grealish, Sterling and hopefully a re-boosted Kane.
It's a gameplan which is proving very effective. |  |
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| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 13:07 - Jun 30 with 2350 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Ukraine - potentially a dangerous opponent. on 12:58 - Jun 30 by Ryorry |
I'd be surprised if it's 30C in Rome at 9pm local time. |
Set to be 33C during the day, by then it will be 25C and humid. | |
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