| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? 15:51 - Jul 13 with 4818 views | BlueRaider |
I think we have to make them pariahs, make them socially unacceptable until they can behave like normal people.
- Get really tough on racist posts and comments
- Get really tough on public order offences
For those found guilty
- Remove their passports so they can't travel and embarrass us abroad
- Ban them from being able to buy tickets to events (sport, music, fesitvals etc)
Something also needs to be done about the alcohol culture. It affects people in different ways, most are fine and it makes them more fun and sociable. For me it makes me sleepy and irritable (not violent or abusive), so I don't bother with it. No idea how we go about tackling that though ! |  |
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| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 17:28 - Jul 13 with 1875 views | BlueBadger |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 17:20 - Jul 13 by Ewan_Oozami |
Point of Order, Mr Sealion - I don't think anyone is giving the opinion that the indecent folk outweigh the decent folk in society... |
At the last count, they outnumbered them by 52% to 48. |  |
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| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 17:29 - Jul 13 with 1872 views | BlueBadger |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 17:08 - Jul 13 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
See you there Bluefish - am going with my son, but one of us has to drive!!!. will be a late night whatever happens! Like you though, i might sing a few stupid songs and join in the beer cup snake, but that does not make me a thug, a racist or any sort of bad 'un. |
Whilst you're at it, maybe considering stopping voting for racists and bad 'uns as well. | |
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| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 17:39 - Jul 13 with 1845 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Not sure you can - its all part of the english disease or culture. It's even actively encouraged by the jingoistic media - and rather tellingly during this tournament by our own Prime MInister, Home Secretary and Leader of the House.
Drink is part of the problem - but peoplle get plastered at rugby, cricket and racing and generally dont get violent - so its intrinsically linked to football somehow.
Racism will never go away - and exists in every country. It's deeply ingrained in this country - and again is actively encouraged by right wing politicians. Brexit showed just how huge a problem racism is in this country - I doubt any voted remain - but the fear of soggy immigrants in boats and the mirage of Turkey in the EU showed millions of Brits for what they are.
No easy answer other than education - and hoping that the example set by Gareth Southgate and his admirable group of players will work - but given the reaction of our political leaders and the five years it took to prosecute the killers of Dalian Atkinson - dont hold your breath. | |
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| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 17:42 - Jul 13 with 1834 views | MattinLondon |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 16:49 - Jul 13 by chicoazul |
Once you seize the means of production I’m sure I’ll be first against the wall. |
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| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 17:44 - Jul 13 with 1832 views | MattinLondon |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 16:00 - Jul 13 by noggin |
The British drinking culture is a huge part of the problem. Most of these prlcks don't behave like that when they're sober.Apparently pubs were busy by 9 am on Sunday. I have no idea what you can do about it. |
Unfortunately, most pricks that act like that when drunk also act like that when sober. Not to that extent granted, but I bet most of them are also violent pricks most of the time. | | | |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 18:07 - Jul 13 with 1770 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 17:28 - Jul 13 by BlueBadger |
At the last count, they outnumbered them by 52% to 48. |
Ah, please could you confirm that your 52% to 48% divide refers to the Brexit vote. So if folk voted for Brexit you believe they are indecent, whereas if they voted to remain you believe they are decent.
Please confirm I have this correct. | | | |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 18:08 - Jul 13 with 1795 views | MattinLondon |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 18:07 - Jul 13 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
Ah, please could you confirm that your 52% to 48% divide refers to the Brexit vote. So if folk voted for Brexit you believe they are indecent, whereas if they voted to remain you believe they are decent.
Please confirm I have this correct. |
BlueBadger, if ok by you I’m happy to confirm this on your behalf. [Post edited 13 Jul 2021 18:09]
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| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 19:02 - Jul 13 with 1764 views | BlueBadger |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 18:07 - Jul 13 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
Ah, please could you confirm that your 52% to 48% divide refers to the Brexit vote. So if folk voted for Brexit you believe they are indecent, whereas if they voted to remain you believe they are decent.
Please confirm I have this correct. |
Not everybody who voted for Brexit was racist and stupid, in all fairness. A few were merely stupid. | |
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| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 19:11 - Jul 13 with 1765 views | bluelagos |
I'd simply suggest one step to dealing with racism isn't to vote for people like this, who stir up hatred against footballers like Tyrone Mings.
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| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 19:17 - Jul 13 with 1749 views | jeera |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 19:11 - Jul 13 by bluelagos |
I'd simply suggest one step to dealing with racism isn't to vote for people like this, who stir up hatred against footballers like Tyrone Mings.
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| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 20:27 - Jul 13 with 1725 views | Churchman |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 16:22 - Jul 13 by Darth_Koont |
I think there’s a wider point about our values in society. There’s an accepted ignorance, selfishness, lack of empathy and respect that is going to present itself in a more extreme fashion by a minority.
Until we have politicians and a media who really champion the opposite of those, and put their money where their mouth is to close gaps and heal divisions, then we’ll have a society that expresses itself in this way. |
This is very much where I’m at.
I’ve seen plenty of people agreeing with things like strong action over Covid such as post travel quarantine then ignoring it themselves (my neighbour), and while this is a rubbish example there seems to be a strong element of selfishness in way too many people.
Ignorance fuelled by lager into behaviour which they know is totally unacceptable but they also know there are almost zero consequences. ‘I’ll do wot I like, f off’. ‘I wanna be in the stadium, I’ll get in and if somebody with a legit ticket wants their seat and I’m on it, f ‘em; they can have some’. A do what you like culture, that’s allowed to fester a grow in our society.
It needs to be tackled but I don’t think there’s a will amongst the privileged who run this country to do anything about it. They live in a different world. |  | | |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 21:33 - Jul 13 with 1687 views | blueislander |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 20:27 - Jul 13 by Churchman |
This is very much where I’m at.
I’ve seen plenty of people agreeing with things like strong action over Covid such as post travel quarantine then ignoring it themselves (my neighbour), and while this is a rubbish example there seems to be a strong element of selfishness in way too many people.
Ignorance fuelled by lager into behaviour which they know is totally unacceptable but they also know there are almost zero consequences. ‘I’ll do wot I like, f off’. ‘I wanna be in the stadium, I’ll get in and if somebody with a legit ticket wants their seat and I’m on it, f ‘em; they can have some’. A do what you like culture, that’s allowed to fester a grow in our society.
It needs to be tackled but I don’t think there’s a will amongst the privileged who run this country to do anything about it. They live in a different world. |
Fully in agreement with most of what you say, but how do politicians stop thuggish behaviour? Virtually all politicians on all but the extremes of the spectrum, condemn it. You can argue that some on the right wing are closet racists, but I doubt whether the thugs have any idea, or care what any politician says. Maybe with exception of the Tommy Robinson followers. | | | |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 21:46 - Jul 13 with 1662 views | Darth_Koont |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 21:33 - Jul 13 by blueislander |
Fully in agreement with most of what you say, but how do politicians stop thuggish behaviour? Virtually all politicians on all but the extremes of the spectrum, condemn it. You can argue that some on the right wing are closet racists, but I doubt whether the thugs have any idea, or care what any politician says. Maybe with exception of the Tommy Robinson followers. |
They condemn the extreme, loutish version of course. But they never take responsibility for their dog-whistling.
They need to be seen as accelerants in the same way as we look at a carrier bag of Stella and an abundance of cocaine. |  |
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| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 21:52 - Jul 13 with 1654 views | blueislander |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 21:46 - Jul 13 by Darth_Koont |
They condemn the extreme, loutish version of course. But they never take responsibility for their dog-whistling.
They need to be seen as accelerants in the same way as we look at a carrier bag of Stella and an abundance of cocaine. |
Do you think those involved in the violence and general thuggery on Sunday are aware of what politicians are saying.? I doubt that many of them have an idea of who Priti Patel is. It is largely a sociological rather than political problem IMO. | | | |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 21:57 - Jul 13 with 1645 views | footers |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 21:52 - Jul 13 by blueislander |
Do you think those involved in the violence and general thuggery on Sunday are aware of what politicians are saying.? I doubt that many of them have an idea of who Priti Patel is. It is largely a sociological rather than political problem IMO. |
Part of a sociological problem which the selfsame government has helped to perpetuate.
I think a lot leads back to being without purpose. If your only purpose in life is 3pm Saturday, then all of this becomes such a big deal to you. Craving a sense of identity in 'Englishness'.
Maybe this is trying to explain away the actions of a bunch of morons, but you have to remember large swathes of the country have been left behind for decades and this may just be another unfortunate outlet for that anger. [Post edited 13 Jul 2021 21:58]
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| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 22:34 - Jul 13 with 1611 views | Darth_Koont |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 21:52 - Jul 13 by blueislander |
Do you think those involved in the violence and general thuggery on Sunday are aware of what politicians are saying.? I doubt that many of them have an idea of who Priti Patel is. It is largely a sociological rather than political problem IMO. |
It’s all part of it. And the media is every bit as bad.
But our leadership doesn’t care about people or society. In their warped mind, there’s an individual liberty that will always triumph.
Which is utter bowlocks if you look at human evolutionary biology and how mankind has grown and developed.
Of course for them it’s about themselves and being free to profit. And that’s why far too many of our current politicians and media should be the last people in their positions. | |
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| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 23:02 - Jul 13 with 1575 views | Darth_Koont |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 21:57 - Jul 13 by footers |
Part of a sociological problem which the selfsame government has helped to perpetuate.
I think a lot leads back to being without purpose. If your only purpose in life is 3pm Saturday, then all of this becomes such a big deal to you. Craving a sense of identity in 'Englishness'.
Maybe this is trying to explain away the actions of a bunch of morons, but you have to remember large swathes of the country have been left behind for decades and this may just be another unfortunate outlet for that anger. [Post edited 13 Jul 2021 21:58]
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It’s a good point.
Traveling and living in Europe for the past 3 decades you won’t find as many people left behind as you will in the UK. Sure, southern Europe is bad too but that’s not anything like as intentional.
For a relatively rich country, we’ve developed some strange opinions about society. | |
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| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 23:46 - Jul 13 with 1545 views | Clapham_Junction |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 16:22 - Jul 13 by Darth_Koont |
I think there’s a wider point about our values in society. There’s an accepted ignorance, selfishness, lack of empathy and respect that is going to present itself in a more extreme fashion by a minority.
Until we have politicians and a media who really champion the opposite of those, and put their money where their mouth is to close gaps and heal divisions, then we’ll have a society that expresses itself in this way. |
+1 to this.
IMO it needs to come from the top, and I think the prime reason we seem to have gone backwards over the past 10 years is a governing party that has actively appealed to the worst kind of people rather than condemn them - this combined with the growth of social media has emboldened then to crawl out from under their rocks. |  | | |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 08:38 - Jul 14 with 1438 views | BlueRaider |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 17:28 - Jul 13 by BlueBadger |
At the last count, they outnumbered them by 52% to 48. |
This sort of thing does not help, smearing anyone who voted leave or votes Tory marginalises the majority who vote that way who aren't racist, and gives safe harbour to those who are | |
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| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 11:27 - Jul 14 with 1386 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
It is possible to deal with some of the racists. We should vote them out of office at the next general election. |  |
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| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 12:12 - Jul 14 with 1359 views | noggin |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 11:27 - Jul 14 by Tangledupin_Blue |
It is possible to deal with some of the racists. We should vote them out of office at the next general election. |
But we won't, which asks a very serious question about English values. |  |
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| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 12:38 - Jul 14 with 1331 views | Darth_Koont |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 12:12 - Jul 14 by noggin |
But we won't, which asks a very serious question about English values. |
Exactly. It’s so part of the landscape that even Labour is leaning into islamophobia, anti-traveler rhetoric, and seems to have forgotten its responsibilities to BAME voters with its mixed messages over BLM and the Forde report kicked into the very long grass.
The casualness and lack of responsibility taken among our political and media establishment is absolutely scandalous. | |
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| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 12:40 - Jul 14 with 1323 views | footers |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 16:34 - Jul 13 by footers |
Maybe if we try and talk to them and ask them to stop that might help? If we understood their concerns then it might put an end to it. |
I'm surprised this didn't get more traction. After all, isn't this what the Englightened Centrists have been pushing for when it comes to tackling loons and bigots?
Don't be mean to them, only makes them worse. | |
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| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 12:42 - Jul 14 with 1320 views | noggin |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 12:38 - Jul 14 by Darth_Koont |
Exactly. It’s so part of the landscape that even Labour is leaning into islamophobia, anti-traveler rhetoric, and seems to have forgotten its responsibilities to BAME voters with its mixed messages over BLM and the Forde report kicked into the very long grass.
The casualness and lack of responsibility taken among our political and media establishment is absolutely scandalous. |
It seems though that xenophobic rhetoric is what (a lot of) the public want to hear. [Post edited 14 Jul 2021 12:50]
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| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 12:52 - Jul 14 with 1301 views | Darth_Koont |
| How do we deal with the thugs and racists ? on 12:40 - Jul 14 by footers |
I'm surprised this didn't get more traction. After all, isn't this what the Englightened Centrists have been pushing for when it comes to tackling loons and bigots?
Don't be mean to them, only makes them worse. |
The Enlightened Centrists are just as bad. They’ll tut but then block any attempts to shape and improve society for all.
None of this stuff really affects them. But redistributing wealth and opportunity more equitably certainly would. | |
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