| Portman Road masks 10:31 - Jul 17 with 10755 views | bluelagos |
Hopefully we can keep this civil...
What you think the club should do?
Allow people the choice?
Insist on masks in the stadium?
Insist except when sat down?
Provide mask sections where they are compulsory?
Provide non mask areas?
No easy answers but maybe people can give their views so the club understands what people would like...
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| Portman Road masks on 12:56 - Jul 17 with 1225 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Portman Road masks on 12:49 - Jul 17 by borge |
Forgive me if I am wrong, but I am not sure he's mentioned that he thought there would be no risk attending the game at Wembley.
I made the decision to go because I felt that there were sufficient safeguards in place to minimise my risk. I thought that the safeguards around positive tests or vaccination would be enforced by the powers that be. I also hadn't banked on 5,000 additional idiots turning up. Nor did I envisage that around 90% of the 60,000 with legitinate tickets would ignore all protocols and not bother with masks in areas where they should have done.
Clearly I was a naive fool to have positive expectations of my fellow human beings and hadn't anticipated so few people would exhibit what I view as common decency towards others. Now I am also suffering the consequences.
Your post may not have been intended to be, but it is crass, insensitive and pretty damn patronising, but well done for having such amazing powers of hindsight. |
Sorry you are ill but to believe England fans with drink inside them would follow all the rules is really naive |  | | |
| Portman Road masks on 12:57 - Jul 17 with 1219 views | 26_Paz |
| Portman Road masks on 12:53 - Jul 17 by BlueBadger |
What on earth would pazess someone to be that irresponsible AND selfish? |
It wasn’t me who said that, in fact I described people who do that as ‘idiots’ |  |
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| Portman Road masks on 13:03 - Jul 17 with 1196 views | TractorWood |
| Portman Road masks on 12:22 - Jul 17 by Pinewoodblue |
Can I ask why you thought you could attend games at Wembley without being at risk, or did you just go because you wanted to ignoring the risk? |
My thought process was less binary than that or less than binary than you've positioned your seemingly surly question. I didn't think there would be no risk and at no point do I say I thought there would be no risk. I acknowledged and accepted the objective and probably heightened risk.
There were seemingly robust measures in place like having Covid checks for negative lateral flows, two weeks since double jab or natural immunity through recent infection as a pre condition to attend. The Germany game and semi were comparatively orderly with manageable and ticket holding fans.
Personally I'm in my early 30s and off the back of a decent triathlon season (decent half ironman time last month) with a PB marathon time early this year and am double jabbed with a strong observance of mask wearing. So consider myself low risk.
The issue at Wembley, for the final was the sheer number of ticket less fans and the overwhelmed covid check that wasn't undertaken.
The thing I think will happen in the next few weeks is that vaccinated people will begin to contract delta and realise it's pretty grim. The rhetoric around freedom day and spiralling infection rates, to me, implies the Gov are happy to test the macro effectiveness of the vaccines by reference to mortality rates alone. They accept thousands will get pretty ill. [Post edited 17 Jul 2021 13:13]
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| Portman Road masks on 13:06 - Jul 17 with 1175 views | Trequartista |
| Portman Road masks on 12:52 - Jul 17 by reusersfreekicks |
Let this be a lesson to those who want a full opening without restrictions |
Everyone who entered Wembley should have been vaccinated or provided a negative test, so the lesson is to have proper security when hosting one of the biggest matches this country has ever had, thus preventing hundreds of ticketless superspreaders entering the stadium. [Post edited 17 Jul 2021 13:07]
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| Portman Road masks on 13:08 - Jul 17 with 1153 views | borge |
| Portman Road masks on 12:56 - Jul 17 by reusersfreekicks |
Sorry you are ill but to believe England fans with drink inside them would follow all the rules is really naive |
I don't personally drink and don't get out much so forget just how stupid drunk people (particularly football fans and particularly England football fans) can be. Having been to Wembley quite a few times when it first reopened, I should really have known better. I have to say that whenever I have been to Wembley it has made me realise just how (relatively) well behaved Town fans are, again, a further contributing factor to my naivety.
Like I say, I was naive; I knew there was some risk but simply didn't realise that English society was at such a low ebb..... |  | | |
| Portman Road masks on 13:09 - Jul 17 with 1146 views | StokieBlue |
| Portman Road masks on 13:06 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Everyone who entered Wembley should have been vaccinated or provided a negative test, so the lesson is to have proper security when hosting one of the biggest matches this country has ever had, thus preventing hundreds of ticketless superspreaders entering the stadium. [Post edited 17 Jul 2021 13:07]
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How long before did the negative test have to come from?
I don't think negative tests are much protection really as seen from the number of people contacted after flights which require negative tests to board.
There is a window between test and event after all. I also assume Wembley was only lateral flow and not PCR which is a whole different thing.
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| Portman Road masks on 13:10 - Jul 17 with 1148 views | Trequartista |
Masks in the communal areas and toilets etc and take it off when at your seat, a bit like how restaurants are now. Even if you wanted mask wearing when in your seat that's going to be impossible to enforce similar to getting people to sit down when they are standing. [Post edited 17 Jul 2021 13:11]
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| Portman Road masks on 13:12 - Jul 17 with 1138 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Portman Road masks on 13:03 - Jul 17 by TractorWood |
My thought process was less binary than that or less than binary than you've positioned your seemingly surly question. I didn't think there would be no risk and at no point do I say I thought there would be no risk. I acknowledged and accepted the objective and probably heightened risk.
There were seemingly robust measures in place like having Covid checks for negative lateral flows, two weeks since double jab or natural immunity through recent infection as a pre condition to attend. The Germany game and semi were comparatively orderly with manageable and ticket holding fans.
Personally I'm in my early 30s and off the back of a decent triathlon season (decent half ironman time last month) with a PB marathon time early this year and am double jabbed with a strong observance of mask wearing. So consider myself low risk.
The issue at Wembley, for the final was the sheer number of ticket less fans and the overwhelmed covid check that wasn't undertaken.
The thing I think will happen in the next few weeks is that vaccinated people will begin to contract delta and realise it's pretty grim. The rhetoric around freedom day and spiralling infection rates, to me, implies the Gov are happy to test the macro effectiveness of the vaccines by reference to mortality rates alone. They accept thousands will get pretty ill. [Post edited 17 Jul 2021 13:13]
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Think that last bit is 100% right. We, collectively and individually, need to take on the responsibility which government have abdicated from.
As I might add have a lot of businesses when they decide to leave the decision to staff and customers. |  |
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| Portman Road masks on 13:16 - Jul 17 with 1125 views | Trequartista |
| Portman Road masks on 13:09 - Jul 17 by StokieBlue |
How long before did the negative test have to come from?
I don't think negative tests are much protection really as seen from the number of people contacted after flights which require negative tests to board.
There is a window between test and event after all. I also assume Wembley was only lateral flow and not PCR which is a whole different thing.
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I'm not sure on that, a negative test is not a guarantee and nor is double vaccination, but the previous trial events that included indoor events went very well, with the caveat that this was before the delta variant took hold. | |
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| Portman Road masks on 13:16 - Jul 17 with 1121 views | borge |
| Portman Road masks on 13:09 - Jul 17 by StokieBlue |
How long before did the negative test have to come from?
I don't think negative tests are much protection really as seen from the number of people contacted after flights which require negative tests to board.
There is a window between test and event after all. I also assume Wembley was only lateral flow and not PCR which is a whole different thing.
SB [Post edited 17 Jul 2021 13:10]
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Indeed, lateral flow tests and you effectively self-certificate with them. Nothing to stop you saying your test is negative when it is positive and in fact, nothing to say your test is negative without actually doing one. I am feeling more naive by the minute..... | | | |
| Portman Road masks on 13:23 - Jul 17 with 1107 views | TractorWood |
| Portman Road masks on 13:09 - Jul 17 by StokieBlue |
How long before did the negative test have to come from?
I don't think negative tests are much protection really as seen from the number of people contacted after flights which require negative tests to board.
There is a window between test and event after all. I also assume Wembley was only lateral flow and not PCR which is a whole different thing.
SB [Post edited 17 Jul 2021 13:10]
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I think most unvaccinated people showed the negative LF text message that was taken within 48 hours prior to kickoff.
Most people either used that or the vaccine proof app. I downloaded the letter from app so it wasn't contingent on signal. Good system when observed properly and not a screenshot of your mate.
Other option was natural immunity from previous infection. Which frankly, I didn't really understand or need to engage with.
This measure was well observed for the Germany game and the semi. The final however was a comparative farce. With thousands of ticket less, drunk and drugged fans everywhere in London but mostly on Wembley way for hours before kick off. No masks in sight. Huge super spreader event. | |
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| Portman Road masks on 13:33 - Jul 17 with 1085 views | SitfcB |
| Portman Road masks on 13:06 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Everyone who entered Wembley should have been vaccinated or provided a negative test, so the lesson is to have proper security when hosting one of the biggest matches this country has ever had, thus preventing hundreds of ticketless superspreaders entering the stadium. [Post edited 17 Jul 2021 13:07]
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Yes but it was silly because you got the choice to enter a positive or negative result! Didn’t even have to do the test to register it. |  |
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| Portman Road masks on 13:37 - Jul 17 with 1079 views | tractorshark |
Personally, I think we’re lifting some restrictions like mask-wearing too soon, although I accept we have to make a step back to normality.
But I have no problem with wearing a mask at Portman Road if it in any way allows us to keep watching football. Surely anything that helps us return to normal day-to-day activities is worth pursuing.
Sadly, the government advice is so wishy-washy that it will just be ignored and no masks will be worn. Until, of course, we can’t control the virus in late September and October and the stadiums are partially or fully closed.
I am tired of telling people the wearing of masks isn’t about you. You may feel invincible but others clearly aren’t. You are potentially putting their lives at risk.
And while you may think it’s only happening to other people, it’s just a matter of time before something lands on your doorstep.
Unfortunately, right now, we live in a selfish society fuelled by the hate, hypocrisy and hysteria of social media. | | | |
| Portman Road masks on 13:37 - Jul 17 with 1083 views | MerseyBlue |
First and foremost, everyone needs to respect those with exemption. There will a small minority of people who abuse this system, but their selfish actions shouldn't sully the name of people who genuinely need exemption.
I don't care what our self-serving, duplicitous government says, mask wearing in enclosed spaces should continue to be compulsory. With that in mind, I would want the club to insist on masks in enlosed areas. It shouldn't be down to them, but as our government have shown themselves to be feeble minded populists time and time again, it is what it is.
My personal take on what should happen in the stands is that reduced crowds should be implemented. I highly doubt this happens as Boris has lifted the lid on all of these kinds of restrictions, but 30,000 people sat shoulder-to-shoulder, without a mask cannot be conducive to public health, regardless of being outside. As things are, I expect attendance will be somewhere over 20,000 at the first game, so there will most likely be plenty of less populated spots for folk like me (who don't have a season ticket) to spread out in. My concern is for season ticket holders, particularly in the Sir Bobby, who won't have much of a choice. As much as it will be unpopular with many on here, with no real way of policing it - I do believe that if you are sat next to someone from outside your household, you should wear a mask.
I understand that a lot of people want to rip off the plaster, and get back to things exactly as they were before, but when you think about what you're risking, and what the pay off is, then doesn't it just seem entirely superficial and unimportant? I love to make some noise and cheer the team on from the Sir Bobby normally, but that really doesn't seem important or advisable given the figures we're confronted with at the moment. You can go to the football again, which is great, but with that comes the need to be more careful, at least for the time being. [Post edited 17 Jul 2021 13:40]
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| Portman Road masks on 13:40 - Jul 17 with 1062 views | Trequartista |
| Portman Road masks on 13:33 - Jul 17 by SitfcB |
Yes but it was silly because you got the choice to enter a positive or negative result! Didn’t even have to do the test to register it. |
Ridiculous if true - another flaw in the security procedure. | |
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| Portman Road masks on 13:40 - Jul 17 with 1064 views | noggin |
| Portman Road masks on 13:33 - Jul 17 by SitfcB |
Yes but it was silly because you got the choice to enter a positive or negative result! Didn’t even have to do the test to register it. |
This from the boy who will definitely not be wearing a mask from Monday and, if necessary, will purchase a ticket stating falsely, that he's exempt. |  |
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| Portman Road masks on 13:42 - Jul 17 with 1053 views | StokieBlue |
| Portman Road masks on 13:16 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
I'm not sure on that, a negative test is not a guarantee and nor is double vaccination, but the previous trial events that included indoor events went very well, with the caveat that this was before the delta variant took hold. |
Which is a huge caveat given we are looking at an increase in R from about 3.5 to >7.
It could be argued it renders the previous indoor event studies redundant in many ways.
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| Portman Road masks on 13:45 - Jul 17 with 1041 views | StokieBlue |
| Portman Road masks on 13:23 - Jul 17 by TractorWood |
I think most unvaccinated people showed the negative LF text message that was taken within 48 hours prior to kickoff.
Most people either used that or the vaccine proof app. I downloaded the letter from app so it wasn't contingent on signal. Good system when observed properly and not a screenshot of your mate.
Other option was natural immunity from previous infection. Which frankly, I didn't really understand or need to engage with.
This measure was well observed for the Germany game and the semi. The final however was a comparative farce. With thousands of ticket less, drunk and drugged fans everywhere in London but mostly on Wembley way for hours before kick off. No masks in sight. Huge super spreader event. |
And that's the exact issue, 48 hours is a long time with plenty of opportunities in which to contact and contract the infection assuming the LF test was correctly done and accurate in the first place.
Natural immunity is a weird one given the data on that is that it fluctuates hugely from person to person and isn't as robust as the vaccine based immunity.
The final sounds horrible.
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| Portman Road masks on 14:32 - Jul 17 with 973 views | Trequartista |
| Portman Road masks on 13:42 - Jul 17 by StokieBlue |
Which is a huge caveat given we are looking at an increase in R from about 3.5 to >7.
It could be argued it renders the previous indoor event studies redundant in many ways.
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I would agree with that re:indoor events - that was a bit of a red herring from me there as we were discussing Wembley.
I think the transmissibility for outdoor events has gone from "highly unlikely" to "unlikely" with the new variant, so if negative tests / proof of vax are added to the equation as they were in the test events, there won't be a big spread. | |
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| Portman Road masks on 15:34 - Jul 17 with 922 views | BlueBadger |
| Portman Road masks on 12:14 - Jul 17 by Nazemariner |
The way I see it, is that you have two options. You either believe what your government tells you, albeit with a little trepidation, or you wear a tin hit. |
What if the governemt has a proven record for lying, corruption and incompetence though? |  |
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| Portman Road masks on 16:05 - Jul 17 with 877 views | BlueBadger |
| Portman Road masks on 11:50 - Jul 17 by Nazemariner |
The only feasible way to go about it is to give people the choice.
The club has the final call, but if the government (science based) say that a mask is not required, then it will make it very difficult to enforce compulsory mask wearing.
Realistically, if you are so concerned about the wearing of masks, then you probably should be staying away.
For the record. I will wear a mask, but probably slip it off quite frequently when it starts to get annoying. [Post edited 17 Jul 2021 11:54]
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The government haven't been science-based for about 12 months now.
Put your mask on and keep it on. | |
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| Not sure at this rate we’re going to get fans in stadiums…. on 16:44 - Jul 17 with 853 views | unstableblue |
…. Or perhaps at reduced attendance so masks in seats become less important
Covid is raging it seems to me
So many people we know with it, or kids in bed with it, and hence friend/family groups isolating
Can’t see opening up from Monday will last more than a few weeks
Especially with the recent report on long term tissue damage from Covid even in young
Hope I’m completely wrong… but look at Holland
Just cause the Mail and Tory backbenchers think herd immunity has to be the way forward… doesn’t mean that is going to work
Desperate for us to get back to a full PR
Hope my pessimism is misplaced.
Certainly if we do make it to August 7th with no policy change I’d wear mask in concourses and no mask I’m seat |  |
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| Portman Road masks on 16:45 - Jul 17 with 848 views | BlueBadger |
| Portman Road masks on 13:37 - Jul 17 by tractorshark |
Personally, I think we’re lifting some restrictions like mask-wearing too soon, although I accept we have to make a step back to normality.
But I have no problem with wearing a mask at Portman Road if it in any way allows us to keep watching football. Surely anything that helps us return to normal day-to-day activities is worth pursuing.
Sadly, the government advice is so wishy-washy that it will just be ignored and no masks will be worn. Until, of course, we can’t control the virus in late September and October and the stadiums are partially or fully closed.
I am tired of telling people the wearing of masks isn’t about you. You may feel invincible but others clearly aren’t. You are potentially putting their lives at risk.
And while you may think it’s only happening to other people, it’s just a matter of time before something lands on your doorstep.
Unfortunately, right now, we live in a selfish society fuelled by the hate, hypocrisy and hysteria of social media. |
You appear to have spelt 'fuelled by people with Very Real Concerns and the government they voted in' wrongly there. | |
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| Portman Road masks on 16:54 - Jul 17 with 833 views | nodge_blue |
I would prefer that there was as much distancing of seats as possible. But I doubt that will happen now given people have bought their seats. I don't really want to sit directly next to someone for 2 hours. |  |
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