| Cook on training 19:52 - Jul 29 with 7212 views | fergalsharkey |
Great to hear cook say that during a closed week last season he could'nt even get two hard days training consecutively out of half the players.
I heard this at the time and thats where Dozzell , Bishop, Judge, Edwards and Jackson sealed their fate at this club.
Jackson will go for peanuts. |  |
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| Cook on training on 07:02 - Jul 30 with 2046 views | Hullblue |
| Cook on training on 23:11 - Jul 29 by Vic |
Listen to Cooks comments. He said that it was the physio’s that said they couldn’t do it again because the players were breaking down. |
Yeah, that’s why I think it’s harsh to call them pathetic. They didn’t ask to break down!
Also think it was a bit harsh to let Bishop go. A couple of the others were borderline but we’ve replaced them with real quality so it’s difficult to see us regretting it. |  |
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| Cook on training on 07:10 - Jul 30 with 2037 views | itfcjoe |
| Cook on training on 22:32 - Jul 29 by BryanPlug |
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That isn’t the case, Edwards was offered a 2 year deal, you don’t do that to someone you want to sell. Totally different to taking an option up on someone |  |
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| Cook on training on 07:27 - Jul 30 with 1994 views | gordon |
Isn't this an indictment of the way the medical & fitness aspects of the club had been run? I don't really understand how/why so many fans seem to want to blame the playing squad for the way Evans ran ITFC. |  | | |
| Cook on training on 08:16 - Jul 30 with 1925 views | chrismakin |
| Cook on training on 07:27 - Jul 30 by gordon |
Isn't this an indictment of the way the medical & fitness aspects of the club had been run? I don't really understand how/why so many fans seem to want to blame the playing squad for the way Evans ran ITFC. |
Whilst I get where you're coming from, IF PC gets heat for not doing enough with them despite the way Evans ran ITFC and it's effect on the playing squad... then why shouldn't the players have heat for not doing enough themselves.... If as high level players they don't feel fit enough and the club aren't doing enough... go get it yourself, put your own hours in, use the fitness equipment, get in the gym etc, seek a PT etc. |  |
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| Cook on training on 08:30 - Jul 30 with 1895 views | itfcjoe |
| Cook on training on 08:16 - Jul 30 by chrismakin |
Whilst I get where you're coming from, IF PC gets heat for not doing enough with them despite the way Evans ran ITFC and it's effect on the playing squad... then why shouldn't the players have heat for not doing enough themselves.... If as high level players they don't feel fit enough and the club aren't doing enough... go get it yourself, put your own hours in, use the fitness equipment, get in the gym etc, seek a PT etc. |
Because the players have conditioning and programmes given to them by the club for the level of fitness the manager requires.
How do you think Andy Rolls would feel currently, when he has built programmes for the players, if they were off doing PT sessions in the afternoon? He'd be furious, because there is a reason why he isn't building them into their programmes.
Players have to trust the club to get them fit, they have to work with the fitness professionals at the club, and they have to ensure they are hitting the standards required - if those standards change do different measures then it will take them time to adapt.
It is the number 1 new manager trope - the players aren't fit enough - everyone says it | |
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| Cook on training on 08:36 - Jul 30 with 1882 views | chrismakin |
| Cook on training on 08:30 - Jul 30 by itfcjoe |
Because the players have conditioning and programmes given to them by the club for the level of fitness the manager requires.
How do you think Andy Rolls would feel currently, when he has built programmes for the players, if they were off doing PT sessions in the afternoon? He'd be furious, because there is a reason why he isn't building them into their programmes.
Players have to trust the club to get them fit, they have to work with the fitness professionals at the club, and they have to ensure they are hitting the standards required - if those standards change do different measures then it will take them time to adapt.
It is the number 1 new manager trope - the players aren't fit enough - everyone says it |
"Because the players have conditioning and programmes given to them by the club for the level of fitness the manager requires".
Whilst true, there were plenty of players who weren't given any programmes to abide by. There were also some who did and ignored them and some who were half ar$ed about it all.
"It is the number 1 new manager trope - the players aren't fit enough - everyone says it"
Some may just say it, however ours was very obvious that it wasn't just a saying.
Again, clearly we all know off the pitch wasn't set up correctly. But if you're going to give 1 person heat, give them all heat as they all take responsiblity - Take chambers.... fitness wise, top notch, why? because he looked after himself. He knew what he had to do for himself. | |
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| Cook on training on 08:53 - Jul 30 with 1854 views | itfcjoe |
| Cook on training on 08:36 - Jul 30 by chrismakin |
"Because the players have conditioning and programmes given to them by the club for the level of fitness the manager requires".
Whilst true, there were plenty of players who weren't given any programmes to abide by. There were also some who did and ignored them and some who were half ar$ed about it all.
"It is the number 1 new manager trope - the players aren't fit enough - everyone says it"
Some may just say it, however ours was very obvious that it wasn't just a saying.
Again, clearly we all know off the pitch wasn't set up correctly. But if you're going to give 1 person heat, give them all heat as they all take responsiblity - Take chambers.... fitness wise, top notch, why? because he looked after himself. He knew what he had to do for himself. |
If the players aren't doing their programmes, are ignoring them and aren't fit enough then the club should be doing something about that.
Football players are football players, they aren't trained nutritionists, or conditioning coaches, they need to be helped by the people who are paid money to help them. Every single one of us on this board could get 'fit', could eat right and could do what is required to be footballer fit - but we would all do it in a different way, we would all get to different levels of fitness because we would all likely pick things we enjoy doing as opposed t the right things some times.
Someone like Chambers obviously knows his body well enough to keep himself fitter than most, but he may have genetics and body that can be kept ticking over by just running every morning through pre season. Others will need to get out and do proper weight programmes to keep things off as don't burn it away as quickly. It's not one size fits all to get them to peak fitness. Someone like teddy Bishop works incredibly hard in the gym, always has done - but he can only do what he thinks is right, if it isn't then it's not about how hard you work.
Also - and most importantly - this was the tail end of probably the most gruelling season in history - we'd just played 5 back to back midweek games for that week. Every other club in the country would just be ticking over at that point - just tuning up as and when required - you couldn't get more fitness into the legs at that point. | |
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| [Redacted] on 08:55 - Jul 30 with 1841 views | victorywilhappen |
| Cook on training on 07:27 - Jul 30 by gordon |
Isn't this an indictment of the way the medical & fitness aspects of the club had been run? I don't really understand how/why so many fans seem to want to blame the playing squad for the way Evans ran ITFC. |
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| Cook on training on 08:59 - Jul 30 with 1811 views | StirlingArcher |
| Cook on training on 20:39 - Jul 29 by The_Romford_Blue |
The same people were content with Evans because he was funding the losses. It’s a losing mentality.
This is a fresh start now though. HMS Buy The League |
Some of us were happy that we were still in existence, not bankrupt etc
but weren't happy about the rest of it...
yet we got labelled happy clappers even though we wanted core change |  | | |
| Cook on training on 09:00 - Jul 30 with 1802 views | Vic |
| Cook on training on 07:02 - Jul 30 by Hullblue |
Yeah, that’s why I think it’s harsh to call them pathetic. They didn’t ask to break down!
Also think it was a bit harsh to let Bishop go. A couple of the others were borderline but we’ve replaced them with real quality so it’s difficult to see us regretting it. |
I don’t disagree. But what disappointed me was the seeming inability (which some have called unwillingness) of the players to adapt to a new managers style. At times they just didn’t seem to be putting everything 8nto it and were simply getting out played and outmuscled by teams with obviously better fitness levels. It’s appalling that the fitness staff and manager didn’t address this before Cook was appointed.
With regards to the players let go - I still don’t know what went on and why Cook felt it was best if they all went. Part of me wonders if he was just impatient and annoyed and what he perceived as a bad attitude within the club; part of me assumes he assessed the players like Dozz, Bishop, Downes to just be not good enough. It’s a strange one. Time will tell! |  |
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| Cook on training on 09:05 - Jul 30 with 1774 views | jayessess |
I'm not sure what's "great to hear" about this? We've known for a long time what Cook felt about last season, so I'm not sure why it's necessary to re-litigate it all again. |  |
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| Cook on training on 09:09 - Jul 30 with 1758 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Cook on training on 19:59 - Jul 29 by Keaneish |
Edwards was offered a new deal at the end of last season; he opted for Wigan instead. |
Solely to get a fee, not a chance he'd have made Cook's squad! |  |
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| Cook on training on 09:11 - Jul 30 with 1749 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Cook on training on 09:00 - Jul 30 by Vic |
I don’t disagree. But what disappointed me was the seeming inability (which some have called unwillingness) of the players to adapt to a new managers style. At times they just didn’t seem to be putting everything 8nto it and were simply getting out played and outmuscled by teams with obviously better fitness levels. It’s appalling that the fitness staff and manager didn’t address this before Cook was appointed.
With regards to the players let go - I still don’t know what went on and why Cook felt it was best if they all went. Part of me wonders if he was just impatient and annoyed and what he perceived as a bad attitude within the club; part of me assumes he assessed the players like Dozz, Bishop, Downes to just be not good enough. It’s a strange one. Time will tell! |
When you break it down, I don't think the number of players leaving or being told to leave is baffling at all. Cook knows exactly what he wants and those left are the ones that fit his style of play.
We had a lot of natural wastage (likes of Ward, Hawkins, Drinan, Huws) that I don't think anyone questions. Dozzell and Bishop despite being decent players don't have a role in his high intensity 4-2-3-1 - I remember post Pompey last season Bishop being interviewed and he seemed bemused by what he was being asked to do. A Flynn Downes with his head right is a player PC would want here I am sure but it seems that ship has sailed. |  | | |
| [Redacted] on 09:15 - Jul 30 with 1726 views | victorywilhappen |
| Cook on training on 09:05 - Jul 30 by jayessess |
I'm not sure what's "great to hear" about this? We've known for a long time what Cook felt about last season, so I'm not sure why it's necessary to re-litigate it all again. |
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| Cook on training on 09:15 - Jul 30 with 1725 views | jayessess |
| Cook on training on 09:09 - Jul 30 by Wallingford_Boy |
Solely to get a fee, not a chance he'd have made Cook's squad! |
Why won't this myth die?
Clubs and players don't deliberately agree new contracts to facilitate a sale. It never happens. If we offered Edwards a contract it's because Paul Cook wanted him in his squad. | |
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| Cook on training on 10:26 - Jul 30 with 1645 views | itfcjoe |
| Cook on training on 09:15 - Jul 30 by jayessess |
Why won't this myth die?
Clubs and players don't deliberately agree new contracts to facilitate a sale. It never happens. If we offered Edwards a contract it's because Paul Cook wanted him in his squad. |
"Hey Gwion, sign this contract so you will not only earn less at your next club when we have no intention of playing you - but we can also control exactly where you are going to go as well" | |
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| Cook on training on 10:37 - Jul 30 with 1617 views | timothyeo |
| Cook on training on 09:15 - Jul 30 by jayessess |
Why won't this myth die?
Clubs and players don't deliberately agree new contracts to facilitate a sale. It never happens. If we offered Edwards a contract it's because Paul Cook wanted him in his squad. |
Yeah, no idea why this keeps coming up. We wanted to keep him.
Anyway, the Cook training is nothing new. Whenever a manager takes over and doesn't get instant results it's an easy accusation to throw that no-one can really disprove. | | | |
| Cook on training on 11:01 - Jul 30 with 1562 views | Pencilpete |
Whilst i'm sure the training had a lot to do with it, the other thing all 3 touched on last night was EFFORT - we will leave no stone unturned in our persuit of success
how many times last season did we see the towel get thrown in on the pitch .... Wimbledon and Northampton both immediately spring to mind ... but Fleetwood and Gillingham weren't great either
I can take losing, everyone loses sometimes but the minimum supporters, owners, managers should expect is effort - if you throw the towel in then i don't want them here it's as simple as that.
It seems thats the same for Paul Cook ..... | | | |
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