| Brexit just keeps on giving.... 09:04 - Aug 25 with 8650 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
No McDonald's milkshake, pigs in blankets and even gammon is running out!
The World just got a little bit better.
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| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 14:53 - Aug 25 with 2960 views | leitrimblue |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 11:55 - Aug 25 by Eireannach_gorm |
'even gammon is running out'  |
Never gonna happen Gorm, pretty sure the UK government has secret underground warehouses full of gammon. Just in case.... |  | | |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 15:06 - Aug 25 with 2937 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 14:05 - Aug 25 by lowhouseblue |
i'm struggling to see how you can present the remainer strategy following the referendum result as a success. in parliament, and supported whole heartedly by people like you, they produced a final outcome which was far worse than could have been achieved by accepting the result and backing may. they also gave boris a stonking great majority. the belief that they were going to change the referendum outcome rates as one the biggest most delusional failings in recent political history. and you thing i'm the myopic one. jeez. |
After the referendum loss, the various Remain strategies were always going to fail in the short term - even if Remain had won the referendum, there would still have been pressure for another one, and another one, until the UK would eventually vote to leave - the Big Money was always behind Brexit, and wasn't going to give up.
The hard Brexit we have is by necessity gradually being softened, small step by small step to reduce the consequential social and economic impacts, I reckon we will spend the next 10 years trying to get back a lot of what we lost when we left the EU.....and it will cost the UK many billions more than if we had still been members of the EU...
The Remainers should have played the long game.... |  |
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| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 15:07 - Aug 25 with 2936 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 14:16 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
Again, it's the same one-sided narrative from you that you've been peddling for years. I disagree with your myopic take. |
I said at the time that remainer MP's were gambling on defeating May's deal and forcing a second referendum, whilst the ERG and hardline brexiteer MP's were gambling on defeating May's deal and crashing out of the EU with "No Deal".
Both sides lost. and we are where we are.
Stephen Kinnock was on the money btw.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/06/kinnock-says-corbyn-should-orde |  |
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| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 15:12 - Aug 25 with 2927 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 10:47 - Aug 25 by Swansea_Blue |
Double whammy on this one isn't it. As a result of Brexit, but not inevitable if they weren't embarking on their hostile environment to foreigners. They could easily add HGV drivers to the list of priority workers allowing EU drivers to temporarily fill the gap while we trained more UK drivers.
I suspect they will u-turn, as they usually do. They need to be seen to keep the swivel-eyed loons in the ERG happy on one level, but reality will force their hand. |
There is a shortage of .hGV drivers in Europe. |  |
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| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 15:14 - Aug 25 with 2924 views | lowhouseblue |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 15:07 - Aug 25 by GlasgowBlue |
I said at the time that remainer MP's were gambling on defeating May's deal and forcing a second referendum, whilst the ERG and hardline brexiteer MP's were gambling on defeating May's deal and crashing out of the EU with "No Deal".
Both sides lost. and we are where we are.
Stephen Kinnock was on the money btw.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/06/kinnock-says-corbyn-should-orde |
yes stephen kinnock was spot on. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 15:17 - Aug 25 with 2907 views | BlueBadger |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 13:29 - Aug 25 by Lord_Lucan |
I largely agree, but the idea of taking no deal off the table is arguably the most idiotic idea I have ever heard in my sad sorry life.
I mean, it's almost as stupid as evacuating the army from the country you are occupying before evacuating the civilians. [Post edited 25 Aug 2021 13:33]
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No deal as negotiation tactic makes no sense though. It's basically saying 'if you don't give what I want, I'll drive my car into the river'. |  |
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| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 15:46 - Aug 25 with 2874 views | Darth_Koont |
“Brexit isn’t the problem, it’s HOW we left”
I can see that being the refrain for years. |  |
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| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 15:56 - Aug 25 with 2853 views | Herbivore |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 15:46 - Aug 25 by Darth_Koont |
“Brexit isn’t the problem, it’s HOW we left”
I can see that being the refrain for years. |
There's a kernel of truth there, though. Leaving in any form was always worse than remaining, however had we retained membership of the single market and customs union that would have significantly limited the damage too us economically and politically. |  |
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| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 16:26 - Aug 25 with 2821 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 15:17 - Aug 25 by BlueBadger |
No deal as negotiation tactic makes no sense though. It's basically saying 'if you don't give what I want, I'll drive my car into the river'. |
Nonsense, and why should Barnier care if you drive your car into the river.
If you went into a car showroom would you say "I am going to haggle with you on the price of this vehicle but you should be aware that the company I work for have insisted that I buy it"
Tell ya what, I won't tell you how to drive an ambulance if you stay away from business deals. |  |
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| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 16:31 - Aug 25 with 2818 views | Mullet |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 13:07 - Aug 25 by lowhouseblue |
yes if only may's deal had been supported and people hadn't undermined it in the naive pursuit of a second referendum. parliament had a far better deal within its grasp. |
The ERG and associated bastards had tax not to pay though. So it was always going to happen once they’d got their claws into things. |  |
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| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 16:43 - Aug 25 with 2804 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 16:31 - Aug 25 by Mullet |
The ERG and associated bastards had tax not to pay though. So it was always going to happen once they’d got their claws into things. |
The ERG number less than 25 MP’s. The are 650 MP’s sitting in the commons. Pre December 2019 there was a remain majority in the commons. They could have defeated the ERG and supported the May deal.
When May’s deal was defeated she even gave the commons a chance to vote in a course of action that could command a majority. I think there were six or seven options put forward but our elected representatives couldn’t agree amongst themselves which one to support. | |
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| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 16:59 - Aug 25 with 2783 views | Mullet |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 16:43 - Aug 25 by GlasgowBlue |
The ERG number less than 25 MP’s. The are 650 MP’s sitting in the commons. Pre December 2019 there was a remain majority in the commons. They could have defeated the ERG and supported the May deal.
When May’s deal was defeated she even gave the commons a chance to vote in a course of action that could command a majority. I think there were six or seven options put forward but our elected representatives couldn’t agree amongst themselves which one to support. |
It’s who they represent GB. The whole of the British establishment is dancing to the tune played by very few and they even more brazen than ever. With the amount of money and power at stake we’re never going to see those people walk away from it.
The corruption is trickled down across those morally redundant enough to join in, it makes us look as weak and backward as many failed nations of the previous century. | |
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| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 17:10 - Aug 25 with 2759 views | BlueBadger |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 16:26 - Aug 25 by Lord_Lucan |
Nonsense, and why should Barnier care if you drive your car into the river.
If you went into a car showroom would you say "I am going to haggle with you on the price of this vehicle but you should be aware that the company I work for have insisted that I buy it"
Tell ya what, I won't tell you how to drive an ambulance if you stay away from business deals. |
But the car dealer will still be able to sell the car to someone else. And the next dealership is 200 miles away. And you'll be out of a job because they wouldn't sell it to you for less than cost, which is what you were trying to negotiate. And then you wilfully shat your own pants on the way out, just to show them. [Post edited 25 Aug 2021 17:13]
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| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 17:13 - Aug 25 with 2741 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 17:10 - Aug 25 by BlueBadger |
But the car dealer will still be able to sell the car to someone else. And the next dealership is 200 miles away. And you'll be out of a job because they wouldn't sell it to you for less than cost, which is what you were trying to negotiate. And then you wilfully shat your own pants on the way out, just to show them. [Post edited 25 Aug 2021 17:13]
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I agree with everything you say.
That should draw a line under it, I'll get back to work now | |
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| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 17:17 - Aug 25 with 2729 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
Well I have gammon and chips (no egg) followed by a milkshake for tea, or is it dinner; |  | | |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 17:19 - Aug 25 with 2727 views | leitrimblue |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 17:10 - Aug 25 by BlueBadger |
But the car dealer will still be able to sell the car to someone else. And the next dealership is 200 miles away. And you'll be out of a job because they wouldn't sell it to you for less than cost, which is what you were trying to negotiate. And then you wilfully shat your own pants on the way out, just to show them. [Post edited 25 Aug 2021 17:13]
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Or, grower of high quality weed- 'i have the highest grade girl scout cookies, yours for a special Mates rates price of 5 grand a kilo, you can take all 10 kilo for 50 Grand if you want?' (The UK) 'give it to me for 30 grand or i will cut my nose off'. (Weed grower) ' your a feck1n moron, never darken my door again' | | | |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 18:14 - Aug 25 with 2673 views | HARRY10 |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 13:29 - Aug 25 by Lord_Lucan |
I largely agree, but the idea of taking no deal off the table is arguably the most idiotic idea I have ever heard in my sad sorry life.
I mean, it's almost as stupid as evacuating the army from the country you are occupying before evacuating the civilians. [Post edited 25 Aug 2021 13:33]
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h ?
'no deal' was NEVER on the table - the EU knew just as the UK knew it was not a feasible negotiating chip
Without a deal, the UK would have had to default to WTO rules, which even a cursory glance at would have told you that would be economic suicide,
That is why NO, I repeat NO, other countries * trade solely under WTO rules as you appear to be wanting. Countries have preferential trade arrangements and trade defence measures with neighbouring countries and are members of localised trading blocs.
The idea that UK would willingly join pariah states such as N. Korea and Iran and be at the whim of every tin pot country is patently absurd - which is why the nonsense was dropped.
Of course, incidents like this will continue to flare up, highlighting the sheer stupidity of the belief that you can isolate one country from progress and have it turn inward. However, the sad reality is that the UK will adapt, as manufacturing moves out along with investment. Barriers, costs and delays will make business in the UK less competitive.
There will be no levelling up. Just as there was never going to be a 'free for all' for UK fishermen, or hordes of red wall brexiteers flocking south to fill the vacancies left by naughty 'job stealing' foreigners. Remember the much trumpeted 'pick for Britain' campaign rolled out by the Tories, which was quietly dropped a few weeks later ?
Brexiteers will continue to whine, continue to make excuses (lies) and continue to claim it is all someone else's fault ........................... that they, errr.... voted for Brexit.
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| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 18:37 - Aug 25 with 2652 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 18:14 - Aug 25 by HARRY10 |
h ?
'no deal' was NEVER on the table - the EU knew just as the UK knew it was not a feasible negotiating chip
Without a deal, the UK would have had to default to WTO rules, which even a cursory glance at would have told you that would be economic suicide,
That is why NO, I repeat NO, other countries * trade solely under WTO rules as you appear to be wanting. Countries have preferential trade arrangements and trade defence measures with neighbouring countries and are members of localised trading blocs.
The idea that UK would willingly join pariah states such as N. Korea and Iran and be at the whim of every tin pot country is patently absurd - which is why the nonsense was dropped.
Of course, incidents like this will continue to flare up, highlighting the sheer stupidity of the belief that you can isolate one country from progress and have it turn inward. However, the sad reality is that the UK will adapt, as manufacturing moves out along with investment. Barriers, costs and delays will make business in the UK less competitive.
There will be no levelling up. Just as there was never going to be a 'free for all' for UK fishermen, or hordes of red wall brexiteers flocking south to fill the vacancies left by naughty 'job stealing' foreigners. Remember the much trumpeted 'pick for Britain' campaign rolled out by the Tories, which was quietly dropped a few weeks later ?
Brexiteers will continue to whine, continue to make excuses (lies) and continue to claim it is all someone else's fault ........................... that they, errr.... voted for Brexit.
* bar a few rogue states |
I would be interested in your definition of 'progress' in the above. | |
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| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 18:39 - Aug 25 with 2651 views | dickie |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 10:40 - Aug 25 by Digger77 |
BuT I aM eNtitLeD tO a bAnAnA mILkShAkE! |
A straight banana milkshake? | | | |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 18:55 - Aug 25 with 2628 views | HARRY10 |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 18:37 - Aug 25 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I would be interested in your definition of 'progress' in the above. |
Continuing to remove/reduce trade barriers, further open up markets, moving towards harmonising standards/professional qualifications
not a comprehensive definition, more a few examples | | | |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 19:00 - Aug 25 with 2623 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 18:14 - Aug 25 by HARRY10 |
h ?
'no deal' was NEVER on the table - the EU knew just as the UK knew it was not a feasible negotiating chip
Without a deal, the UK would have had to default to WTO rules, which even a cursory glance at would have told you that would be economic suicide,
That is why NO, I repeat NO, other countries * trade solely under WTO rules as you appear to be wanting. Countries have preferential trade arrangements and trade defence measures with neighbouring countries and are members of localised trading blocs.
The idea that UK would willingly join pariah states such as N. Korea and Iran and be at the whim of every tin pot country is patently absurd - which is why the nonsense was dropped.
Of course, incidents like this will continue to flare up, highlighting the sheer stupidity of the belief that you can isolate one country from progress and have it turn inward. However, the sad reality is that the UK will adapt, as manufacturing moves out along with investment. Barriers, costs and delays will make business in the UK less competitive.
There will be no levelling up. Just as there was never going to be a 'free for all' for UK fishermen, or hordes of red wall brexiteers flocking south to fill the vacancies left by naughty 'job stealing' foreigners. Remember the much trumpeted 'pick for Britain' campaign rolled out by the Tories, which was quietly dropped a few weeks later ?
Brexiteers will continue to whine, continue to make excuses (lies) and continue to claim it is all someone else's fault ........................... that they, errr.... voted for Brexit.
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You have no idea if no deal would have happened, none.
Personally I never thought it would come to a no deal but it had to be on the table, anyone who thinks it should have been taken off the table is quite simply, clueless.
"That is why NO, I repeat NO, other countries * trade solely under WTO rules as you appear to be wanting" *****
**** Err - I voted remain. [Post edited 25 Aug 2021 19:09]
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| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 19:10 - Aug 25 with 2596 views | HARRY10 |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 19:00 - Aug 25 by Lord_Lucan |
You have no idea if no deal would have happened, none.
Personally I never thought it would come to a no deal but it had to be on the table, anyone who thinks it should have been taken off the table is quite simply, clueless.
"That is why NO, I repeat NO, other countries * trade solely under WTO rules as you appear to be wanting" *****
**** Err - I voted remain. [Post edited 25 Aug 2021 19:09]
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For 'no deal' to be an option, it had to have at least some form of possibility.
As said, falling back on WTO rules was never an option - have a read up on the consequences. Or maybe ask yourself why no other country trades solely on WTO rules.
It really is that simple - it was merely something to over excite the simple minded (brexiteers).
Remember a similar threat - not to pay the divorce bill. They need us..., easiest deal in history etc | | | |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 19:12 - Aug 25 with 2592 views | Darth_Koont |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 15:56 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
There's a kernel of truth there, though. Leaving in any form was always worse than remaining, however had we retained membership of the single market and customs union that would have significantly limited the damage too us economically and politically. |
Absolutely. Except they lied to us about the Norway deal. This was always going to end in disaster capitalism and anti-immigration populism.
“Look over there at those brown people!!! (while we rob you blind)” – I’d like to have seen that on a bus. Then again 40% of us would have voted for it. | |
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| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 19:12 - Aug 25 with 2588 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 19:10 - Aug 25 by HARRY10 |
For 'no deal' to be an option, it had to have at least some form of possibility.
As said, falling back on WTO rules was never an option - have a read up on the consequences. Or maybe ask yourself why no other country trades solely on WTO rules.
It really is that simple - it was merely something to over excite the simple minded (brexiteers).
Remember a similar threat - not to pay the divorce bill. They need us..., easiest deal in history etc |
Don't take this the wrong way but I'm not sure I hold much of what you think or say.
I mean, I remember before the last General Election you predicted a hung parliament. | |
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| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 19:15 - Aug 25 with 2572 views | Darth_Koont |
| Brexit just keeps on giving.... on 19:12 - Aug 25 by Lord_Lucan |
Don't take this the wrong way but I'm not sure I hold much of what you think or say.
I mean, I remember before the last General Election you predicted a hung parliament. |
Harry’s right here. “No deal” was the equivalent of us saying we’d hold our breath until they gave in.
A soon-to-be competitor screwing themselves over? Western Europe would just laugh and take our businesses. | |
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