| We're only 10 points off top 17:07 - Oct 23 with 10396 views | BloomBlue |
And to think some people were only claiming a couple of weeks the top 2 places were gone already.
10 points is nothing when we're not in Nov yet.
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| We're only 10 points off top on 18:04 - Oct 23 with 1947 views | chicoazul |
| We're only 10 points off top on 17:58 - Oct 23 by Mullet |
Are you not including Papa John's there to be fair? Cambridge was a week ago, and exactly the sort of performance we nearly repeated today. The idea we can do that in the run we have and get away with it is naieve at best. The idea it's been rectified when we've given away 18 pts from winning positions (I believe that's correct) is far too early to make that claim.
By your logic how soon do we top the league? |
Who knows? It depends on the other teams in the league. After the Gillingham win Chaplin said we need to create a winning culture it looks to many of us like that’s exactly what they’re doing so I don’t see why we can’t include all the games we are playing.
I see a lot of this “nearly” stuff - we nearly gave it away, we nearly didn’t win, they nearly scored. It also goes the other way as you rightly allude to with the points we surrendered from winning positions - apart from Bolton we nearly got them, too. |  |
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| We're only 10 points off top on 18:05 - Oct 23 with 1950 views | Mullet |
| We're only 10 points off top on 17:58 - Oct 23 by chicoazul |
But we *are* in this league. Blubbers does his own thing and who knows how serious he is but saying this season is an overall picture of failure is quite dumb considering our form since Bolton and on a par with anything blubbers says. Our form is excellent. Try to enjoy it rather than pouring scorn on people who are. We all know it’s been ages since we have had reasons to be cheerful. |
Being fair is not being scornful. Our recent form is decent, but the table shows exactly how far off we have been and still are. That doesn't mean a lack of enjoyment in the win, but you're doing exactly what I'm describing.
Hence why the OP is so flawed. As it stands we are still way off, which is why you're less confident making good on when we go top presumably. This is the month to turn that tide and give ourselves a chance.
Pretending the start of the season didn't happen is typical, but not useful. |  |
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| We're only 10 points off top on 18:05 - Oct 23 with 1945 views | chicoazul |
| We're only 10 points off top on 18:02 - Oct 23 by BlueBadger |
We 're only five games unbeaten. 4 if you don't count the pizza cup.
You're forgetting about Accrington.
I'm going to be generous and assume an oversight, rather than Roy Keane Statistics. [Post edited 23 Oct 2021 18:03]
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I do beg your pardon yes, lost 1 in 10 now I think. | |
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| We're only 10 points off top on 18:07 - Oct 23 with 1938 views | Mullet |
| We're only 10 points off top on 18:00 - Oct 23 by positivity |
you're including the papa john's there to get to 18!
the positive thing is we've now recovered from equalisers in our last couple of home games.
we ain't perfect, but we're improving, let's enjoy that! |
Hence the brackets, and even if you slice that off it's still a dire record rather than Cheeks missing out the Accrington defeat and not realising it.....let alone declining to actually put a mark on when we are going to get on course to promotion, not just a chance of it. | |
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| We're only 10 points off top on 18:08 - Oct 23 with 1926 views | wkj |
| We're only 10 points off top on 17:53 - Oct 23 by Mullet |
You'd think so, but look at Fishers jumping the gun. Every result garners a handful of people spinning it thus and it's pretty odd.
We're as low as anyone alive remembers and this time we have an embarrassment of riches - until we are out of this league we're failing. Scraping into the playoffs in this campaign is picking up 20p outside the bookies after losing a grand.
This constant lowering of expectations after Evans, when relative budgets and standing were ignored is at least very funny to read. |
I agree for the most part. We shouldn't expect anything less than automatic promotion, though League 1 is a lot harder to get out of this year than it was the last two seasons in my opinion.
If we do go up via the playoffs though, nothing about this season will ever really matter anymore (or less) than it would have if we get top 2. It is always hard to raise or lower our expectations for ITFC where the point where we really should be is gated by a promotion push that we never should have been part of anyway.
The question is, where SHOULD our expectations actually be any more - the premier league used to be our expectation, but every passing year it gets harder as teams like Norwich are happy to soak up the money by yo-yo ing year after year.
League 1 has crazy support for Sunderland (31.5k avr), Sheff Wds (24.7k) Ipswich (21.3k) Bolton (20.8k) and the rest start curving from 17k to 4k - That is a lot of teams, with a lot of supporters who feel that they're too big for L1.
It's going to be anything but simple - no matter how well or how poorly we started. [Post edited 23 Oct 2021 18:10]
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| We're only 10 points off top on 18:09 - Oct 23 with 1919 views | chicoazul |
| We're only 10 points off top on 18:05 - Oct 23 by Mullet |
Being fair is not being scornful. Our recent form is decent, but the table shows exactly how far off we have been and still are. That doesn't mean a lack of enjoyment in the win, but you're doing exactly what I'm describing.
Hence why the OP is so flawed. As it stands we are still way off, which is why you're less confident making good on when we go top presumably. This is the month to turn that tide and give ourselves a chance.
Pretending the start of the season didn't happen is typical, but not useful. |
I don’t see anyone “pretending the start of the season didn’t happen”? It’s entirely unfair to say the overall picture of the season is failure. | |
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| We're only 10 points off top on 18:10 - Oct 23 with 1908 views | chicoazul |
| We're only 10 points off top on 18:07 - Oct 23 by Mullet |
Hence the brackets, and even if you slice that off it's still a dire record rather than Cheeks missing out the Accrington defeat and not realising it.....let alone declining to actually put a mark on when we are going to get on course to promotion, not just a chance of it. |
Our current run of form is *exactly the form we need to show to get on course for promotion*. | |
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| We're only 10 points off top on 18:11 - Oct 23 with 1901 views | The_Romford_Blue |
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| We're only 10 points off top on 18:12 - Oct 23 with 1897 views | Mullet |
| We're only 10 points off top on 18:08 - Oct 23 by wkj |
I agree for the most part. We shouldn't expect anything less than automatic promotion, though League 1 is a lot harder to get out of this year than it was the last two seasons in my opinion.
If we do go up via the playoffs though, nothing about this season will ever really matter anymore (or less) than it would have if we get top 2. It is always hard to raise or lower our expectations for ITFC where the point where we really should be is gated by a promotion push that we never should have been part of anyway.
The question is, where SHOULD our expectations actually be any more - the premier league used to be our expectation, but every passing year it gets harder as teams like Norwich are happy to soak up the money by yo-yo ing year after year.
League 1 has crazy support for Sunderland (31.5k avr), Sheff Wds (24.7k) Ipswich (21.3k) Bolton (20.8k) and the rest start curving from 17k to 4k - That is a lot of teams, with a lot of supporters who feel that they're too big for L1.
It's going to be anything but simple - no matter how well or how poorly we started. [Post edited 23 Oct 2021 18:10]
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I'd take any route out, but pretending it's good enough to win the playoffs vs. the league is loaded with all sorts of issues. Such as whether we then keep Cook or not, because we have no idea how our spending will increase under these lot until we are there.
If they want to go the Wolves route as some have suggested, I don't see how they sack him in good grace or keep him knowing they want to go a different direction. At least that's quite exciting/fascinating. | |
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| We're only 10 points off top on 18:12 - Oct 23 with 1892 views | positivity |
| We're only 10 points off top on 18:10 - Oct 23 by chicoazul |
Our current run of form is *exactly the form we need to show to get on course for promotion*. |
current form would take us to 88 points, which is pretty close to auto promotion... |  |
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| We're only 10 points off top on 18:22 - Oct 23 with 1857 views | Mullet |
| We're only 10 points off top on 18:12 - Oct 23 by positivity |
current form would take us to 88 points, which is pretty close to auto promotion... |
We're 10th and Argyle, Wycombe, Rotherham and Oxford all have better form over the last 5 games according to BBC live table. I'm not sure there are 5 or so auto places even if "current form" is chopped around a bit that sort of points to one of the major flaws in that sort of argument. | |
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| We're only 10 points off top on 18:30 - Oct 23 with 1835 views | wkj |
| We're only 10 points off top on 18:12 - Oct 23 by Mullet |
I'd take any route out, but pretending it's good enough to win the playoffs vs. the league is loaded with all sorts of issues. Such as whether we then keep Cook or not, because we have no idea how our spending will increase under these lot until we are there.
If they want to go the Wolves route as some have suggested, I don't see how they sack him in good grace or keep him knowing they want to go a different direction. At least that's quite exciting/fascinating. |
If Cook takes us up, im not sure who you would bring in to be honest. Mick is obviously not the answer, Adkins will be retired you would imagine, Wilder will likely be at Cardiff and Howe (as some fans seem to think we're entitled to) will likely be at Southampton before too long.
I think the likes of Cook are the next generation of Managers you'll see in the Championship, so it's impossible to really predict.
As for spending? I know the fund is apparently quite large, but I have a feeling we're not going to be splashing the cash if we go up - it costs us over £6m a year to float and our agent fees will be sky high this year - we could end up finding this season costs us close to £10m - which is a significant chunk of change from the reported £300m value of takeover pot, especially when you factor in the takeover costs too. | |
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| We're only 10 points off top on 20:07 - Oct 23 with 1792 views | Vic |
| We're only 10 points off top on 17:33 - Oct 23 by DanTheMan |
Agreed, our squad depth does really help us.
Be very interesting to see how we do against Plymouth. I'm not sure how many other in form teams we have really played. |
Indeed. We’re clearly a much better team than we were 6 weeks ago. This will be a great test and chance for us to get a sense of just how we compare with the rest.
I said a few days ago that maybe playing and losing to a few of the ‘also ran’ teams at the start of the season could be a blessing in disguise. Had we played and lost to Plymouth or the others the gap would be bigger than it is. As it is we now play them when we are in better form and have a much better chance of getting something against them.
A win on Saturday would be absolutely huge; even a draw at their place at this point in time would be a good result. I wouldn’t mind all the next few games being draws to be honest! Then when we play them next we’ll be in top form and beat them to go top of the league! |  |
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| We're only 10 points off top on 20:15 - Oct 23 with 1777 views | Vic |
| We're only 10 points off top on 17:39 - Oct 23 by Mullet |
We’ve only just managed back to back wins and making it into the top half. All after nearly dropping points yet again instead.
It’s this sort of fair weather trumpeting that makes any sort of discourse impossible. What you’ve really highlighted is we are 11 points or so off where we should be. Today is finally a good sign we might at least close that gap.
The overall picture of the season so far is one of failure. Anyone suggesting otherwise is lying. This is a side built to conquer the league not participate. When we get to that sort of form you’d be better off with this stuff. |
Cheer up Muller’s! I think it’s fair to say that the start of the season was a failure, but the last few games can’t be classified as such. Our form is much better and at this point in time we are very much on an upward trend.
Will that continue? Who knows! But I don’t think the last 6 or 7 games could really be filed in the ‘failure’ folder. | |
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| We're only 10 points off top on 21:15 - Oct 23 with 1740 views | positivity |
| We're only 10 points off top on 18:22 - Oct 23 by Mullet |
We're 10th and Argyle, Wycombe, Rotherham and Oxford all have better form over the last 5 games according to BBC live table. I'm not sure there are 5 or so auto places even if "current form" is chopped around a bit that sort of points to one of the major flaws in that sort of argument. |
i see what you're saying, but we have to worry about us, and 88 points is a decent score.
whether we (or the 4) can get there will largely depend on our results against each other, but at the moment we're doing a great job, which is to be celebrated! | |
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| We're only 10 points off top on 21:56 - Oct 23 with 1698 views | MarkoW1 |
| We're only 10 points off top on 17:25 - Oct 23 by solomon |
We are starting to get our act together, still not perfect and there’s much work still to do, play offs should be our short term goal, if we get to that area of the table we can then dream bigger. |
The teams becoming a unit - a winning one | | | |
| We're only 10 points off top on 22:09 - Oct 23 with 1688 views | bluestandard |
| We're only 10 points off top on 17:39 - Oct 23 by Mullet |
We’ve only just managed back to back wins and making it into the top half. All after nearly dropping points yet again instead.
It’s this sort of fair weather trumpeting that makes any sort of discourse impossible. What you’ve really highlighted is we are 11 points or so off where we should be. Today is finally a good sign we might at least close that gap.
The overall picture of the season so far is one of failure. Anyone suggesting otherwise is lying. This is a side built to conquer the league not participate. When we get to that sort of form you’d be better off with this stuff. |
Happiness = reality minus expectations
I don’t see this season as a failure so far personally, but my expectations are lower than some.
Really pleased with the win today, and the momentum is building. Loving how many goals were scoring, and seeing this team coming together nicely. COYBs!!!! | | | |
| We're only 10 points off top on 22:23 - Oct 23 with 1668 views | NthQldITFC |
| We're only 10 points off top on 17:10 - Oct 23 by DanTheMan |
Whilst we're absolutely doing much better now, and our form isn't much different to those at the top, we need to be doing consistently better than them now over the course of the season which would be a very big ask. On basically the same form as Wycombe and Plymouth at the moment and we don't have (currently) the best form in the division.
It's by no means impossible but it would be very very difficult. We'd need them to be dropping points as much as we'd need to keep up our current form. |
Although another way to look at it would be to say with 32 games left and 10 points to make up, if you split that into three sections of approx 10 games each, we need to match their results in each section, but with one win for us against a loss for them. Given that we play them all twice in that time, it looks a lot less daunting that way. [Post edited 23 Oct 2021 22:26]
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| We're only 10 points off top on 10:35 - Oct 24 with 1548 views | brushhand |
| We're only 10 points off top on 17:58 - Oct 23 by Mullet |
Are you not including Papa John's there to be fair? Cambridge was a week ago, and exactly the sort of performance we nearly repeated today. The idea we can do that in the run we have and get away with it is naieve at best. The idea it's been rectified when we've given away 18 pts from winning positions (I believe that's correct) is far too early to make that claim.
By your logic how soon do we top the league? |
all teams concede goals and yes we should'nt blow a 2 goal lead, but that's a habit cook has to rectify.
teams are not crap because they concede, you have to give other teams some credit for being able to create a chance. | | | |
| We're only 10 points off top on 12:10 - Oct 24 with 1512 views | tractorboy1978 |
| We're only 10 points off top on 17:10 - Oct 23 by DanTheMan |
Whilst we're absolutely doing much better now, and our form isn't much different to those at the top, we need to be doing consistently better than them now over the course of the season which would be a very big ask. On basically the same form as Wycombe and Plymouth at the moment and we don't have (currently) the best form in the division.
It's by no means impossible but it would be very very difficult. We'd need them to be dropping points as much as we'd need to keep up our current form. |
There's a lot of games to play and looking at the fixtures, a lot of the 9 above us still have to play each other twice too. At the moment there are 5 teams on course for 88+ points, 4 of them 90+. That won't be the case by the end of the season. | | | |
| We're only 10 points off top on 12:12 - Oct 24 with 1493 views | chrismakin |
| We're only 10 points off top on 18:08 - Oct 23 by wkj |
I agree for the most part. We shouldn't expect anything less than automatic promotion, though League 1 is a lot harder to get out of this year than it was the last two seasons in my opinion.
If we do go up via the playoffs though, nothing about this season will ever really matter anymore (or less) than it would have if we get top 2. It is always hard to raise or lower our expectations for ITFC where the point where we really should be is gated by a promotion push that we never should have been part of anyway.
The question is, where SHOULD our expectations actually be any more - the premier league used to be our expectation, but every passing year it gets harder as teams like Norwich are happy to soak up the money by yo-yo ing year after year.
League 1 has crazy support for Sunderland (31.5k avr), Sheff Wds (24.7k) Ipswich (21.3k) Bolton (20.8k) and the rest start curving from 17k to 4k - That is a lot of teams, with a lot of supporters who feel that they're too big for L1.
It's going to be anything but simple - no matter how well or how poorly we started. [Post edited 23 Oct 2021 18:10]
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Wk.. genuine question.
Why should we expect nothing but automatic
Yet the owner reaffirms again it may not be this season we go up.. |  |
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| We're only 10 points off top on 13:31 - Oct 24 with 1482 views | Mullet |
| We're only 10 points off top on 20:15 - Oct 23 by Vic |
Cheer up Muller’s! I think it’s fair to say that the start of the season was a failure, but the last few games can’t be classified as such. Our form is much better and at this point in time we are very much on an upward trend.
Will that continue? Who knows! But I don’t think the last 6 or 7 games could really be filed in the ‘failure’ folder. |
No one is saying the past 6 or 7 are, although they certainly contain them in terms of Cambridge. This idea I have to "cheer up" when I'm not unhappy in the slightest is part of the problem, we're back again to a constant binary setting.
The best take on "the form table" puts us 3rd, and we are currently 10th so this fantasy if things continue as are - still doesn't put us top or top 2.
If we have the better players then the expectation of autos isn't unreasonable, and the start of the season has to be seen as a failure. Cutting it both ways to indulge ourselves is just silly. Relying on doing a Blackpool even a Luton if we look further back is the issue.
Faith and delusion might make people happy, but that doesn't make it a certainty. Cook has given himself a lot of work to do and little room for excuses. Being on an upward trend from the gutter is not the same as title winners etc. | |
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| We're only 10 points off top on 14:09 - Oct 24 with 1451 views | bluefunk |
| We're only 10 points off top on 13:31 - Oct 24 by Mullet |
No one is saying the past 6 or 7 are, although they certainly contain them in terms of Cambridge. This idea I have to "cheer up" when I'm not unhappy in the slightest is part of the problem, we're back again to a constant binary setting.
The best take on "the form table" puts us 3rd, and we are currently 10th so this fantasy if things continue as are - still doesn't put us top or top 2.
If we have the better players then the expectation of autos isn't unreasonable, and the start of the season has to be seen as a failure. Cutting it both ways to indulge ourselves is just silly. Relying on doing a Blackpool even a Luton if we look further back is the issue.
Faith and delusion might make people happy, but that doesn't make it a certainty. Cook has given himself a lot of work to do and little room for excuses. Being on an upward trend from the gutter is not the same as title winners etc. |
Why keep harping on about the start of the season? Cook has the team now producing 17 points from the last 24, which is automatic promotion form, and would give us 88 point if repeated for the rest of the season. That would be likely to be enough for automatic promotion, so not really a fantasy is it? |  | | |
| We're only 10 points off top on 14:18 - Oct 24 with 1431 views | istanblue |
We'd actually have to start winning games on a regular basis for that to happen. |  | | |
| We're only 10 points off top on 14:32 - Oct 24 with 1410 views | quad |
Our games between now and the end of December look very difficult on paper.
If we can win or draw most of those then we should be in really good shape for the run in.. | | | |
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