| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. 23:48 - Nov 6 with 6492 views | unstableblue |
… the team??
I like Toto, and being at Wycombe I saw some of his heroic defending
But that was a howler again today…. Yes I know all the players struggled to get into gear today, perhaps more focussed on the league
But just few Toto always has an error in his locker
I kind of feel today it showed that our final settled selection to bring the necessary run of consistent wins is not settled, will it be:
Walton
Donacien Edmundson Burgess Coulsen
Morsy evans
Aluko Chaplin edwards
Bonne [Post edited 6 Nov 2021 23:52]
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| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 09:31 - Nov 7 with 1696 views | noggin |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 09:26 - Nov 7 by ZXBlue |
He really hasn't. People have built a stereotype based on that early red card and a penalty several years ago. |
I didn't see the game yesterday but Brennar and Luke Hyam seemed to think Toto had a decent game. From the games I have seen, he is first choice centre back, for me. [Post edited 7 Nov 2021 9:34]
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| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 09:35 - Nov 7 with 1674 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 08:52 - Nov 7 by clive_baker |
One of the most ridiculous posts I’ve seen on here.
Toto has consistently made costly mistakes in his time here, and he’s rightly questioned on that. As has Hladky been this season after a less than convincing contribution and start to his Town career. While Bonne and Donacien have rightly been lauded.
I think you’re looking for something that isn’t there, and frankly it’s pretty unsavoury. |
This. |  |
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| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 09:36 - Nov 7 with 1673 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 09:26 - Nov 7 by ZXBlue |
He really hasn't. People have built a stereotype based on that early red card and a penalty several years ago. |
They really haven't.
Yes he gets criticism (not from me) but so do lots of other town players. | |
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| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 09:40 - Nov 7 with 1651 views | ZXBlue |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 09:36 - Nov 7 by Marshalls_Mullet |
They really haven't.
Yes he gets criticism (not from me) but so do lots of other town players. |
They really have. The criticism is disproportionate, and often seemingly based on a perceived catalogue of mistakes which haven't actually happened. |  | | |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 09:54 - Nov 7 with 1615 views | chicoazul |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 08:52 - Nov 7 by clive_baker |
One of the most ridiculous posts I’ve seen on here.
Toto has consistently made costly mistakes in his time here, and he’s rightly questioned on that. As has Hladky been this season after a less than convincing contribution and start to his Town career. While Bonne and Donacien have rightly been lauded.
I think you’re looking for something that isn’t there, and frankly it’s pretty unsavoury. |
Wrong. |  |
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| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 09:55 - Nov 7 with 1607 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 09:40 - Nov 7 by ZXBlue |
They really have. The criticism is disproportionate, and often seemingly based on a perceived catalogue of mistakes which haven't actually happened. |
Agree to differ. | |
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| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 10:00 - Nov 7 with 1593 views | clive_baker |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 09:54 - Nov 7 by chicoazul |
Wrong. |
The OP has made an honest observation about a player who made a very costly mistake yesterday, as any of us do about any player. Your response is to imply there’s a racial bias and putting stereotypical comments like ‘clumsy no brains just an athlete‘ into his mouth, none of which were used at any point during the OP.
That’s wrong. |  |
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| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 10:02 - Nov 7 with 1582 views | mattyhollandsirish |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 09:26 - Nov 7 by ZXBlue |
He really hasn't. People have built a stereotype based on that early red card and a penalty several years ago. |
I think the stereotype is built on the facts being that Toto rarely goes a game without making a big mistake that could cost us a goal. We generally get away with it in league 1, but Toto is what he is. He's a strong league 1 defender but an accident waiting to happen. I think most people can see that. For what it's worth, I'd still play him as Wolfie simply hasn't kicked on with his career and Burgess hasn't really taken his chance yet. Toto is generally fine 90% of the time in this league and best option we have at present so no issue him playing. | | | |
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| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 10:23 - Nov 7 with 1542 views | witchdoctor |
no Burns in your side?…he’d be one of the first in mine. |  | | |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 10:36 - Nov 7 with 1514 views | pennblue |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 10:02 - Nov 7 by mattyhollandsirish |
I think the stereotype is built on the facts being that Toto rarely goes a game without making a big mistake that could cost us a goal. We generally get away with it in league 1, but Toto is what he is. He's a strong league 1 defender but an accident waiting to happen. I think most people can see that. For what it's worth, I'd still play him as Wolfie simply hasn't kicked on with his career and Burgess hasn't really taken his chance yet. Toto is generally fine 90% of the time in this league and best option we have at present so no issue him playing. |
This ^^^
But unfortunately, we can't afford to have players in the team that have the potential to make a big mistake, and this is not just about Toto, Woolf still appears to be lackadaisical and unable to read the game well.
Burgess is great in the air, but if he is getting out muscled then that is no good either.
If one of these three cannot stake their claim we will have to go into the transfer market in January to sort this out once and for all.
But another thing that needs to be looked at is why we have these periods of flat play. The Sports Psychologist, Manager, Coaches and players need to look at why this is happening and how we can become a team that is 'on' for 90 mins.
To be successful, we need a process to continually improve everything in the club, from top to bottom. But on the playing staff side of things, this means upgrading our weakest positions on the pitch. It is harsh, but this is football, there is a lot of money flying around, they get paid well, and this is the nature of the beast.
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| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 11:03 - Nov 7 with 1475 views | unstableblue |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 10:23 - Nov 7 by witchdoctor |
no Burns in your side?…he’d be one of the first in mine. |
I love Burns… and was thinking he’s been our best summer purchase.. that team selection was more to pose the point that what we thought is our preferred may not be quite there
But yeah Burns should probably be there… as edwards was probably even less effective than Burns
I was making the point Aluko seems to the Uber consistent player | |
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| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 11:11 - Nov 7 with 1463 views | nodge_blue |
I think Toto is whole hearted and committed guy. I really like that attitude and so want him to succeed. But his error rate per game(s) is far too high. I cant see him being a long term fixture. |  |
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| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 11:13 - Nov 7 with 1455 views | clive_baker |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 11:03 - Nov 7 by unstableblue |
I love Burns… and was thinking he’s been our best summer purchase.. that team selection was more to pose the point that what we thought is our preferred may not be quite there
But yeah Burns should probably be there… as edwards was probably even less effective than Burns
I was making the point Aluko seems to the Uber consistent player |
Aluko is probably the one people were least excited by on paper, but he’s played well whenever called upon. He’s a bit unlucky he’s competing with Burns for the right hand side position because he’s looked quality, as you say probably our best signing behind Bonne, chipping in with goals and assists and a constant threat.
I think we’re spoilt in those 3 positions behind Bonne. Any of Celina, Edwards, Fraser, Burns, Aluko, Chaplin have something about them and have shown that this season. Fraser is probably the one who has struggled to get going most.
Walton looks comfortable in goal, I just think the 4 in front of him is anyone’s guess still. Probably Edmundson + 3 I would say. I would go with Coulson over Penney if fit. I would like to see Burgess in the middle, and right back is a coin toss between Donacien and KVY and probably depends to some extent on the game, given JD is more solid defensively. | |
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| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 11:15 - Nov 7 with 1447 views | pennblue |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 11:11 - Nov 7 by nodge_blue |
I think Toto is whole hearted and committed guy. I really like that attitude and so want him to succeed. But his error rate per game(s) is far too high. I cant see him being a long term fixture. |
I want all three to succeed, Wolf, Toto and Burgess. It is a key moment in their careers, we are now in an upward trajectory, and if they want to be a part of that journey, they need to perform to a consistent level where we don't <keep> having these discussions. | |
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| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 12:19 - Nov 7 with 1398 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 08:24 - Nov 7 by Keaneish |
He made three big mistakes at Pompey but got away with them. The only reason this has come under the microscope is that it’s his fault we have a replay to attend. |
It is the team's fault that we have a replay to attend.
Bonne's three headers straight at their keeper.
Celina "over-playing" when in good positions.
Morsy uncharacteristically giving the ball away.
If you're going to single out one player for the reason we are in a replay why not Walton for not keeping their shot out? Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? |  |
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| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 12:42 - Nov 7 with 1375 views | jayessess |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 08:52 - Nov 7 by clive_baker |
One of the most ridiculous posts I’ve seen on here.
Toto has consistently made costly mistakes in his time here, and he’s rightly questioned on that. As has Hladky been this season after a less than convincing contribution and start to his Town career. While Bonne and Donacien have rightly been lauded.
I think you’re looking for something that isn’t there, and frankly it’s pretty unsavoury. |
"Consistently". When was the last time Toto made a "costly mistake"? By my reckoning it was over a year ago (Doncaster away), where he was mainly responsible for their 3rd.
If 1 bad rick in a season makes you some kind of error-prone calamity, then pretty much every defensive player at the club is. |  |
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| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 12:43 - Nov 7 with 1368 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 12:42 - Nov 7 by jayessess |
"Consistently". When was the last time Toto made a "costly mistake"? By my reckoning it was over a year ago (Doncaster away), where he was mainly responsible for their 3rd.
If 1 bad rick in a season makes you some kind of error-prone calamity, then pretty much every defensive player at the club is. |
Bang on ! 100& agree |  | | |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 12:49 - Nov 7 with 1348 views | ZXBlue |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 12:43 - Nov 7 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Bang on ! 100& agree |
This is precisely the point.
People will swear blind that he keeps making costly mistakes, but it is based on the flimisiest of premises. | | | |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 12:50 - Nov 7 with 1349 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
Toto Nsiala being scrutinized by some 'experts' part 45 618
No player in the last few years has been treated by some like Toto is. Our defence has improved considerably since he's been back in the team. No wonder it all has been much better. But for those 'experts' his mistake is much more significant than last 4 league games in which he played.
Moreover, even Cook says that Toto is one of the best CB's at this level......but no, he has made a mistake so that warrants a criticism from some.
Had Woolfenden who is an error prone bang average League One player played and made a mistake this kind of thread wouldn't have been created. Because 'he is one our own' so large number of people keep winking at his mistakes and poor performances.
Toto is our key component if we aim to get promoted. | | | |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 12:54 - Nov 7 with 1330 views | pointofblue |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 12:50 - Nov 7 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Toto Nsiala being scrutinized by some 'experts' part 45 618
No player in the last few years has been treated by some like Toto is. Our defence has improved considerably since he's been back in the team. No wonder it all has been much better. But for those 'experts' his mistake is much more significant than last 4 league games in which he played.
Moreover, even Cook says that Toto is one of the best CB's at this level......but no, he has made a mistake so that warrants a criticism from some.
Had Woolfenden who is an error prone bang average League One player played and made a mistake this kind of thread wouldn't have been created. Because 'he is one our own' so large number of people keep winking at his mistakes and poor performances.
Toto is our key component if we aim to get promoted. |
But don’t worry, we know you’ll be around to rip Woolfenden to shreds. | |
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| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 12:55 - Nov 7 with 1331 views | timothyeo |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 12:42 - Nov 7 by jayessess |
"Consistently". When was the last time Toto made a "costly mistake"? By my reckoning it was over a year ago (Doncaster away), where he was mainly responsible for their 3rd.
If 1 bad rick in a season makes you some kind of error-prone calamity, then pretty much every defensive player at the club is. |
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| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 12:55 - Nov 7 with 1326 views | ArnieM |
Our defence isn’t quite good enough for our promotion plans tbh . We need another CB and a left back. Penney I’d no better than Kenlock tbh and Coulson appears to be always injured . I’d say we also need another GK on the assumption that Holy will leave soon and I don’t really rate Hladky I’m afraid. |  |
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| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 12:57 - Nov 7 with 1316 views | jayessess |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 12:50 - Nov 7 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Toto Nsiala being scrutinized by some 'experts' part 45 618
No player in the last few years has been treated by some like Toto is. Our defence has improved considerably since he's been back in the team. No wonder it all has been much better. But for those 'experts' his mistake is much more significant than last 4 league games in which he played.
Moreover, even Cook says that Toto is one of the best CB's at this level......but no, he has made a mistake so that warrants a criticism from some.
Had Woolfenden who is an error prone bang average League One player played and made a mistake this kind of thread wouldn't have been created. Because 'he is one our own' so large number of people keep winking at his mistakes and poor performances.
Toto is our key component if we aim to get promoted. |
There have been a tonne of threads digging out Woolfie as well, tbf. I think it's far from true that academy products get an easy ride, the opposite if anything.
Woolfenden was an error-prone clown after making 1 significant error, Kenlock was the worst full back in the EFL according to some, people couldn't wait to get Dozzell out the door and he's now starting for a Top 6 Championship team. Our youngsters hit about 20 games and then they're fair game. | |
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| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 12:58 - Nov 7 with 1307 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 12:54 - Nov 7 by pointofblue |
But don’t worry, we know you’ll be around to rip Woolfenden to shreds. |
Don’t worry, we know you’ll be keeping the torch for Woolfenden regardless of his performances. | | | |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 13:01 - Nov 7 with 1290 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| I think we to take into account it was a cup game, but can we afford Toto in.. on 12:57 - Nov 7 by jayessess |
There have been a tonne of threads digging out Woolfie as well, tbf. I think it's far from true that academy products get an easy ride, the opposite if anything.
Woolfenden was an error-prone clown after making 1 significant error, Kenlock was the worst full back in the EFL according to some, people couldn't wait to get Dozzell out the door and he's now starting for a Top 6 Championship team. Our youngsters hit about 20 games and then they're fair game. |
Again, no player has been scrutinized as much as Toto. Nowhere near that.
We've been much more in defence since he's been back. One mistake yesterday and some can't wait to point out at this. | | | |
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