| Tyreece Simpson update 10:03 - Jan 28 with 16288 views | greyhound |
From what I understand...
Tyreece was recalled as he has refused to discuss/sign new contractual terms with town.
He has been moved into the u18s to train. So don't go expecting him to be given match time any time soon.
Understand from source this is a power play/punishment for him refusing to initiay speak with town.
Haven't scanned the board in a few days so this may already be posted and will remove if covered elsewhere
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| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:34 - Jan 28 with 1688 views | xrayspecs |
Sounds like the club is protecting its investment in TS so he does not walk away on a free.
Not convinced he is good enough to play top end L1/championship, so may be no more than Ashton's player trading. Would a L1 team offer us £250k for him? | | | |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:35 - Jan 28 with 1684 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:34 - Jan 28 by Freddies_Ears |
If he is refusing to talk to us (or, his agent isn't being cooperative), it may well be he has been tapped up by another club. Chelsea have form... |
No way is he good enough for Chelsea |  | | |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:37 - Jan 28 with 1643 views | Radlett_blue |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:29 - Jan 28 by BlueBlood90 |
Not sure if I'm in a minority by saying this but I 'm actually happy and think it's quite refreshing that we've recalled him and stuck him in the U18s if that's the case. We've been walked all over by players in the past and this shows we're not a soft touch anymore.
If this is true and he won't discuss a new deal then I'd trigger his extension and sell to the highest bidder regardless of where he actually wants to go. |
Disagree - it's a form of bullying & Simpson is entitled to refuse to even enter new contract discussions, however foolish that may seem. If he's trying to force Town to sell him now at a knock-down price, he's being silly as we'll trigger the extension & sell him in the summer. |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:38 - Jan 28 with 1630 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:34 - Jan 28 by xrayspecs |
Sounds like the club is protecting its investment in TS so he does not walk away on a free.
Not convinced he is good enough to play top end L1/championship, so may be no more than Ashton's player trading. Would a L1 team offer us £250k for him? |
Better off leaving him playing well at Swindon and sell at the end of the season.
Putting a player in the U18's doesnt protect an investment. |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:39 - Jan 28 with 1621 views | wrightsrightglove |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:29 - Jan 28 by BlueBlood90 |
Not sure if I'm in a minority by saying this but I 'm actually happy and think it's quite refreshing that we've recalled him and stuck him in the U18s if that's the case. We've been walked all over by players in the past and this shows we're not a soft touch anymore.
If this is true and he won't discuss a new deal then I'd trigger his extension and sell to the highest bidder regardless of where he actually wants to go. |
I’m with you on this. Obviously we don’t know the full details and there could be more at play but if he’s pushing for a move then trigger his extension and let him sit in the under 18s until we get an offer of a small fee with a hefty sell on. He’s cutting off his nose to spite his face though, he’s wasting key development time because I doubt we’ll sell him this window so he’s going to waste half a season at least, potentially a season and a half, in the under 18s at such a crucial period of his development when he could be out there playing and enjoying himself. | | | |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:39 - Jan 28 with 1621 views | Guthrum |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:28 - Jan 28 by clive_baker |
Maybe he tried. If the club says sign it or we're calling you back, what do you do?
All hypothetical of course, but there's 2 sides to every story. |
Indeed. Altho the suggestion is that he has refused to even discuss it.
He's only an 18-year-old with one decent League Two loan spell under his belt. Hardly established in his career as yet, in a position to call the shots. In how many companies would a young trainee be allowed to decide which bits of work they do or don't fancy carrying out?
From the club's point of view, they've invested time and money in bringing him therough the Academy and Youth setup, it's not unreasonable to recoup some of that investment by preventing him leaving for free. |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:41 - Jan 28 with 1595 views | N2_Blue |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:21 - Jan 28 by abracaDOBRA_ |
Just noticed he's taken ITFC out of his bio, unfollowed the club and deleted all ITFC related photos. Yes i know, stalker. |
Well that's just pathetic.
No one knows how good he is yet, he could have ended up playing first team football at Town next season on 3times what Swindon will pay him, especially when you see that we have not many striker confirmed for next season.
Very poor from Tyreece and that action says I lot. Very disappointed in him, we've given him a chance with us, he impressed, so then got him a loan, he's impressed so surely on our radar for better things at our club and he does this. Really really surprised as didn't come across as an arrogant so an so |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:41 - Jan 28 with 1593 views | SitfcB |
Yeah and why should we believe you? |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:41 - Jan 28 with 1595 views | xrayspecs |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:37 - Jan 28 by Radlett_blue |
Disagree - it's a form of bullying & Simpson is entitled to refuse to even enter new contract discussions, however foolish that may seem. If he's trying to force Town to sell him now at a knock-down price, he's being silly as we'll trigger the extension & sell him in the summer. |
Do not agree with that. It is not bullying.
If TS is REFUSING TO SPEAK to Town about a new contract so he can walk away for free, then why should we continue to invest in him? Commitment works both ways and we are paying his wages.
So, no loans to help him further his career, no U23 games to block the development of players who are committed to Town, we can fulfil our responsibility to him to keep him fit via U18 training sessions. | | | |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:43 - Jan 28 with 1575 views | xrayspecs |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:38 - Jan 28 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Better off leaving him playing well at Swindon and sell at the end of the season.
Putting a player in the U18's doesnt protect an investment. |
In the long term no, but it may concentrate his mind in the short term.
Commitment is a two way thing, we are paying his wages. | | | |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:43 - Jan 28 with 1564 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:43 - Jan 28 by xrayspecs |
In the long term no, but it may concentrate his mind in the short term.
Commitment is a two way thing, we are paying his wages. |
If the OP is correct, it wont end well. | |
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| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:44 - Jan 28 with 1565 views | BlueBlood90 |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:37 - Jan 28 by Radlett_blue |
Disagree - it's a form of bullying & Simpson is entitled to refuse to even enter new contract discussions, however foolish that may seem. If he's trying to force Town to sell him now at a knock-down price, he's being silly as we'll trigger the extension & sell him in the summer. |
On the flip side is his behaviour not a form of bullying/manipulation if he's throwing his toys out of the pram and demanding that we sell him at a knock-down price? Why should we? We've taken a punt on him, paid his wages, helped him develop for 4 years and facilitated a good loan for him to help him come back a better player and now he thinks he's entitled to call the shots?
It's important that we lay down a marker and make an example of him if that's the case. |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:45 - Jan 28 with 1554 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:41 - Jan 28 by xrayspecs |
Do not agree with that. It is not bullying.
If TS is REFUSING TO SPEAK to Town about a new contract so he can walk away for free, then why should we continue to invest in him? Commitment works both ways and we are paying his wages.
So, no loans to help him further his career, no U23 games to block the development of players who are committed to Town, we can fulfil our responsibility to him to keep him fit via U18 training sessions. |
Thats nonsense.
If you get a reputation for treating young players like that, you wont get good young players. | |
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| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:47 - Jan 28 with 1543 views | Guthrum |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:43 - Jan 28 by Marshalls_Mullet |
If the OP is correct, it wont end well. |
I agree. But it sounds like there's already been a serious breakdown in the relationship between club and player if it's got to this stage. | |
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| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:47 - Jan 28 with 1540 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:41 - Jan 28 by N2_Blue |
Well that's just pathetic.
No one knows how good he is yet, he could have ended up playing first team football at Town next season on 3times what Swindon will pay him, especially when you see that we have not many striker confirmed for next season.
Very poor from Tyreece and that action says I lot. Very disappointed in him, we've given him a chance with us, he impressed, so then got him a loan, he's impressed so surely on our radar for better things at our club and he does this. Really really surprised as didn't come across as an arrogant so an so |
Seems to be the in thing for young footballers. Remember Dobra doing it, and Wolfy has done it this season as well. ITFC out his bio and only has Swindon town pictures on his feed, also doesn't follow the club. Presume from when Cook wasn't picking him.
All a bit weird and petty, but they all do it. | | | |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:48 - Jan 28 with 1526 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:47 - Jan 28 by Guthrum |
I agree. But it sounds like there's already been a serious breakdown in the relationship between club and player if it's got to this stage. |
No benefit in cutting a successful loan short. | |
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| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:48 - Jan 28 with 1528 views | clive_baker |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:39 - Jan 28 by Guthrum |
Indeed. Altho the suggestion is that he has refused to even discuss it.
He's only an 18-year-old with one decent League Two loan spell under his belt. Hardly established in his career as yet, in a position to call the shots. In how many companies would a young trainee be allowed to decide which bits of work they do or don't fancy carrying out?
From the club's point of view, they've invested time and money in bringing him therough the Academy and Youth setup, it's not unreasonable to recoup some of that investment by preventing him leaving for free. |
It's not like he's asking to start on Saturday (I presume). To use your anaolgy, in any other organisation that 18 year old would be allowed to leave if they didn't enjoy where they were working. They wouldn't be demoted to cleaning the bogs and tied in for 18 months.
It's not altruism when clubs invest in young players, they do so to get a return and are more than happy to release players when it doesn't work out the other way. There are rules in place that protect clubs in the event players move on, if he did get offered terms and decided to leave on a free, whether it be in 18 months time, it would go to a tribunal and the club would be compensated.
It's a difficult one but I imagine he's just had a bit of smoke blown up him at Swindon, really enjoyed it, and wants to move there on a permanent deal at the soonest opportunity. I wouldn't be in a hurry to sign an extension in that situation either, he needs to do what's right for him. |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:50 - Jan 28 with 1520 views | xrayspecs |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:45 - Jan 28 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Thats nonsense.
If you get a reputation for treating young players like that, you wont get good young players. |
If you treat young players who are committed to the club well, then you will develop a good reputation.
You also send a clear message that we are not interested in players who are going to take what they can and then leave us high and dry.
Perfectly reasonable approach. | | | |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:52 - Jan 28 with 1479 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:50 - Jan 28 by xrayspecs |
If you treat young players who are committed to the club well, then you will develop a good reputation.
You also send a clear message that we are not interested in players who are going to take what they can and then leave us high and dry.
Perfectly reasonable approach. |
Thats a very old fashioned view.
Treat all players like adults and treat them well.
If he doesnt want to commit, sell him at the end of the season after a successful loan. | |
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| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:53 - Jan 28 with 1474 views | hoppy |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:41 - Jan 28 by SitfcB |
Yeah and why should we believe you? |
I know... it's always the same with this one, isn't it?! |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:53 - Jan 28 with 1472 views | homer_123 |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:37 - Jan 28 by Radlett_blue |
Disagree - it's a form of bullying & Simpson is entitled to refuse to even enter new contract discussions, however foolish that may seem. If he's trying to force Town to sell him now at a knock-down price, he's being silly as we'll trigger the extension & sell him in the summer. |
That's a big call to make in terms of bullying.
Pretty standard fare for players to be told to train with the youths if there are issues. |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:56 - Jan 28 with 1442 views | WD19 |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:34 - Jan 28 by Freddies_Ears |
If he is refusing to talk to us (or, his agent isn't being cooperative), it may well be he has been tapped up by another club. Chelsea have form... |
Nobody is going to wait 18 months and then - after he has been rotting in the stiffs all that time - pay him more than we are likely to offer. |  | | |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:57 - Jan 28 with 1434 views | Hipsterectomy |
Why would he not even want to see the offer/negotiate a contract? Even if he was 100% sure he wanted to leave, or even more from the area, why not see what is being offered at least. It’s not like he’s an established player who knows there will be 5+ better offers elsewhere |  |
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| Tyreece Simpson update on 11:02 - Jan 28 with 1384 views | Guthrum |
| Tyreece Simpson update on 10:48 - Jan 28 by clive_baker |
It's not like he's asking to start on Saturday (I presume). To use your anaolgy, in any other organisation that 18 year old would be allowed to leave if they didn't enjoy where they were working. They wouldn't be demoted to cleaning the bogs and tied in for 18 months.
It's not altruism when clubs invest in young players, they do so to get a return and are more than happy to release players when it doesn't work out the other way. There are rules in place that protect clubs in the event players move on, if he did get offered terms and decided to leave on a free, whether it be in 18 months time, it would go to a tribunal and the club would be compensated.
It's a difficult one but I imagine he's just had a bit of smoke blown up him at Swindon, really enjoyed it, and wants to move there on a permanent deal at the soonest opportunity. I wouldn't be in a hurry to sign an extension in that situation either, he needs to do what's right for him. |
Yes, but if he (or his agent) was clever, they would be pushing that line to the club, not refusing to talk. At the very least, it might result in another loan.
It might be the case that Swindon don't really want to offer a permanent deal, or can't afford the price we might ask. Or we might have had plans to work him into our own First Team over the next couple of seasons after this one, so not wanting him to leave at all. The deal he wants might be unrealistic, in other words.
We don't know the full details, or the tone of what communications have passed between the two sides, so it's impossible to say where blame, if any, can be apportioned. | |
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| That was the suggestion on the Kings of Anglia podcast too on 11:04 - Jan 28 with 1369 views | mrshallisfit |
| That was the suggestion on the Kings of Anglia podcast too on 10:07 - Jan 28 by Menton |
Seems harsh on the guy but Ashton isn’t paid to f@ck spiders. |
What about fingering centipedes? | | | |
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