| Hypothetically speaking 10:31 - Feb 22 with 18220 views | blueasfook |
On the remote chance that labour had won the election...
I wonder what noises Comrade Corbyn would be making to the Russians over their illegal invasion of Ukraine.
He would probably side with them and wish them well. |  |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 10:39 - Feb 23 with 2378 views | giant_stow |
| Hypothetically speaking on 10:38 - Feb 23 by Darth_Koont |
Yeah right.
You’re just being silly now because you wanted to believe the lie. |
DOn;t be daft - 3 days off a month out from a massive election for a politician is like a footballer going on holiday in the 34 min of a match. |  |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 10:40 - Feb 23 with 2373 views | blueasfook |
| Hypothetically speaking on 21:35 - Feb 22 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Eh? Nope, I voted for Labour. I abhor Johnson's amoral Government. But I understand why Corbyn didn't win, which is multi-faceted but believe that a politician with more experience, like Yvette Cooper or Andy Burnham, or who was less abashed about his Britishness, like war veteran Clive Lewis, would have done better than Corbyn.
Johnson had a back office that understood what was needed to win. He had the corrupt First Past the Post system (which is loaded towards the Tories and under-represents cities, as well as being destructive of third and fourth parties' chances) and he had the advantage of a pliant media.
Corbyn had the NHS (many doctors and nurses made videos supporting him) and, remarkably, many Police Officers, too. And the young. He connected with them. But he lost older, traditional Labour voters because he was tainted by association with the IRA and Hamas. He lost traditional Labour voters in the Jewish community, too, because he was perceived as being, at the least, careless about who he was seen with, and, again at the least, uninterested in supporting those who made complaints of anti-semitism.
Just as Corbyn won the young over, Johnson won over the older demographic. He had the Union Jack bunting, cream tea and Vera Lynn on the radiogram thing off pat. Some of those voters have still not forgiven Labour for inflation, power cuts and the loss of economic self-esteem in the 70s. Their gut instinct is to see the Tories as the safe and default option. Many of them made money from share privatisations, or bought their first house, under Thatcher in the 80s.
So the dice is loaded against the Labour Party. As well as all of the above, their most attractive policies cost a lot of money. Popular Tory policies involve lower taxes. But Johnson's strongest card (basically Last Night of the Proms and a cheeky hair ruffling) was up against Corbyn's weakness (a feeling that he isn't proud to be British) and in Brexit it became the central focus.
And that card played strongest to the demographic who are most likely to actually turn out and vote. |
Well said. I also think we need to include the Dianne Abbott factor.
The thought of an openly racist home secretary suffering cognitive decline didnt appeal to many I am sure. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 10:42 - Feb 23 with 2364 views | chicoazul |
| Hypothetically speaking on 10:40 - Feb 23 by blueasfook |
Well said. I also think we need to include the Dianne Abbott factor.
The thought of an openly racist home secretary suffering cognitive decline didnt appeal to many I am sure. |
As opposed to Priti Patel. |  |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 10:45 - Feb 23 with 2344 views | Darth_Koont |
| Hypothetically speaking on 10:07 - Feb 23 by GlasgowBlue |
I wasn't being entirely serious about the Butlins knobbly knees competition Koonters. |
It’s one of your better jokes.
I like the one when you and your smeary chums keep piling up the smears. And then accuse me of denying antisemitism (or worse being antisemitic) when I point out the lack of evidence. That’s always hilarious.
You may have a largely sympathetic or at least neutral audience on here, but this stuff really lowers the tone and the standard on here. We should be a lot better than this. |  |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 10:49 - Feb 23 with 2331 views | Darth_Koont |
| Hypothetically speaking on 10:39 - Feb 23 by giant_stow |
DOn;t be daft - 3 days off a month out from a massive election for a politician is like a footballer going on holiday in the 34 min of a match. |
So why wasn’t the accusation about him taking a long weekend?
Because that clearly wasn’t an issue at the time. It had to be grossly exaggerated. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 10:52 - Feb 23 with 2309 views | giant_stow |
| Hypothetically speaking on 10:49 - Feb 23 by Darth_Koont |
So why wasn’t the accusation about him taking a long weekend?
Because that clearly wasn’t an issue at the time. It had to be grossly exaggerated. |
A holiday's a holiday - I'm taking you and Lowhouse on trust on how long it was as I haven't looked into it myself, but don't see what difference the length of time away makes. It just shows a lack of commitment to the cause. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 10:54 - Feb 23 with 2294 views | Darth_Koont |
| Hypothetically speaking on 10:52 - Feb 23 by giant_stow |
A holiday's a holiday - I'm taking you and Lowhouse on trust on how long it was as I haven't looked into it myself, but don't see what difference the length of time away makes. It just shows a lack of commitment to the cause. |
You do you.
I just think you’re trying desperately to keep this alive. When it really isn’t and wasn’t an issue until people started pushing the lie. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 11:05 - Feb 23 with 2261 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hypothetically speaking on 10:38 - Feb 23 by giant_stow |
Yes thanks Dolly, now you've not misdirected me, I understand your point! But disagree with your conclusions. |
So what difference did you expect those few days to make? |  |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 11:07 - Feb 23 with 2258 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hypothetically speaking on 10:39 - Feb 23 by MattinLondon |
And instead you voted for the Common Sense loonies. The tell-it-like-it-is crew who, when their popularity seems to decrease, wrap their cocks and tits in Union Flags and the idiots fall for this patriotic bull s**t. |
Hang on a minute, but blueasfook's a political heavyweight! | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 11:09 - Feb 23 with 2254 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hypothetically speaking on 10:39 - Feb 23 by giant_stow |
DOn;t be daft - 3 days off a month out from a massive election for a politician is like a footballer going on holiday in the 34 min of a match. |
Hahaha. No it isn't.
Corbyn was staying neutral.
The campaign lasted months (and we were still a month from the vote).
So what difference did you expect those few days to make? | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 11:10 - Feb 23 with 2250 views | leitrimblue |
| Hypothetically speaking on 10:40 - Feb 23 by blueasfook |
Well said. I also think we need to include the Dianne Abbott factor.
The thought of an openly racist home secretary suffering cognitive decline didnt appeal to many I am sure. |
You have to admire a man who voted for Boris and Pritti Patal as a stand against racism. Absolute genius |  | | |
| Hypothetically speaking on 11:11 - Feb 23 with 2236 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hypothetically speaking on 11:10 - Feb 23 by leitrimblue |
You have to admire a man who voted for Boris and Pritti Patal as a stand against racism. Absolute genius |
The mind boggles. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 11:26 - Feb 23 with 2208 views | blueasfook |
| Hypothetically speaking on 11:10 - Feb 23 by leitrimblue |
You have to admire a man who voted for Boris and Pritti Patal as a stand against racism. Absolute genius |
Racism against white people is clearly far less tolerable in this country.
There's a suprise eh! | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 11:28 - Feb 23 with 2196 views | leitrimblue |
| Hypothetically speaking on 11:26 - Feb 23 by blueasfook |
Racism against white people is clearly far less tolerable in this country.
There's a suprise eh! |
Sorry, I clearly feel the pain of the persecuted white man. My thoughts are with you brother | | | |
| Hypothetically speaking on 11:30 - Feb 23 with 2190 views | giant_stow |
| Hypothetically speaking on 11:09 - Feb 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Hahaha. No it isn't.
Corbyn was staying neutral.
The campaign lasted months (and we were still a month from the vote).
So what difference did you expect those few days to make? |
Fair enough, you disagree, but I think my comparison stands up well. What difference would a footballer missing a few minutes make while going on holiday? Could make all the difference or none - its about commitment.
As a labour voting remainer, I never understood what you're now calling his neutrality. He was leading a pro-EU party. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 11:30 - Feb 23 with 2192 views | Darth_Koont |
| Hypothetically speaking on 11:26 - Feb 23 by blueasfook |
Racism against white people is clearly far less tolerable in this country.
There's a suprise eh! |
All lives matter, right?
You’re on very solid ground and among fine, upstanding people with that opinion. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 11:31 - Feb 23 with 2178 views | blueasfook |
| Hypothetically speaking on 11:28 - Feb 23 by leitrimblue |
Sorry, I clearly feel the pain of the persecuted white man. My thoughts are with you brother |
We love to divide and rule dont you know! | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 11:31 - Feb 23 with 2179 views | noggin |
| Hypothetically speaking on 11:26 - Feb 23 by blueasfook |
Racism against white people is clearly far less tolerable in this country.
There's a suprise eh! |
lol. You silly old honky. |  |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 11:33 - Feb 23 with 2164 views | blueasfook |
| Hypothetically speaking on 11:30 - Feb 23 by Darth_Koont |
All lives matter, right?
You’re on very solid ground and among fine, upstanding people with that opinion. |
Au contraire.
I abhor racism in any context. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 11:34 - Feb 23 with 2152 views | Darth_Koont |
| Hypothetically speaking on 11:33 - Feb 23 by blueasfook |
Au contraire.
I abhor racism in any context. |
Good for you.
Try understanding it next. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 11:36 - Feb 23 with 2127 views | blueasfook |
| Hypothetically speaking on 11:34 - Feb 23 by Darth_Koont |
Good for you.
Try understanding it next. |
Well to me a statement such as "White people love playing divide and rule. We should not play their game" is quite racist.
Would you agree? | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 11:41 - Feb 23 with 2111 views | Darth_Koont |
| Hypothetically speaking on 11:36 - Feb 23 by blueasfook |
Well to me a statement such as "White people love playing divide and rule. We should not play their game" is quite racist.
Would you agree? |
It’s not my choice of words but minorities are too frequently played off against each other thanks to a white majority that doesn’t really get affected either way.
I’d have probably said the “status quo” because even if that has largely been white in the past, there are now no shortage of minority individuals and groups who are willing to perpetuate the divide and rule as long as they come out on top. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 11:44 - Feb 23 with 2088 views | giant_stow |
| Hypothetically speaking on 11:31 - Feb 23 by noggin |
lol. You silly old honky. |
Ah you take me back to my school days in Haringay. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 11:48 - Feb 23 with 2057 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hypothetically speaking on 11:30 - Feb 23 by giant_stow |
Fair enough, you disagree, but I think my comparison stands up well. What difference would a footballer missing a few minutes make while going on holiday? Could make all the difference or none - its about commitment.
As a labour voting remainer, I never understood what you're now calling his neutrality. He was leading a pro-EU party. |
If he was vigorously campaigning for Remain and then left, never to return, your analogy might work a bit better. As it is, it's akin to an unused sub popping to the loo.
I'm not NOW calling it his neutrality. He stated it himself at the time. He said he'd let voters make their own mind up.
He didn't play the political game - which probably helped his downfall - but I admire him for sticking to his principles. Unfortunately the Great British Public didn't want a principled person in charge. So there we go. | |
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| These threads are great.... on 11:49 - Feb 23 with 2076 views | Bloots |
....the right arguing with the left, the left arguing with the right, the hard left arguing with the soft left and Dolly just arguing with anyone that will respond to him.
Lovely stuff. |  |
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