| Hypothetically speaking 10:31 - Feb 22 with 18579 views | blueasfook |
On the remote chance that labour had won the election...
I wonder what noises Comrade Corbyn would be making to the Russians over their illegal invasion of Ukraine.
He would probably side with them and wish them well. |  |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 17:17 - Feb 22 with 1042 views | MattinLondon |
| Hypothetically speaking on 17:08 - Feb 22 by Mullet |
I dunno if it's denial? Maybe it's this idea they "won" and Labour as a whole didn't as they seem intent on separatism on zealotry above all else. The fact they've handed the keys to the country to the Far Right and keep on assisting them seems totally glossed over or missed. It's hard to tell given how removed from the real world/politically illiterate they seem to be. |
To a certain extent I can see why they were jubilant- the right wing popular pressed had it in for him from the start. And considering this, they did do ok. But they still lost.
To me thsts the difference between your traditional Tory and socialist (not necessarily Labour) supporter/MP. It’s that ruthless desire to be in power. |  | | |
| Hypothetically speaking on 17:22 - Feb 22 with 1028 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm astonished that you and others are still crowing about Corbyn losing after all this time. Particularly in light of what came next. The country's absolutely fabulous now, so congrats once again. |  |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 17:27 - Feb 22 with 1009 views | MattinLondon |
| Hypothetically speaking on 17:22 - Feb 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm astonished that you and others are still crowing about Corbyn losing after all this time. Particularly in light of what came next. The country's absolutely fabulous now, so congrats once again. |
Maybe if Labour had a decent leader at the last election things might well be different. | | | |
| Hypothetically speaking on 17:32 - Feb 22 with 1005 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Hypothetically speaking on 17:22 - Feb 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm astonished that you and others are still crowing about Corbyn losing after all this time. Particularly in light of what came next. The country's absolutely fabulous now, so congrats once again. |
It’s a debate that’s been done to death on here.
Just a shame that we were given a choice of two privileged, incompetent bigots. My vote went elsewhere but is wasted without PR. |  | | |
| Hypothetically speaking on 17:34 - Feb 22 with 985 views | noggin |
| Hypothetically speaking on 17:32 - Feb 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
It’s a debate that’s been done to death on here.
Just a shame that we were given a choice of two privileged, incompetent bigots. My vote went elsewhere but is wasted without PR. |
Are you suggesting Corbyn is a bigot? |  |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 17:35 - Feb 22 with 977 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Hypothetically speaking on 17:34 - Feb 22 by noggin |
Are you suggesting Corbyn is a bigot? |
If he wasn’t/isn’t then he certainly was unlucky to have surrounded himself with them over the years. Which then leads to the other part…incompetent. | | | |
| Hypothetically speaking on 17:45 - Feb 22 with 958 views | Mullet |
| Hypothetically speaking on 17:10 - Feb 22 by noggin |
I prefer to blame those who voted for the tories, rather than the opposition. The Conservative Party was not the only alternative for those who were so easily duped into distrusting Corbyn. [Post edited 22 Feb 2022 17:13]
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There was no opposition, that's the point. They were too busy trying to purge the party and demonising their own supporter base etc.
All you've done there is further excuse Jezza and Momentum et al. He didn't lose an election, he barely turned up for one. Given what happened after, it's a clear inability to lead or handle the top job.
He handed the country to literally the worst and most incompetent leader and cabinet the Tories could muster. Just shrieking "smear!" and apologising for him no longer cuts it. There's more than just the votes in now.
He was utterly toot and due to those factors has been complicit in helping things get this far. |  |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 17:49 - Feb 22 with 946 views | bournemouthblue |
| Hypothetically speaking on 11:09 - Feb 22 by blueasfook |
Let's just say he'd be the Paul Cook of prime ministers |
Does that make Boris Paul Jewell?
I would suggest Hurst but sadly Boris has hung around a fair bit longer than that |  |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 17:54 - Feb 22 with 934 views | noggin |
| Hypothetically speaking on 17:45 - Feb 22 by Mullet |
There was no opposition, that's the point. They were too busy trying to purge the party and demonising their own supporter base etc.
All you've done there is further excuse Jezza and Momentum et al. He didn't lose an election, he barely turned up for one. Given what happened after, it's a clear inability to lead or handle the top job.
He handed the country to literally the worst and most incompetent leader and cabinet the Tories could muster. Just shrieking "smear!" and apologising for him no longer cuts it. There's more than just the votes in now.
He was utterly toot and due to those factors has been complicit in helping things get this far. |
Which of his policies were the voters so against that voting tory was preferable? Of course, we know why so many of the working class voted tory but they won't admit it. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 17:55 - Feb 22 with 928 views | noggin |
| Hypothetically speaking on 17:35 - Feb 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
If he wasn’t/isn’t then he certainly was unlucky to have surrounded himself with them over the years. Which then leads to the other part…incompetent. |
Right, so he's not a bigot but you stated is is anyway. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 17:59 - Feb 22 with 902 views | Mullet |
| Hypothetically speaking on 17:54 - Feb 22 by noggin |
Which of his policies were the voters so against that voting tory was preferable? Of course, we know why so many of the working class voted tory but they won't admit it. |
Why would it be one policy specifically, the idea that he lost on policy alone isn't really being defended is it? The idea he was a victim of smears he could do nothing about is the most problematic.
As for your last point, it's that sort of sneering dismissiveness that Corbynistas thrived on and completely missed the point on why he lost. Had he argued effectively against Brexit, fear mongering etc these ideas would hold up wouldn't they?
The idea this still needs to be explained so many years on is the best illustration of this level of denial and cluelessness that explains his dismal reign better than anything else. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 18:02 - Feb 22 with 896 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Hypothetically speaking on 17:54 - Feb 22 by noggin |
Which of his policies were the voters so against that voting tory was preferable? Of course, we know why so many of the working class voted tory but they won't admit it. |
“ we know why so many of the working class voted tory but they won't admit it.”
That’s the sort of unpleasantness that we’ve come to see from Corbyn supporters, and emphasises my point perfectly.
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| Hypothetically speaking on 18:08 - Feb 22 with 881 views | eireblue |
If we are speaking in hypotheticals,
Corby, would have caught Covid very early, from his brother, resigned due to ill health, Lisa Nandy would have won the Labour Leadership, brought the Greens into government, seen off Covid, re-united U.K. with the EU, and told Putin not to mess around with women from the North, or he would be in for a hiding.
So yea, hypothetically, could have been marvellous.
Is that the sort of thing you were looking for? |  | | |
| Hypothetically speaking on 18:11 - Feb 22 with 860 views | giant_stow |
| Hypothetically speaking on 18:02 - Feb 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“ we know why so many of the working class voted tory but they won't admit it.”
That’s the sort of unpleasantness that we’ve come to see from Corbyn supporters, and emphasises my point perfectly.
Cheers! |
Agree with you and Mullet there. The way i see it, Corbyn's labour only wanted to lead and direct, not listen or reflect the views of those it's supposed to represent. When no one followed, the sneering started. |  |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 18:18 - Feb 22 with 835 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hypothetically speaking on 17:59 - Feb 22 by Mullet |
Why would it be one policy specifically, the idea that he lost on policy alone isn't really being defended is it? The idea he was a victim of smears he could do nothing about is the most problematic.
As for your last point, it's that sort of sneering dismissiveness that Corbynistas thrived on and completely missed the point on why he lost. Had he argued effectively against Brexit, fear mongering etc these ideas would hold up wouldn't they?
The idea this still needs to be explained so many years on is the best illustration of this level of denial and cluelessness that explains his dismal reign better than anything else. |
Still unable to see anything from anyone else's POV, and a patronising superiority to go with it.
How on earth is a largely anti (at best) and smearing (at worst) press not a valid excuse? If you tie a horse's back legs together you don't then blame it for not winning the Grand National. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 18:22 - Feb 22 with 816 views | noggin |
| Hypothetically speaking on 17:59 - Feb 22 by Mullet |
Why would it be one policy specifically, the idea that he lost on policy alone isn't really being defended is it? The idea he was a victim of smears he could do nothing about is the most problematic.
As for your last point, it's that sort of sneering dismissiveness that Corbynistas thrived on and completely missed the point on why he lost. Had he argued effectively against Brexit, fear mongering etc these ideas would hold up wouldn't they?
The idea this still needs to be explained so many years on is the best illustration of this level of denial and cluelessness that explains his dismal reign better than anything else. |
The working class were hell bent on getting out and 'controlling our borders'. Better people than Corbyn told them it was a bad choice but they weren't listening. There was only ever going to be one winner and so Britain (England) has the government it deserves. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 18:22 - Feb 22 with 816 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hypothetically speaking on 17:27 - Feb 22 by MattinLondon |
Maybe if Labour had a decent leader at the last election things might well be different. |
I voted on ideas and policies. If more people engaged in that instead of gutter politics things might well have been different.
I can't be bothered with it anymore. And it's why so many are turned off by politics to this day. It's all just a stupid game. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 18:23 - Feb 22 with 810 views | noggin |
| Hypothetically speaking on 18:11 - Feb 22 by giant_stow |
Agree with you and Mullet there. The way i see it, Corbyn's labour only wanted to lead and direct, not listen or reflect the views of those it's supposed to represent. When no one followed, the sneering started. |
Well exactly. He didn't talk about taking back control of the borders. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 18:27 - Feb 22 with 789 views | Mullet |
| Hypothetically speaking on 18:22 - Feb 22 by noggin |
The working class were hell bent on getting out and 'controlling our borders'. Better people than Corbyn told them it was a bad choice but they weren't listening. There was only ever going to be one winner and so Britain (England) has the government it deserves. |
No racists are. That transcends the class divide. The fact that working class Labour voters were lost to that is down to the fact that the opposition did nothing to reassure them, or argue effectively.
Corbyn could have lost that election and been far less culpable, but he didn't and he wasn't because he was sh1te for so many reasons. Applauding that still is baffling. He and his cronies are at fault from front to back, top to bottom.
Once the diehards start acknowledging it the better. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 18:33 - Feb 22 with 767 views | noggin |
| Hypothetically speaking on 18:27 - Feb 22 by Mullet |
No racists are. That transcends the class divide. The fact that working class Labour voters were lost to that is down to the fact that the opposition did nothing to reassure them, or argue effectively.
Corbyn could have lost that election and been far less culpable, but he didn't and he wasn't because he was sh1te for so many reasons. Applauding that still is baffling. He and his cronies are at fault from front to back, top to bottom.
Once the diehards start acknowledging it the better. |
Fair enough. You got the government you deserve. Thankfully I don't have to live with it. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 18:36 - Feb 22 with 744 views | Mullet |
| Hypothetically speaking on 18:33 - Feb 22 by noggin |
Fair enough. You got the government you deserve. Thankfully I don't have to live with it. |
The idea I or anyone else "deserves" the degradation of this country in such a short amount of time is grossly offensive.
I'd be surprised if you genuinely meant that to be honest. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 18:44 - Feb 22 with 716 views | noggin |
| Hypothetically speaking on 18:36 - Feb 22 by Mullet |
The idea I or anyone else "deserves" the degradation of this country in such a short amount of time is grossly offensive.
I'd be surprised if you genuinely meant that to be honest. |
You're blaming Corbyn for the government you got, rather than the lies and media controlled xenophobia which were the true reasons. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 18:44 - Feb 22 with 715 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Hypothetically speaking on 18:36 - Feb 22 by Mullet |
The idea I or anyone else "deserves" the degradation of this country in such a short amount of time is grossly offensive.
I'd be surprised if you genuinely meant that to be honest. |
I’m sure he doesn’t, as he didn’t mean to denigrate the entire working class demographic. | | | |
| Hypothetically speaking on 18:45 - Feb 22 with 709 views | noggin |
| Hypothetically speaking on 18:44 - Feb 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I’m sure he doesn’t, as he didn’t mean to denigrate the entire working class demographic. |
Apologies, a large portion of the working class. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 18:49 - Feb 22 with 697 views | Mullet |
| Hypothetically speaking on 18:44 - Feb 22 by noggin |
You're blaming Corbyn for the government you got, rather than the lies and media controlled xenophobia which were the true reasons. |
No I'm not. Therein lies your whole dialogue's problem. The idea he /the media / Dom dom Cummings alone engineered this series of events, is the type of myopia that shows why Corbynism is so pathetically flawed and detached from reality.
It's pretty clear most decent people are disgusted by just how easy he made it for such a Tory stranglehold on this country at the worst possible time. The fact that neither of the extremes can/will see this is why this venerating of Jezza is so offensive. | |
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