| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna 17:04 - Mar 19 with 6432 views | ITFCBlues |
Not good enough is it and certainly not going to cut it next season.
20 goals in 16 games... Not good enough. Its all well and good keeping clean sheets and controlling games, but we create very little clear cut chances or chances in general.
For all the love in everyone's giving McKenna, massive improvements needed next season or we will fall short again.
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| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 18:49 - Mar 19 with 1729 views | TheBoyBlue |
But we are creating chances. Loads of them. Against teams good and bad. Our only shortcoming now is that when in front of goal we seem to lose all the composure we exhibit in every other part of the pitch.
If we can get a striker or two in who can shoot then this team would walk the league next season seeing as since McKenna came in we've displayed almost 100 points over a season form with almost no input from the strikers scoring-wise. |  |
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| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 20:10 - Mar 19 with 1679 views | AlanG296 |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 17:11 - Mar 19 by Trequartista |
You don't get more points for beating top half sides.
He has 32 points from 16 games. That's 92 points extrapolated over a season. How can anyone possibly complain? |
So that's 8 teams KM hasn't managed against yet and he got to play Gillingham twice, huge assumption to assume 2 points per game continues, and the points per game is falling anyway. | | | |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 00:32 - Mar 20 with 1630 views | BlueBadger |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 17:18 - Mar 19 by homer_123 |
Are you starting a KM 'out' shout early? |
OP is MONTHS behind Makin if he is. |  |
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| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 07:44 - Mar 20 with 1570 views | tractorboy1978 |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 20:10 - Mar 19 by AlanG296 |
So that's 8 teams KM hasn't managed against yet and he got to play Gillingham twice, huge assumption to assume 2 points per game continues, and the points per game is falling anyway. |
You're right, let's all just be miserable and see the negative in everything. Putting aside stats for a minute, if people can't see with the naked eye we look a far better side under McKenna, I give up. | | | |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 08:45 - Mar 20 with 1538 views | jayessess |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 07:44 - Mar 20 by tractorboy1978 |
You're right, let's all just be miserable and see the negative in everything. Putting aside stats for a minute, if people can't see with the naked eye we look a far better side under McKenna, I give up. |
In any case 9 games against bottom half, 7 against top half is not a wildly unrepresentative sample. Particularly when you factor in it's 9 away games and 7 homes. |  |
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| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 08:54 - Mar 20 with 1526 views | AlanG296 |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 07:44 - Mar 20 by tractorboy1978 |
You're right, let's all just be miserable and see the negative in everything. Putting aside stats for a minute, if people can't see with the naked eye we look a far better side under McKenna, I give up. |
Nobody is denying that we look a much better team than under Cook. But as you know that was not the point at issue here. However you play, only results and points matter if you want to get promoted. | | | |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 09:08 - Mar 20 with 1510 views | jayessess |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 08:54 - Mar 20 by AlanG296 |
Nobody is denying that we look a much better team than under Cook. But as you know that was not the point at issue here. However you play, only results and points matter if you want to get promoted. |
We're talking about next season, so results and points gained now don't matter at all, do they?
If Bonne's goal had stood against Pompey or McNally's header hit the post, we'd still be the same team with the same prospects. | |
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| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 09:12 - Mar 20 with 1507 views | tractorboy1978 |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 08:54 - Mar 20 by AlanG296 |
Nobody is denying that we look a much better team than under Cook. But as you know that was not the point at issue here. However you play, only results and points matter if you want to get promoted. |
32 points from 16 games and it should have been more. I don't know why you are so keen to assume we couldn't maintain that over a season under McKenna. | | | |
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| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 09:19 - Mar 20 with 1499 views | AlanG296 |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 09:08 - Mar 20 by jayessess |
We're talking about next season, so results and points gained now don't matter at all, do they?
If Bonne's goal had stood against Pompey or McNally's header hit the post, we'd still be the same team with the same prospects. |
The OP made the point that massive improvements are needed for next season. KM has improved us in many ways but we're not good enough for promotion, yet. He still has a lot to work on and he is unproven as a manager at this stage. He's not the managerial messiah, yet, that some are making him out to be based on a third of the season. | | | |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 09:35 - Mar 20 with 1481 views | jayessess |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 09:19 - Mar 20 by AlanG296 |
The OP made the point that massive improvements are needed for next season. KM has improved us in many ways but we're not good enough for promotion, yet. He still has a lot to work on and he is unproven as a manager at this stage. He's not the managerial messiah, yet, that some are making him out to be based on a third of the season. |
We're rattling along at automatic promotion form under McKenna, despite slightly under-performing our underlying stats (shots, xG etc.) so no, "massive improvements" aren't required. If we're exactly this good next season, we'll be strong contenders for promotion.
It's not about messiahs and being definitely "proven" (no manager ever is), it's about actually appreciating what you're watching. | |
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| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 09:38 - Mar 20 with 1473 views | AlanG296 |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 09:12 - Mar 20 by tractorboy1978 |
32 points from 16 games and it should have been more. I don't know why you are so keen to assume we couldn't maintain that over a season under McKenna. |
Not keen, just cautious. On form over last 10 games we're 6th, last 8 we're 8th, last 6 we're 10th. Should have? Means nothing, fact is we didn't. | | | |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 09:43 - Mar 20 with 1463 views | pointofblue |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 09:35 - Mar 20 by jayessess |
We're rattling along at automatic promotion form under McKenna, despite slightly under-performing our underlying stats (shots, xG etc.) so no, "massive improvements" aren't required. If we're exactly this good next season, we'll be strong contenders for promotion.
It's not about messiahs and being definitely "proven" (no manager ever is), it's about actually appreciating what you're watching. |
We’re currently fifth in the form table since McKenna’s arrival, so not quite good enough for automatic promotion (though this year is ridiculous in terms of accrual of points by the top teams). McKenna has done a great job since taking over but what we’ve gained at the back we’ve lost up top.
League only:
Cook - 38 goals in 20 matches (1.9 goals per match)
McKenna - 20 goals in 16 matches (1.25 goals per match) | |
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| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 11:24 - Mar 20 with 1424 views | jayessess |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 09:43 - Mar 20 by pointofblue |
We’re currently fifth in the form table since McKenna’s arrival, so not quite good enough for automatic promotion (though this year is ridiculous in terms of accrual of points by the top teams). McKenna has done a great job since taking over but what we’ve gained at the back we’ve lost up top.
League only:
Cook - 38 goals in 20 matches (1.9 goals per match)
McKenna - 20 goals in 16 matches (1.25 goals per match) |
I don't think that headline goals figure tells the whole story and I don't think anyone who watched us or played against us in that time would tell you our general attacking play was better under Cook.
The main difference between the two periods is just conversion rate. We've dropped from being the most efficient finishers in the league to one of the worst. I'd suggest that's got very little to do with the manager or the coaching, but it's just one of those things that varies in football. | |
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| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 11:32 - Mar 20 with 1409 views | itfcjoe |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 09:43 - Mar 20 by pointofblue |
We’re currently fifth in the form table since McKenna’s arrival, so not quite good enough for automatic promotion (though this year is ridiculous in terms of accrual of points by the top teams). McKenna has done a great job since taking over but what we’ve gained at the back we’ve lost up top.
League only:
Cook - 38 goals in 20 matches (1.9 goals per match)
McKenna - 20 goals in 16 matches (1.25 goals per match) |
What’s the point in talking about Goals Scored without Goals conceded along side it? |  |
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| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 11:33 - Mar 20 with 1403 views | ElephantintheRoom |
I guess you haven’t come to terms with how a league table works. The more points you get, the higher you are. It matters not one jot where those points come from - though you’re right to point out that since McKenna arrived goals have gone AWOL and Town’s like no term problem against the better teams hasn’t gone away - for the simple reason they’re not a very good side.
You don’t even need to beat a top 6 side to win the play off. Draws will do nicely IF you can take penalties | |
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| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 14:51 - Mar 20 with 1347 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 09:43 - Mar 20 by pointofblue |
We’re currently fifth in the form table since McKenna’s arrival, so not quite good enough for automatic promotion (though this year is ridiculous in terms of accrual of points by the top teams). McKenna has done a great job since taking over but what we’ve gained at the back we’ve lost up top.
League only:
Cook - 38 goals in 20 matches (1.9 goals per match)
McKenna - 20 goals in 16 matches (1.25 goals per match) |
'McKenna has done a great job since taking over but what we’ve gained at the back we’ve lost up top'
Bonne that's the answer. His shocking lack of form is the one. |  | | |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 15:03 - Mar 20 with 1322 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 11:32 - Mar 20 by itfcjoe |
What’s the point in talking about Goals Scored without Goals conceded along side it? |
Or, and call me old fashioned here, but how about matches & points won? |  |
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| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 15:08 - Mar 20 with 1307 views | itfcjoe |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 15:03 - Mar 20 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Or, and call me old fashioned here, but how about matches & points won? |
It’ll never catch on | |
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| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 15:08 - Mar 20 with 1304 views | bournemouthblue |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 17:13 - Mar 19 by waveneyblue |
Congratulations. Dick head of the weekend is yours x |
there seems to be competition for this title based a few other threads going at the moment |  |
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| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 15:13 - Mar 20 with 1296 views | pointofblue |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 14:51 - Mar 20 by Mach_foreignBlue |
'McKenna has done a great job since taking over but what we’ve gained at the back we’ve lost up top'
Bonne that's the answer. His shocking lack of form is the one. |
True, though he lost form at the tail end of Cook's time here - he scored eleven goals up to an including November 2nd under Cook, and then has only netted one more since (vs Gillingham).
Saying that, goals per game is still higher under Cook than McKenna, even if we discounted Bonne's blistering start. | |
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| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 15:19 - Mar 20 with 1288 views | jayessess |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 15:13 - Mar 20 by pointofblue |
True, though he lost form at the tail end of Cook's time here - he scored eleven goals up to an including November 2nd under Cook, and then has only netted one more since (vs Gillingham).
Saying that, goals per game is still higher under Cook than McKenna, even if we discounted Bonne's blistering start. |
Everybody's less clinical since then.
Under Cook:
Doncaster 6 goals from 11 shots.
Portsmouth 4/8
Wycombe 4/14
Cheltenham 0/17
Morecambe 1/23
Portsmouth 0/14
Oxford 1/12 | |
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| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 16:03 - Mar 20 with 1255 views | Kieran_Knows |
Grow up you berk. |  |
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| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 16:31 - Mar 20 with 1219 views | DJR |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 18:39 - Mar 19 by LegendofthePhoenix |
You don't go to games do you? The difference is night and day between what we are witnessing now and all the sh1te that has gone on for the last 15 years. If you actually go and watch us play instead of poring over the stats and points, it is obvious that we are building something that is pure class, everyone is bought in to it - management, players, fans. Our support today was phenomenal. I feel so proud to be an ITFC fan these days, and I haven't felt that since I don't know when. It was never going to be anything other than a long shot to make the Play offs after where we were when PC got sacked. What is far more important is seeing what is being built. [Post edited 19 Mar 2022 18:49]
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| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 11:32 - Mar 21 with 1124 views | tractorboy1978 |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 09:43 - Mar 20 by pointofblue |
We’re currently fifth in the form table since McKenna’s arrival, so not quite good enough for automatic promotion (though this year is ridiculous in terms of accrual of points by the top teams). McKenna has done a great job since taking over but what we’ve gained at the back we’ve lost up top.
League only:
Cook - 38 goals in 20 matches (1.9 goals per match)
McKenna - 20 goals in 16 matches (1.25 goals per match) |
Conceded:
Cook - 30 in 20 (1.5 per game)
McKenna - 6 in 16 (0.375 per game)
Which means our net position is:
Cook - +0.4 goals per game
McKenna - +0.875 goals per game
So what we've gained at the back hasn't been lost up top. Goals conceded is a greater marker for long term success anyway - you can go through the tables of any division and you won't find a team in the top 2/3 that are conceding over a goal a game on average. I believe it was Fergie that said "attack wins you games, defence wins you titles". | | | |
| 1-4-2 record against top half sides under McKenna on 12:04 - Mar 21 with 1100 views | Bluroo |
KMac has turned us into an auto-promotion form team with Cooks squad, that had not gelled in 30 games, we’re poorly coached and had more or less given up. He’s totally changed the way we play even though some of the existing players are not best suited to it. I’m sure he’d be doing even better if HE had been given the support and latitude to bin the entire squad and start again buying players perfectly meeting his vision.
Any criticism of our current performances, under the circumstances, is laughable imo.
If we’re still in Div 1 next season and KMac gets even a portion of the backing Cook enjoyed, he’ll make the necessary tweaks to this squad and we’ll be flying next season. | | | |
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