| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. 22:58 - Apr 5 with 5333 views | unstableblue |
Finish… we need a prolific striker and we need to be more aggressive and dynamic |  |
| |  |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 12:51 - Apr 6 with 1328 views | Bluedandy |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 11:52 - Apr 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
We’re 1 point further away from the playoffs than when Cook was sacked…because teams above us have now played games in hand since then. We’re also 2 points closer than when McKenna was appointed, again despite teams above having now played games in hand
Quite why some posters are falling over themselves to try and spin that McKenna is as responsible for us failing this season as Cook, when one only needs to look at their respective records to see the difference is beyond me. Well actually it isn’t, but you know |
Classic counter spin ... just make up what others say ...
Who said KM was equally responsible for us failing this season? He had no say on player signings (bar January perhaps) so it would be absurd to suggest he was.
But we have made no serious headway on the teams above us since he joined, it's not an opinion, it's a fact.
And for all the possession under KM we've drawn too many games and don't score enough.
I also think he tinkers too much, hardly beyond the pale as an observation.
Sure there's lots to like about KM and hopefully he will become Robson and Ramsey's managerial love child but at the moment the hype seems a little over done ...
For my money, the single biggest setback of the season was Leam Richardson's decision to stay at Wigan ... not sure that's anyone's failure but it certainly cost us and Cook big time. |  | | |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 13:02 - Apr 6 with 1292 views | pennblue |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 11:51 - Apr 6 by pointofblue |
I think point one is harsh. There is no doubt we have dropped points under McKenna where we really shouldn’t have done but this season is ridiculous in terms of the form of the top seven or eight sides; there is no way we should be in a position where we’ve picked up something akin to 1.98 ppg and have ended up further away from the play offs than after the win against Crewe.
Point two is bull. Whilst finishing has been issue our performances against Portsmouth, Oxford (second half) and Plymouth have been far better than anything served up under Cook. The scores may look good but the performances against Doncaster at home and Wycombe away in particular were pretty average until we scored the third / Stockdale’s error respectively. I actually think our best performance under Cook, other than maybe Portsmouth, was actually Morecambe which says it all.
In terms of point three you may have a point but are you telling me something clicked between the league games against Charlton and Sunderland? No, it was because McGreal decided to get rid of Cook’s system and try something else - something Cook had ample time to do himself and elected against, even though it’s becoming increasingly obvious that our squad suits a wing back approach. |
On point one, I am not saying McKenna 'should' have done better, I think he has done ok, but I am just pointing out that we haven't made up ground.
On point two, game is all about finishing, and this was not addressed in January transfer window. Our other issue was left back, and that has not really been addressed either, I would have preferred Penney, as he has a great delivery. No doubt a reason why our threat down the left hand side dried up in the 2nd half of the season.
Just balancing out the 'its all Cook's fault' rhetoric. | |
| |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 13:04 - Apr 6 with 1291 views | pointofblue |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 12:51 - Apr 6 by Bluedandy |
Classic counter spin ... just make up what others say ...
Who said KM was equally responsible for us failing this season? He had no say on player signings (bar January perhaps) so it would be absurd to suggest he was.
But we have made no serious headway on the teams above us since he joined, it's not an opinion, it's a fact.
And for all the possession under KM we've drawn too many games and don't score enough.
I also think he tinkers too much, hardly beyond the pale as an observation.
Sure there's lots to like about KM and hopefully he will become Robson and Ramsey's managerial love child but at the moment the hype seems a little over done ...
For my money, the single biggest setback of the season was Leam Richardson's decision to stay at Wigan ... not sure that's anyone's failure but it certainly cost us and Cook big time. |
We’ve made little headway on the teams above us but we haven’t lost ground either, which is pretty remarkable considering their remarkably consistent form over the last 18 games and the mess we were in at Charlton and Barrow. As an aside, if we continued on Cook’s trajectory in terms of ppg we’d currently be 12th, on 55 points, 17 points off the play offs.
I agree with you I think there is work to do and I am certainly not as confident as some when it comes to next season. I said elsewhere I don’t always like McKenna’s tinkering, especially post Burton and Plymouth where we put in great performances only to follow it up with limp ones after changes. But he has done a very good job here so far. | |
| |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 13:05 - Apr 6 with 1289 views | Mullet |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 12:51 - Apr 6 by Bluedandy |
Classic counter spin ... just make up what others say ...
Who said KM was equally responsible for us failing this season? He had no say on player signings (bar January perhaps) so it would be absurd to suggest he was.
But we have made no serious headway on the teams above us since he joined, it's not an opinion, it's a fact.
And for all the possession under KM we've drawn too many games and don't score enough.
I also think he tinkers too much, hardly beyond the pale as an observation.
Sure there's lots to like about KM and hopefully he will become Robson and Ramsey's managerial love child but at the moment the hype seems a little over done ...
For my money, the single biggest setback of the season was Leam Richardson's decision to stay at Wigan ... not sure that's anyone's failure but it certainly cost us and Cook big time. |
"When Kieran McKenna woke up on the morning of his first game in charge of the Blues, at home to Wycombe on December 29, his team sat 11th in the table and were 10 points off the top six while almost every side above had games in hand. "
Facts eh?
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/ipswich-town/why-towns-season-is-over-8804466
This idea McK has to be near perfect not to be criticised in his first role, without the same freedoms a veteran like Cook had is at best churlish, at worst people trying to negate their previous support of a man they refused to see as failing because he stuck it to Chambers et al.
This thread is riddled with it. |  |
| |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 13:06 - Apr 6 with 1287 views | hype313 |
Wow, I've seen some threads in my time, but the state of this. |  |
| |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 13:10 - Apr 6 with 1259 views | footers |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 13:06 - Apr 6 by hype313 |
Wow, I've seen some threads in my time, but the state of this. |
Just opened it - coffee, keyboard, etc. WTF is going on round here at the minute? As MM would say, bonkers. |  |
| |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 13:13 - Apr 6 with 1238 views | BiGDonnie |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 13:10 - Apr 6 by footers |
Just opened it - coffee, keyboard, etc. WTF is going on round here at the minute? As MM would say, bonkers. |
Do we think it's a combination of half term and the scummers being even more rubbish than what they normally are? |  |
| |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 13:13 - Apr 6 with 1235 views | pointofblue |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 13:05 - Apr 6 by Mullet |
"When Kieran McKenna woke up on the morning of his first game in charge of the Blues, at home to Wycombe on December 29, his team sat 11th in the table and were 10 points off the top six while almost every side above had games in hand. "
Facts eh?
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/ipswich-town/why-towns-season-is-over-8804466
This idea McK has to be near perfect not to be criticised in his first role, without the same freedoms a veteran like Cook had is at best churlish, at worst people trying to negate their previous support of a man they refused to see as failing because he stuck it to Chambers et al.
This thread is riddled with it. |
I think there has to be balance - McKenna will have made mistakes (as he’s human) and people should be able to discuss them without getting shut down. Pointing out that beating Cheltenham, Morecambe and Cambridge would have got us much closer to the play offs isn’t re-writing history either, so those games have affected our chances of making the top six.
But it’s then a case of taking into account the mess Cook left us in, and how McKenna has stabilised the ship and got us moving as team, even though we have clear issues which we will no doubt try and resolve over the summer. Overall he’s done a very good job, especially considering the atmosphere around the club when he arrived and this is his first job in management. | |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 13:17 - Apr 6 with 1213 views | footers |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 13:13 - Apr 6 by BiGDonnie |
Do we think it's a combination of half term and the scummers being even more rubbish than what they normally are? |
Oh, it's half-term, is it? That would explain a lot!
I'm more worried that some of these posters are Ipswich fans, just deranged ones! | |
| |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 14:10 - Apr 6 with 1160 views | Vaughan8 |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 11:52 - Apr 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
We’re 1 point further away from the playoffs than when Cook was sacked…because teams above us have now played games in hand since then. We’re also 2 points closer than when McKenna was appointed, again despite teams above having now played games in hand
Quite why some posters are falling over themselves to try and spin that McKenna is as responsible for us failing this season as Cook, when one only needs to look at their respective records to see the difference is beyond me. Well actually it isn’t, but you know |
Agredd.
Just the look at the "simple" facts:-
Cook 27 points from 20 games
McGreal - 2 points from 3 games
McKenna 35 points from 18 games.
This whole "we are 1 point more away from the playoffs as went cook left", is losing the fact McGreal took charge of 3 games and we were further behind after these games (10 points by the time McKenna took over)
Also we seem to be playing a lot better than under Cook/McGreal and dominating most games. We just can't score many which is the problem. [Post edited 6 Apr 2022 14:11]
| | | |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 14:19 - Apr 6 with 1147 views | BonneNIL |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 23:40 - Apr 5 by ArnieM |
But Cook didn’t “ leave a mess” did he! He slung out the sorry excuse of a previous squad , clearing the way for the current squad . His only real shortfall is as that he didn’t know how to get the best out of them, which was largely due to his backroom team not following him from Wigan. His record up to his Ipswich appointment is good.
We actually should be thanking Paul Cook for doing what Lambert and his predecessors didn’t have the guts to do - clear out the whole f lucking lot em ! |
The reason we did so poorly to start with was because Cook (and to be fair with Ashton and the owner's blessing) tore the team up, and signed what 20-23 players in one summer, which as proven, has been a disaster.
I also do not buy the bomb squad narrative sold by Cook as cover for the fact he took on an in-form team looking for a Playoff spot and turned it into relegation form overnight. He had resources Lambert didn't and over recruited and the end result is we have a team that's not been above 8th all season.
So no, I am not thanking Cook, the reason the previous two seasons failed were actually more complex than the players just being awful. Broadly speaking the biggest background issue was we didn't have facilities good enough to manage the injuries sustained in this league and had signed players cheaply who had a history of injury to avoid spending the money on better prospects. Huws, Judge, Keane, and so on were all unfit when we signed them. We also failed to adequately recover players like Sears. Years of Evans cutting corners led to our demise and Lambert failed to speak up about any of this until the 11th hour.
Both of those squads, on form, were much better than most in this league. In 2019-20 our failure was a mixture of injuries, and Lambert's choice to not play games when we had players away on international duty, he didn't take advantage of the initial run where we stormed the league and lost all his momentum. That was his biggest mistake, had we pushed on and played all those early games we would have had such momentum, an extra signing or two in the winter and we would have been promoted in a normal season. However, had we seen out the season, even having had that bad run, we would have made Playoffs, but as our competition voted to stop the league it never happened, but we had a ton of fixtures left a fit side would have won.
Last season's failure came down to a couple of bad decisions recruiting as much as the injury problem. We should have sold Downes and Jackson who wanted to leave as and when the offers came, they didn't want to be here and it was obvious. We should have kept Keane who was rebuilding himself and gone out of our way to retain Garbutt, who was a key part of our early success the season before. We should have used additional funds to sign a decent forward, we swapped Keane for Hawkins and Garbutt for Ward, which were two downgrades. Skuse was finished and should have been moved on.
Aside from Sears, Skuse, Chambers, and Judge who did go on to flop at Colchester, the likes of Cornell, Downes, and Dozzell are playing in the Championship, Wilson, Edwards, Lankester, and Bishop are all respectable players in this league. By comparison, the current team isn't doing better overall, I know there are variables but they haven't delivered over the season, which on paper, they should at least be in the top 5 and never have whereas the bomb squad was actually frequently up there, it was just we kept dropping out that was the issue.
It wasn't a bomb squad, it was a bum manager.
Francis Jeffers and a kitman ffs.
Our worse manager ever. |  |
| |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 14:39 - Apr 6 with 1118 views | Stu_Magoo |
This thread makes me feel nauseous. Other than that Elephant berk, I actually think the rest are ITFC fans. Scary stuff. |  |
| THIS IS DEMOC-RRRRRRR-ACY MANIFEST! |
| |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 14:45 - Apr 6 with 1108 views | Juggsy |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 23:40 - Apr 5 by ArnieM |
But Cook didn’t “ leave a mess” did he! He slung out the sorry excuse of a previous squad , clearing the way for the current squad . His only real shortfall is as that he didn’t know how to get the best out of them, which was largely due to his backroom team not following him from Wigan. His record up to his Ipswich appointment is good.
We actually should be thanking Paul Cook for doing what Lambert and his predecessors didn’t have the guts to do - clear out the whole f lucking lot em ! |
He left a collection of players that hadn't been coached properly, been pushed to the bomb squad, regularly thrown under the bus publicly and had played a single rigid system since they were all thrown together. Pretty much a mess I'd say. |  | | |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 14:48 - Apr 6 with 1104 views | pointofblue |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 13:02 - Apr 6 by pennblue |
On point one, I am not saying McKenna 'should' have done better, I think he has done ok, but I am just pointing out that we haven't made up ground.
On point two, game is all about finishing, and this was not addressed in January transfer window. Our other issue was left back, and that has not really been addressed either, I would have preferred Penney, as he has a great delivery. No doubt a reason why our threat down the left hand side dried up in the 2nd half of the season.
Just balancing out the 'its all Cook's fault' rhetoric. |
We have treaded water with eight teams who have been in superb form across the second half of the season - the only way we’ve managed it is by being in form ourselves.
I doubt anyone was saying we needed to bring in another striker in January? Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Cook tied a rock around our metaphorical ankle and threw us into the oceanic equivalent on the Grand Canyon. McKenna picked up a couple of snags on the way but we’re closer to the surface with him, so far, than we were before. | |
| |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 15:03 - Apr 6 with 1097 views | OldFart71 |
The fact of the matter is Town as a team, whoever is brought in, let go or whatever needs to learn to win ugly. We have in a way got what many desired in getting bums on seats and off them with more direct football. We are as every man and his dog said in dire need of a consistent 20 goal a season striker. But then who isn't. I think the best plan of attack is to look for a previous Championship or Premier League striker and match him up with a young up and coming guy from maybe one of the lower leagues in Spain, Italy or Holland. After all whether we like it or not Pukki was a decent pick up for the Budgies. | | | |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 15:21 - Apr 6 with 1064 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 13:02 - Apr 6 by pennblue |
On point one, I am not saying McKenna 'should' have done better, I think he has done ok, but I am just pointing out that we haven't made up ground.
On point two, game is all about finishing, and this was not addressed in January transfer window. Our other issue was left back, and that has not really been addressed either, I would have preferred Penney, as he has a great delivery. No doubt a reason why our threat down the left hand side dried up in the 2nd half of the season.
Just balancing out the 'its all Cook's fault' rhetoric. |
We have made up ground though, so your fact is nonsense
Point 2 is again an opinion and not a fact
You don’t seem to have a clue what facts are, which isn’t surprising seeing as you don’t seem to understand football either |  |
| |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 15:26 - Apr 6 with 1057 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 12:51 - Apr 6 by Bluedandy |
Classic counter spin ... just make up what others say ...
Who said KM was equally responsible for us failing this season? He had no say on player signings (bar January perhaps) so it would be absurd to suggest he was.
But we have made no serious headway on the teams above us since he joined, it's not an opinion, it's a fact.
And for all the possession under KM we've drawn too many games and don't score enough.
I also think he tinkers too much, hardly beyond the pale as an observation.
Sure there's lots to like about KM and hopefully he will become Robson and Ramsey's managerial love child but at the moment the hype seems a little over done ...
For my money, the single biggest setback of the season was Leam Richardson's decision to stay at Wigan ... not sure that's anyone's failure but it certainly cost us and Cook big time. |
We have made headway on the teams above us though, it just hasn’t been enough thanks to the huge gap that was left and the form of the those sides above. If we’d been even within touching distance when he arrived then we would be firmly in the mix now
I don’t know what more you were expecting really. Obviously a 100% record would be great but that isn’t remotely realistic - as a point of comparison his win % is in line with Klopps at Dortmund and not far behind his Liverpool record. Boooooooo | |
| |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 16:54 - Apr 6 with 1000 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 12:37 - Apr 6 by N2_Blue |
I've stopped posting on here as much recently because the negativity towards a manager that has had a brilliant half season from some posters is just pathetic and depressing.
'Some' of our fans deserve what we have done in the last 15 years - precisely nothing. The constant negativity and need to spin stats in the most negative way possible is just tiring.
I mean fancy trying to say we are further off playoffs with McKenna than when Cook was here and holding McKenna accountable is possibly the most ridiculous thing ever.
It's basically blaming a new manager for not being able to make up the deficit the previous one created. Its beyond comprehension. McKenna isn't perfect, who is, but a 55% win ratio and yet people compare to Cook. Crazy |
Yes you have a point but remember that there were the people basically and entirely blaming Lambert for the relegation. |  | | |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 17:05 - Apr 6 with 970 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 16:54 - Apr 6 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Yes you have a point but remember that there were the people basically and entirely blaming Lambert for the relegation. |
Well that definitely didn’t happen, but Mach’s gonna Mach I guess | |
| |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 17:11 - Apr 6 with 964 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 17:05 - Apr 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Well that definitely didn’t happen, but Mach’s gonna Mach I guess |
That did definitely happen and people have been claiming that Lambert had relegated us without a fight. | | | |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 17:15 - Apr 6 with 936 views | pennblue |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 15:21 - Apr 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
We have made up ground though, so your fact is nonsense
Point 2 is again an opinion and not a fact
You don’t seem to have a clue what facts are, which isn’t surprising seeing as you don’t seem to understand football either |
What a rude individual you are!
"You don’t seem to have a clue what facts are"
and
"you don’t seem to understand football either"
what on earth qualifies you as the expert round here? | |
| |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 17:28 - Apr 6 with 897 views | Funge |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 13:05 - Apr 6 by Mullet |
"When Kieran McKenna woke up on the morning of his first game in charge of the Blues, at home to Wycombe on December 29, his team sat 11th in the table and were 10 points off the top six while almost every side above had games in hand. "
Facts eh?
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/ipswich-town/why-towns-season-is-over-8804466
This idea McK has to be near perfect not to be criticised in his first role, without the same freedoms a veteran like Cook had is at best churlish, at worst people trying to negate their previous support of a man they refused to see as failing because he stuck it to Chambers et al.
This thread is riddled with it. |
Amen.
Paul Cook is an absolute lemon; look at what he's doing at Chesterfield at present Bloke is a fully, fully busted flush. He should've gone after the Bolton shambles, but hindsight and all that....
We look like we're finally facing the right way under McK, for the first time in 20 years. We need a couple of strikers, a LB and arguably a little work in midfield - I'd back McK to get this right, over the summer. |  | | |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 18:28 - Apr 6 with 817 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 16:54 - Apr 6 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Yes you have a point but remember that there were the people basically and entirely blaming Lambert for the relegation. |
Woah there.
Lambert won 4 games in 31 didn't he? Surely he has to take a very large share of blame there? |  |
| |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 18:41 - Apr 6 with 798 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 18:28 - Apr 6 by FrimleyBlue |
Woah there.
Lambert won 4 games in 31 didn't he? Surely he has to take a very large share of blame there? |
Lets not forget that the players' attitude was bad.
Lambert and the players share the blame. | | | |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 20:04 - Apr 6 with 755 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Let’s be clear Wycombe d!cked Cambridge away and parrot scored a quality.. on 17:11 - Apr 6 by Mach_foreignBlue |
That did definitely happen and people have been claiming that Lambert had relegated us without a fight. |
Lambert did oversee us getting relegated without a fight, but the number of people that blame him solely is zero. There is a rather more obvious candidate for that | |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
