| What is the point in VAR 18:27 - May 29 with 4568 views | NeedhamChris |
I wanted Forest to win this, but Huddersfield have been robbed here. |  |
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| I agree.. on 23:56 - May 29 with 751 views | unstableblue |
| I agree.. on 22:25 - May 29 by Rozz |
Are you watching a different video to the rest of us? |
Apologies video I shared didn’t show the clear lack of contact |  |
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| Mark Clattenburg view on 00:02 - May 30 with 755 views | unstableblue |
| I agree.. on 22:57 - May 29 by LankHenners |
Colback making the sign of the cross after VAR ruled it no foul was a bit of a clue as well!
Can sympathise with Moss not giving it in real time as the way Toffolo went down looked a bit forced but the footage that the VAR officials get to see made it pretty clear what had happened. |
By Mark Clattenburg for the Daily Mail
Published: 5:30 PM EDT, May 29, 2022 †Updated: 5:52 PM EDT, May 29, 2022
I understand why VAR Paul Tierney didn’t overturn Jon Moss’ decision that Harry Toffolo had dived into the penalty area.
Did Jack Colback of Forest make contact? The replays weren’t convincing, so it wasn’t an obvious and obvious mistake.
Huddersfield had more of a case with their second fine claim. | |
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| Mark Clattenburg view on 00:14 - May 30 with 733 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Mark Clattenburg view on 00:02 - May 30 by unstableblue |
By Mark Clattenburg for the Daily Mail
Published: 5:30 PM EDT, May 29, 2022 †Updated: 5:52 PM EDT, May 29, 2022
I understand why VAR Paul Tierney didn’t overturn Jon Moss’ decision that Harry Toffolo had dived into the penalty area.
Did Jack Colback of Forest make contact? The replays weren’t convincing, so it wasn’t an obvious and obvious mistake.
Huddersfield had more of a case with their second fine claim. |
The ridiculous thing was the 2nd shout wasn't deemed worthy of aproper check. |  | | |
| What is the point in VAR on 06:35 - May 30 with 665 views | Keno |
The issue isn’t VAR the issue is how it’s being applied
If a video official thinks a decision is wrong or a ref wants what’s to check something the ref show go to a screen a check it himself before making the final call. The VAR official can help and assist but the call should stay “on pitch” |  |
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| What is the point in VAR on 07:00 - May 30 with 656 views | Chrisd |
If that was us, would we have expected two penalties? Yes, without doubt. The second one was clear as day and if the referee can’t see it surely VAR should be intervening as that was clear and obvious. If that happened anywhere else on the pitch that would’ve been a free kick. | |
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| I agree.. on 07:39 - May 30 with 615 views | Churchman |
| I agree.. on 22:57 - May 29 by LankHenners |
Colback making the sign of the cross after VAR ruled it no foul was a bit of a clue as well!
Can sympathise with Moss not giving it in real time as the way Toffolo went down looked a bit forced but the footage that the VAR officials get to see made it pretty clear what had happened. |
I had forgotten that Colback did the sign of the cross after the incident. That and the look on his face suggested he thought he’d got away with one.
Hardly conclusive evidence and when it comes to it only the two players know the truth.
Regardless, I thought the result was the right one. |  | | |
| What is the point in VAR on 07:40 - May 30 with 623 views | BlueStreak |
Some of the comments in here are laughable and you can clearly see which posters have played football or not previously. Both are stone wall pens. The first one was bad enough (classic case of player just dangling his foot out tripping him) but the second one is incredible.
This isn’t VAR’s fault it is the boneheads who sit in the room watching. The level of incompetence in the English game at the moment from a standard of refereeing point of view is incredible. It needs a proper review as it is horrific at the moment. |  | | |
| I agree.. on 09:06 - May 30 with 583 views | PhilTWTD |
| I agree.. on 23:55 - May 29 by unstableblue |
Sorry that video didn’t have the main VAR angle that we watched on big TV
He did actually make contact with colbacks leg. He saw flipped it away from contact as he was exaggerating his dive. It was CMs though.
Stupid from Toffolo in fact. As the dive was such that the ref thought it a dive, and the VAR then showed no contact |
Think that's refereeing the slow-mo rather than what happened in real time, if you see what I mean. Colback stuck out a leg and Toffolo tripped over it. Whether he exaggerated the fall or not, and he was out of control enough to land awkwardly on top of the ball, it was certainly a foul.
Colback confirmed there was contact but claimed it was instigated by Toffolo, which I suppose he did to some degree whether deliberately or inadvertently as he took the ball past JC. In a nutshel, Colback stuck out a leg to tackle, missed the ball and tripped the player. Penalty.
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| What is the point in VAR on 09:13 - May 30 with 562 views | MattinLondon |
| What is the point in VAR on 07:40 - May 30 by BlueStreak |
Some of the comments in here are laughable and you can clearly see which posters have played football or not previously. Both are stone wall pens. The first one was bad enough (classic case of player just dangling his foot out tripping him) but the second one is incredible.
This isn’t VAR’s fault it is the boneheads who sit in the room watching. The level of incompetence in the English game at the moment from a standard of refereeing point of view is incredible. It needs a proper review as it is horrific at the moment. |
I only played Sunday League but from the angle on this thread that is not a clear penalty. In fact it does look like he exaggerated his dive. |  | | |
| What is the point in VAR on 09:16 - May 30 with 562 views | docklandsblue |
| What is the point in VAR on 18:51 - May 29 by PhilTWTD |
If that wasn't a penalty I'm not sure what is, to be honest. Blatant trip on a player running at pace into the area. |
Apart from anything else Jack Colback crossing himself after it wasn’t given, is a fairly clear indication he thought he got away with one! 🫣 | | | |
| What is the point in VAR on 09:20 - May 30 with 563 views | clive_baker |
I've never liked VAR. I'm of the school of thought whereby it sanitises those key moments. Goals can't truly be celebrated for fear of them being retrospectively reversed. What was previously a quick glance at the lino and check to see the refs arm pointing back to the centre spot, that was enough to spark the celebrations. Now we have to wait for a minute or 2 while some nerds analyse it to the nth degree. The argument for was always that it will ensure decisions are correct, but if it's not even doing that then what's the point? I would argue what's the point anyway, let the refs ref and what will be will be. |  |
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| What is the point in VAR on 09:29 - May 30 with 549 views | PhilTWTD |
| What is the point in VAR on 09:16 - May 30 by docklandsblue |
Apart from anything else Jack Colback crossing himself after it wasn’t given, is a fairly clear indication he thought he got away with one! 🫣 |
I didn't spot that! | | | |
| What is the point in VAR on 09:43 - May 30 with 549 views | blueasfook |
| What is the point in VAR on 09:20 - May 30 by clive_baker |
I've never liked VAR. I'm of the school of thought whereby it sanitises those key moments. Goals can't truly be celebrated for fear of them being retrospectively reversed. What was previously a quick glance at the lino and check to see the refs arm pointing back to the centre spot, that was enough to spark the celebrations. Now we have to wait for a minute or 2 while some nerds analyse it to the nth degree. The argument for was always that it will ensure decisions are correct, but if it's not even doing that then what's the point? I would argue what's the point anyway, let the refs ref and what will be will be. |
Agree. All that was needed was goal line technology where there was doubt whether the ball had crossed the goal line.
VAR is ridiculous. |  |
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| I agree.. on 10:45 - May 30 with 516 views | Garv |
| I agree.. on 09:06 - May 30 by PhilTWTD |
Think that's refereeing the slow-mo rather than what happened in real time, if you see what I mean. Colback stuck out a leg and Toffolo tripped over it. Whether he exaggerated the fall or not, and he was out of control enough to land awkwardly on top of the ball, it was certainly a foul.
Colback confirmed there was contact but claimed it was instigated by Toffolo, which I suppose he did to some degree whether deliberately or inadvertently as he took the ball past JC. In a nutshel, Colback stuck out a leg to tackle, missed the ball and tripped the player. Penalty.
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'Whether he exaggerated the fall or not, and he was out of control enough to land awkwardly on top of the ball, it was certainly a foul.'
Come on, the fall is laughable. It's 90% his own making. Instead of landing his foot on the floor and continuing his run as he was well placed to do, he flicks it backwards and chucks himself to the floor.
Absolutely no sympathy. Yeah, if it's Ipswich I'm screaming for it but that doesn't make it right. |  |
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| Mark Clattenburg view on 10:49 - May 30 with 511 views | Garv |
| Mark Clattenburg view on 00:14 - May 30 by StNeotsBlue |
The ridiculous thing was the 2nd shout wasn't deemed worthy of aproper check. |
I think the issue with that one is that the Huddersfield player makes such a bad touch and is then desperately stretching for it, and only just manages to get his leg in front of the Forest player. You could easily argue the Forest player is in possession at that point and that he's actually the one that's fouled. Really depends on how you look at it.
Tangle of legs, 50/50 - play on. | |
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| I agree.. on 11:00 - May 30 with 504 views | PhilTWTD |
| I agree.. on 10:45 - May 30 by Garv |
'Whether he exaggerated the fall or not, and he was out of control enough to land awkwardly on top of the ball, it was certainly a foul.'
Come on, the fall is laughable. It's 90% his own making. Instead of landing his foot on the floor and continuing his run as he was well placed to do, he flicks it backwards and chucks himself to the floor.
Absolutely no sympathy. Yeah, if it's Ipswich I'm screaming for it but that doesn't make it right. |
Will have to agree to strongly disagree, he is clearly clipped when running into the area at pace and is brought down, regardless of whether he makes anything of the fall. If the referee doesn't see that then VAR has to. | | | |
| What is the point in VAR on 11:01 - May 30 with 498 views | wkj |
I think VAR would be very good if it wasn't very bad. |  |
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| I agree.. on 11:20 - May 30 with 487 views | DinDjarin |
| I agree.. on 11:00 - May 30 by PhilTWTD |
Will have to agree to strongly disagree, he is clearly clipped when running into the area at pace and is brought down, regardless of whether he makes anything of the fall. If the referee doesn't see that then VAR has to. |
I thought the first in real time was stonewall and even after the replay still a pen but not a stonewall as I first thought.
The second one a pen every day of the week. Defender was wrong side of player and ball and made a lunge through the back of his calf. |  | | |
| I agree.. on 11:26 - May 30 with 477 views | Garv |
| I agree.. on 11:00 - May 30 by PhilTWTD |
Will have to agree to strongly disagree, he is clearly clipped when running into the area at pace and is brought down, regardless of whether he makes anything of the fall. If the referee doesn't see that then VAR has to. |
But he wasn't brought down? Going down was his choice. | |
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| I agree.. on 11:38 - May 30 with 464 views | PhilTWTD |
| I agree.. on 11:26 - May 30 by Garv |
But he wasn't brought down? Going down was his choice. |
Of course it wasn't. If you're clipped at that pace you're not going to be able to stay on your feet. | | | |
| I agree.. on 11:49 - May 30 with 448 views | itfcjoe |
| I agree.. on 11:00 - May 30 by PhilTWTD |
Will have to agree to strongly disagree, he is clearly clipped when running into the area at pace and is brought down, regardless of whether he makes anything of the fall. If the referee doesn't see that then VAR has to. |
Yep, he's sharply turning as well so is a bit more off balance and beats Colback and he clatters into hsi standing foot - when I'm reading Clattenburg saying lack of contact I can't believe it - was clear as day a penalty for me, as was the other one. |  |
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| I agree.. on 11:53 - May 30 with 440 views | wkj |
| I agree.. on 11:38 - May 30 by PhilTWTD |
Of course it wasn't. If you're clipped at that pace you're not going to be able to stay on your feet. |
Even at walking pace it isn't easy to stay on your feet. Used to have a kid (wasn't me) at high school that would do that crap all the time. | |
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| I agree.. on 12:02 - May 30 with 430 views | blueasfook |
| I agree.. on 10:45 - May 30 by Garv |
'Whether he exaggerated the fall or not, and he was out of control enough to land awkwardly on top of the ball, it was certainly a foul.'
Come on, the fall is laughable. It's 90% his own making. Instead of landing his foot on the floor and continuing his run as he was well placed to do, he flicks it backwards and chucks himself to the floor.
Absolutely no sympathy. Yeah, if it's Ipswich I'm screaming for it but that doesn't make it right. |
if there's contact, it's a penalty. Plain and simple. Bad refereeing (and VAR) decision. [Post edited 30 May 2022 12:03]
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| I agree.. on 12:04 - May 30 with 426 views | Garv |
| I agree.. on 12:02 - May 30 by blueasfook |
if there's contact, it's a penalty. Plain and simple. Bad refereeing (and VAR) decision. [Post edited 30 May 2022 12:03]
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Agree to disagree on that one.
Contact can't automatically mean foul, that's mad. | |
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| I agree.. on 12:06 - May 30 with 426 views | Garv |
| I agree.. on 11:38 - May 30 by PhilTWTD |
Of course it wasn't. If you're clipped at that pace you're not going to be able to stay on your feet. |
Was he running that fast?
I think you see players, albeit rarely, ride a challenge when they really want to. The footage suggests he could easily have planted his foot even after getting clipped, but he decides not to and to hit the deck. | |
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