| So this blip. 10:41 - Nov 13 with 12203 views | FrimleyBlue |
Some say it's not a blip as we re 2nd etc etc.
But.
Last 6 games. And we are 6th in form.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:league-one/form/matches:6/type:
Also note. Over 10 games. It's 3rd.
Even 12 games is 3rd.
People can talk about ppgs etc. At the moment. Our form won't be good enough for a promotion finishing position.
Something has to change and quite soon imo before it all starts going south like 2019. The money spent on this side, 6th in form isn't good enough.
Lots of shopping for Ashton etc in Jan needed. Big 6 months ahead.
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| So this blip. on 16:33 - Nov 14 with 1759 views | Metal_Hacker |
| So this blip. on 16:28 - Nov 14 by FrimleyBlue |
The difference only a month ago was that we found a way to beat certain sides. That at the time gave confidence that we could maintain our form and go one better than lamberts start and maintain a top 2 place over the course of the season. We have however shown a big weakness and the answer doesn't appear to be coming through anytime soon and that's the worry.
Games like yesterday. Very pleasing on the eye. No one. Including myself has said yesterday wasn't good football. But we still dropped 2 points only a week after doing the same in even worse circumstances.
If we get back on a run or even just show we've overcome the obvious weaknesses then there's plenty to trust the management on to get us up... but until then the trust on matchday isn't there for me as it was only a month or two ago. |
Over the course of the 18 games we average 2 goals for and 1 against - I'd take that for the remainder of the 28 games |  |
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| So this blip. on 16:42 - Nov 14 with 1724 views | clive_baker |
| So this blip. on 16:28 - Nov 14 by FrimleyBlue |
The difference only a month ago was that we found a way to beat certain sides. That at the time gave confidence that we could maintain our form and go one better than lamberts start and maintain a top 2 place over the course of the season. We have however shown a big weakness and the answer doesn't appear to be coming through anytime soon and that's the worry.
Games like yesterday. Very pleasing on the eye. No one. Including myself has said yesterday wasn't good football. But we still dropped 2 points only a week after doing the same in even worse circumstances.
If we get back on a run or even just show we've overcome the obvious weaknesses then there's plenty to trust the management on to get us up... but until then the trust on matchday isn't there for me as it was only a month or two ago. |
I think it's far too reactionary to what remains a very small sample size by way of results. 'Finding a way' to beat Derby at home for example was a ball bouncing off the post into the path of Burns. We win 1-0 and everybody goes home happy, it's very fine lines. If Camara's effort or any other of the countless chances goes in on Saturday this thread doesn't even get posted, and everyone is delighted that we've closed the gap on Plymouth.
Saturday didn't bring us the rub of the green, but it IS rare that you'll play a game and dominate so much without picking up the 3 points. People say it's not rare as it's happened more than once, I think it's important to remember not all results are born equal, and you need to look at the specific circumstances. We scored 4 away to Charlton, we're 2nd top scorers in the league (1 goal behind the top scorers), I don't think the facts support an argument that we aren't free scoring enough. Our recent issues have been some naive defending and goalkeeping and disappointing game management and decision making at the Valley where we let emotions take over, then a really soft goal conceded on Saturday and some sh1t luck in front of goal. It was a similar story against Lincoln where we've played against stubborn opposition who have largely parked the bus and we've created countless chances. I still think, at this stage, it's nothing to be overly concerned about. I dare say Man City aren't in full interrogation mode after losing at home to Brentford despite 'all their resources'.
It happens. It's bl00dy frustrating as our performances warranted more but that's the encouraging thing. It's really not comparable to the Lambert era in terms of starting strongly and choking, we got what our performances ultimately deserved under Lambert. |  |
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| Have a watch of the last 30mins of the game yesterday on ifollow on 16:55 - Nov 14 with 1681 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Have a watch of the last 30mins of the game yesterday on ifollow on 15:51 - Nov 14 by FrimleyBlue |
For a style which doesn't rely on the 9 to score all the goals, it needs much more from those behind him
Chaplin 0 in 12
harness 1 in 12
burns 2 in 12
jackson 1 in 12
edwards ( 2 in cup, 0 in league )
JJ now injured
TBH it doesn't matter if we won every game 1-0 with a defender scoring the goal. But with defensive weakness apparent, we need much better from those up the top end of the pitch. |
You have missed out:
Woolf 1 in 1
Morsy 1 in 2
Edmundson 2 in 6
Humphreys 1 in 2
We have scored 8 goals in the last 3 league matches; 20 in the last 10; 24 in the 12 you seem to have some weird concern over; 36 in 18 at a reasonably consistent 2 goals per match over any spell within them.
You are looking very hard to create an issue.
Of course, your "but if we continue to fail to gain more than 10 points from the next 6 matches" argument has some merit apart from the lack of any grounds to expect that to be the case. |  |
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| Have a watch of the last 30mins of the game yesterday on ifollow on 17:06 - Nov 14 with 1656 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Have a watch of the last 30mins of the game yesterday on ifollow on 15:51 - Nov 14 by FrimleyBlue |
For a style which doesn't rely on the 9 to score all the goals, it needs much more from those behind him
Chaplin 0 in 12
harness 1 in 12
burns 2 in 12
jackson 1 in 12
edwards ( 2 in cup, 0 in league )
JJ now injured
TBH it doesn't matter if we won every game 1-0 with a defender scoring the goal. But with defensive weakness apparent, we need much better from those up the top end of the pitch. |
1. The formation allows many players to score.
2. There are 2x 10 positions at any one time. 5 of those players are 10s. So listing them out as if they have been playing 60 games is misrepresentation.
3. Including the cup games gives a misrepresentation. Eg, against Cambridge Jackson played as a wb for 45 and then got subbed. JJ played as a striker for 45 and then got subbed. Chirewa played a full 90m.
4. So sticking to the last 12 league games. We've scored 24 goals. That would be 92 across the season.
5. In the 3 games that we dropped points in the last 6, we have scored 5, taking the lead 3 times, extending the lead 2 times. In the same games we've conceded 6 goals. Clearly the issue is conceding goals there. You shouldn't come away with 2 points from 3 games when you score 5, no matter how you divide up those goals.
6. Edwards two goals against Cambridge were in the league.
7. You can't eliminate JJ's previous goals as a 9 or a 10 just because he is now injured. He played in those games, taking minutes away from others and scored.
8. Funny how you say the formation doesn't rely on the number 9. scoring, when Ladapo has 5 goals in the past 12 games.
10. In the past 12 league games our positions have scored:
D: 3
WB: 2
M: 5
F/S: 13
og: 1
13 in our last 12 games from 3 positions is fine. |  |
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| So this blip. on 17:10 - Nov 14 with 1635 views | Kropotkin123 |
| So this blip. on 16:19 - Nov 14 by FrimleyBlue |
Except its not automatic promotion form as we are 6th in that form table.
Just because they appear to be great figures. It need not be forgotten there are other teams in this league. 1 of them 1 point behind us and actually in that automatic promotion form that you speak of.
IF we can turn these draws into wins. Then we won't have anything to worry about which will be great. |
1. We are 4= or 7 on goal difference. As we are talking about points, 4= is more representative.
2. It is possible for more than one team to in the moment have automatic promotion form or above. It is a question of who can sustain it as an average. | |
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| Have a watch of the last 30mins of the game yesterday on ifollow on 17:19 - Nov 14 with 1612 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Have a watch of the last 30mins of the game yesterday on ifollow on 16:55 - Nov 14 by Nthsuffolkblue |
You have missed out:
Woolf 1 in 1
Morsy 1 in 2
Edmundson 2 in 6
Humphreys 1 in 2
We have scored 8 goals in the last 3 league matches; 20 in the last 10; 24 in the 12 you seem to have some weird concern over; 36 in 18 at a reasonably consistent 2 goals per match over any spell within them.
You are looking very hard to create an issue.
Of course, your "but if we continue to fail to gain more than 10 points from the next 6 matches" argument has some merit apart from the lack of any grounds to expect that to be the case. |
The 12 I've used it based on that's when we slipped out of the top two on form. Alone.
And I didn't miss them out. I was referring to the 10s or other known attacking outlets I thought that was obvious by me talking about those behind the 9.
Personally don't see how you can say there's no merit to thinking our downward form may continue. It's no different to you having no merit that it will improve. The difference actually being however is the form at present isn't going in a positive direction. | |
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| Have a watch of the last 30mins of the game yesterday on ifollow on 17:29 - Nov 14 with 1606 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Have a watch of the last 30mins of the game yesterday on ifollow on 17:06 - Nov 14 by Kropotkin123 |
1. The formation allows many players to score.
2. There are 2x 10 positions at any one time. 5 of those players are 10s. So listing them out as if they have been playing 60 games is misrepresentation.
3. Including the cup games gives a misrepresentation. Eg, against Cambridge Jackson played as a wb for 45 and then got subbed. JJ played as a striker for 45 and then got subbed. Chirewa played a full 90m.
4. So sticking to the last 12 league games. We've scored 24 goals. That would be 92 across the season.
5. In the 3 games that we dropped points in the last 6, we have scored 5, taking the lead 3 times, extending the lead 2 times. In the same games we've conceded 6 goals. Clearly the issue is conceding goals there. You shouldn't come away with 2 points from 3 games when you score 5, no matter how you divide up those goals.
6. Edwards two goals against Cambridge were in the league.
7. You can't eliminate JJ's previous goals as a 9 or a 10 just because he is now injured. He played in those games, taking minutes away from others and scored.
8. Funny how you say the formation doesn't rely on the number 9. scoring, when Ladapo has 5 goals in the past 12 games.
10. In the past 12 league games our positions have scored:
D: 3
WB: 2
M: 5
F/S: 13
og: 1
13 in our last 12 games from 3 positions is fine. |
You can't eliminate JJ's previous goals as a 9 or a 10 just because he is now injured. He played in those games, taking minutes away from others and scored.
Well I can as he isn't available for selection.
Edwards. Yep my error. Misread the fixture page.. tbh I did say on sat that he should be given a run in the side.
In regards to the not relying on ladapo.. that's what the majority of the forum were saying when people had a go about ladapo.. that it's more about those behind him not him directly.
Everything can be twisted in any direction you wish to twist it. A few weeks ago the board went mad for those daring to say the defence was a problem... but now it's OK to say it's not attack is defence?
All you've done with respect is back up what my OP is all about. There is a weakness. If its not scoring goals then its defence. If its not the defence then its not scoring enough goals from the opportunities created. Either way there's a weakness. | |
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| So this blip. on 17:44 - Nov 14 with 1593 views | FrimleyBlue |
| So this blip. on 17:10 - Nov 14 by Kropotkin123 |
1. We are 4= or 7 on goal difference. As we are talking about points, 4= is more representative.
2. It is possible for more than one team to in the moment have automatic promotion form or above. It is a question of who can sustain it as an average. |
Indeed. Thanks for showing that we aren't in automatic promotion form. | |
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| So this blip. on 19:16 - Nov 14 with 1538 views | ibbleobble |
All that matters to folk on here is where we are in the league table at 4:55pm on a Saturday afternoon, nothing more, nothing less. All the talk in between and a meaningless as long as there’s a good ranking to point to as success.
You’re right to point out the slow decline. Frailties are becoming too apparent and greater talking points. Unless Plymouth’s squad takes a hit in the winter break, I think we’ll end up in the play-offs. I had Pompey and Sheff Wed at the start of the season and us to make top 4 given some slight failings in recruitment ie: no Celina or additional striker. [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 20:29]
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| So this blip. on 20:10 - Nov 14 with 1507 views | GlasgowBlue |
Without having to wade through this thread again, we are having a blip because of injuries and four key players being out of form.
Those four being Walton, Burns, Harness and Chaplin.
Our ability to see games out is poorer for the loss of Aluko and Leigh. Our midfield is lacking the creativity of Evans and the defensive option of Ball. Our leading goal scorer and flying winger from last season is a shadow of his former self. Our two goal scoring number tens are ot scoring and running around like headless chickens (Harness less so than Chaplin). And our goalie is giving away goals and points.
We need to get through this sticky period. Because when we are at full strength and in good form we are the best team in this league. |  |
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| So this blip. on 20:18 - Nov 14 with 1503 views | Bugs |
| So this blip. on 20:10 - Nov 14 by GlasgowBlue |
Without having to wade through this thread again, we are having a blip because of injuries and four key players being out of form.
Those four being Walton, Burns, Harness and Chaplin.
Our ability to see games out is poorer for the loss of Aluko and Leigh. Our midfield is lacking the creativity of Evans and the defensive option of Ball. Our leading goal scorer and flying winger from last season is a shadow of his former self. Our two goal scoring number tens are ot scoring and running around like headless chickens (Harness less so than Chaplin). And our goalie is giving away goals and points.
We need to get through this sticky period. Because when we are at full strength and in good form we are the best team in this league. |
Not sure I agree with the last Paragraph as Plymouth have proven to be a better team than us thus far. But hope you're proved right. |  | | |
| So this blip. on 20:29 - Nov 14 with 1489 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| So this blip. on 10:56 - Nov 13 by Tangledupin_Blue |
You should have a plastic sheet between your mattress and bedding. |
And a couple of Drynites at least....
(Yes, I know we shouldn't make fun of nighttime incontinence, but this is one of the biggest blubs I've ever seen..) |  |
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| So this blip. on 20:34 - Nov 14 with 1472 views | ibbleobble |
| So this blip. on 20:29 - Nov 14 by Ewan_Oozami |
And a couple of Drynites at least....
(Yes, I know we shouldn't make fun of nighttime incontinence, but this is one of the biggest blubs I've ever seen..) |
I wouldn’t class throwing away points from ten winning / comfortable positions with not even twice as many games gone as a blub. It’d be unthinkable under Mick and expected under Cook so why not debate it under McKenna? He’s not above scrutiny. [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 20:37]
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| So this blip. on 20:54 - Nov 14 with 1465 views | Dubtractor |
| So this blip. on 20:34 - Nov 14 by ibbleobble |
I wouldn’t class throwing away points from ten winning / comfortable positions with not even twice as many games gone as a blub. It’d be unthinkable under Mick and expected under Cook so why not debate it under McKenna? He’s not above scrutiny. [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 20:37]
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I think it is completely fair to have a discussion about results, and raise issues such as letting leads slip, and McKenna definitely isn't above scrutiny. I think the reason people are pushing back against the OP, and especially his follow up posts, is because it is so doom laden and takes an unnecessarily negative view of the current situation.
Our so called blip still sees us playing well and, crucially, still getting half decent results - as has been illustrated by a number of posters in this thread. It's just not reasonable to expect us to go through the season as a procession.
So yes, debate the areas we need to improve, but its probably not the time to extrapolate a couple of disappointing results into a season of disappointment!
Edit: Ten games? I make it 5 that we've failed to win after going ahead. and we've still drawn 4 of those. [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 21:05]
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| So this blip. on 21:42 - Nov 14 with 1438 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| So this blip. on 20:34 - Nov 14 by ibbleobble |
I wouldn’t class throwing away points from ten winning / comfortable positions with not even twice as many games gone as a blub. It’d be unthinkable under Mick and expected under Cook so why not debate it under McKenna? He’s not above scrutiny. [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 20:37]
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We have won 11/18 matches. It is mathematically impossible for us to have thrown away points from 10 winning positions. Have you stopped to think how we have got ourselves into those winning positions too? If we can turn around the problem we have of letting the lead slip sometimes (not all the time at all), we will (by your Maths) be getting an extra 20+ points per set of 18 matches. A return of 58 points from the next 18 and again the same rate of points from the final ten will see us on 128 points. We can even afford to throw away the lead 14 more times in our final 28 matches and still end on 100 points (on our current form). | |
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| So this blip. on 22:23 - Nov 14 with 1404 views | jayessess |
| So this blip. on 20:34 - Nov 14 by ibbleobble |
I wouldn’t class throwing away points from ten winning / comfortable positions with not even twice as many games gone as a blub. It’d be unthinkable under Mick and expected under Cook so why not debate it under McKenna? He’s not above scrutiny. [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 20:37]
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What are you on about, we gave away plenty of leads under McCarthy! 4-1 at home to Derby County? 96th minute at Carrow Road? Ring any bells?
Cook got criticised because he started poorly and got worse, never at any point building up any credit whatsoever.
McKenna gets trust and patience because he improved us last season and improved us this season. |  |
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| So this blip. on 03:18 - Nov 15 with 1343 views | Kropotkin123 |
| So this blip. on 17:44 - Nov 14 by FrimleyBlue |
Indeed. Thanks for showing that we aren't in automatic promotion form. |
Thanks for showing you don't know what automatic promotion form means. | |
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| Have a watch of the last 30mins of the game yesterday on ifollow on 03:37 - Nov 15 with 1339 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Have a watch of the last 30mins of the game yesterday on ifollow on 17:29 - Nov 14 by FrimleyBlue |
You can't eliminate JJ's previous goals as a 9 or a 10 just because he is now injured. He played in those games, taking minutes away from others and scored.
Well I can as he isn't available for selection.
Edwards. Yep my error. Misread the fixture page.. tbh I did say on sat that he should be given a run in the side.
In regards to the not relying on ladapo.. that's what the majority of the forum were saying when people had a go about ladapo.. that it's more about those behind him not him directly.
Everything can be twisted in any direction you wish to twist it. A few weeks ago the board went mad for those daring to say the defence was a problem... but now it's OK to say it's not attack is defence?
All you've done with respect is back up what my OP is all about. There is a weakness. If its not scoring goals then its defence. If its not the defence then its not scoring enough goals from the opportunities created. Either way there's a weakness. |
Well I can as he isn't available for selection
You can, but it would continue to demonstrate you inability to evaluate the form of our forwards.
Edwards. Yep my error. Misread the fixture page.. tbh I did say on sat that he should be given a run in the side.
You're confusing me with someone that cares about whether you are right about 99% of other points and someone who cares about this point specific point. I too think Edwards should have started. I think ahead of Harness. Edwards made two cracking deliveries on Saturday.
But, our forward line has been contributing enough to win games. Our defensive issues have cost us recently. Our defense conceded 6 in our first 9. It has conceded 13 in our last 9. Our attack scored 18 in our first 9 and 18 in our second 9. For me it is quite obvious what has changed, what area is underperforming, and what needs addressing.
The board is made up different people with different opinions. There will always be someone that disagrees with you. Don't take it so personally. If I recall correctly, you thought Edmundson should be replaced by Burgess. I agreed with you on that too.
I think you are above misrepresentation, which is what you have done in this thread to make your point and air your frustration. | |
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| So this blip. on 07:38 - Nov 15 with 1294 views | ibbleobble |
| So this blip. on 21:42 - Nov 14 by Nthsuffolkblue |
We have won 11/18 matches. It is mathematically impossible for us to have thrown away points from 10 winning positions. Have you stopped to think how we have got ourselves into those winning positions too? If we can turn around the problem we have of letting the lead slip sometimes (not all the time at all), we will (by your Maths) be getting an extra 20+ points per set of 18 matches. A return of 58 points from the next 18 and again the same rate of points from the final ten will see us on 128 points. We can even afford to throw away the lead 14 more times in our final 28 matches and still end on 100 points (on our current form). |
I said ten winning positions or comfortable positions: Barnsley, Lincoln, Sheff Wed, Cheltenham, Plymouth and Charlton all points dropped when in complete control of games bar maybe Plymouth. | | | |
| So this blip. on 07:40 - Nov 15 with 1291 views | ibbleobble |
| So this blip. on 22:23 - Nov 14 by jayessess |
What are you on about, we gave away plenty of leads under McCarthy! 4-1 at home to Derby County? 96th minute at Carrow Road? Ring any bells?
Cook got criticised because he started poorly and got worse, never at any point building up any credit whatsoever.
McKenna gets trust and patience because he improved us last season and improved us this season. |
…the point was how many dominant positions we’ve let slip with in a short period of concentrated games. Mick was here 6 + years. | | | |
| So this blip. on 08:30 - Nov 15 with 1267 views | Dubtractor |
| So this blip. on 07:38 - Nov 15 by ibbleobble |
I said ten winning positions or comfortable positions: Barnsley, Lincoln, Sheff Wed, Cheltenham, Plymouth and Charlton all points dropped when in complete control of games bar maybe Plymouth. |
That's another weirdly negative take isn't it?
We go ahead in almost every game we play this season - clearly teams are sometimes going to fight back and try and score against us, sometimes we'll hold on, and sometimes we won't.
And what about the other side of the coin, games like Burton or Morecambe where we had crap first halves but took control in the second half?
There are two teams on the pitch, things won't go our way every game, it seems that there are a few fans on here who are desperate to have something negative to pick at sometimes. | |
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| So this blip. on 08:52 - Nov 15 with 1205 views | jayessess |
| So this blip. on 07:40 - Nov 15 by ibbleobble |
…the point was how many dominant positions we’ve let slip with in a short period of concentrated games. Mick was here 6 + years. |
Even in his best season, 2014-15, we dropped points from winning positions fairly regularly.
Here's October 2014:
2-2 Nottingham Forest, took the lead twice, conceded an equaliser 90+4.
1-1 Blackburn, took the lead, conceded an equaliser 90+3 against ten men.
1-3 Cardiff, took the lead, conceded 3 times.
2-2 Huddersfield, took a 2-0 lead.
That's 9 points dropped in one month, our tally for the season is 11 (Sheffield Wednesday and Plymouth have both dropped 9) | |
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| So this blip. on 08:59 - Nov 15 with 1189 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Ive got news for you. The season ends in May - not November.
Two things to replace the toys you are throwing out of your pram.,…
1. Results come in clusters - good, bad or indifferent. It’s the same for all teams
2. Towns early games were against the weaker teams. Slightly stronger opposition means occasional disappointment for those who expecting to win every game.
And one to give you a nervous breakdown….
1. Town are ‘in touch with the play offs’. And when and if they finish 3rd, top six opponents await. | |
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| So this blip. on 11:15 - Nov 15 with 1115 views | DecageBruce |
A lot of this appears to be about individual mindsets. The OP seems to have a default negative mindset that chooses to concentrate on, and provide, negative aspects and stats in the face of far more long term positive stats and trends.
If after the next 10 games the results of the last 2-3 games have continue to transpose and the in games stats and performances have dropped then, for me, there is obvious cause for concern and these types of conversations but, and I will remain polite, to jump to such a negative outlook after some recent bad results (not necessarily performances) really is a view based on an underlying negative approach to life and expectations |  | | |
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), but I don't think overall there's cause to panic as it stands.