| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. 20:07 - Dec 18 with 9881 views | SitfcB |
..c*%#s there is.
Love to see it [Post edited 18 Dec 2022 20:45]
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| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 22:19 - Dec 18 with 2176 views | factual_blue |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 21:03 - Dec 18 by Bobsthename |
I see your blind to the obvious doesn’t matter who listens to his bile it’s just wrong and should be aired on a sports programme. |
You see his blind.
Are you outside Sitters' home, in a disturbing, stalky sort of way?
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| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 22:22 - Dec 18 with 2177 views | factual_blue |
Possibly the most disturbing thing there is that lee anderson MP appears to believe a banned list is normal.
And probably tory policy, come to think of it. | |
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| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 22:28 - Dec 18 with 2156 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 22:05 - Dec 18 by BloomBlue |
Gary Neville the epitome of a hypocrite, while pointing his left hand out and shouting his right hand is pulling his back pocket out wide enough to make sure all that Qatari money he's being paid can fit into his pocket.
Workers rights, rights for women etc irrelevant for Neville if the Qataris pay enough, Neville is as corrupt as anyone he accuses. All he's trying to do is deflect his corruption, I think the young people call it whataboutery |
Would you apply the same logic to Marcus Rashford? Do you have to be poor to speak up for social justice? |  |
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| Not for me.... on 22:34 - Dec 18 with 2131 views | Zapers |
| Not for me.... on 20:27 - Dec 18 by Bloots |
....I accept that I'm in the minority, but I think he's the worst type of hypocrite. |
Totally agree. |  | | |
| Not for me.... on 22:39 - Dec 18 with 2134 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Not for me.... on 22:34 - Dec 18 by Zapers |
Totally agree. |
Because? | |
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| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 23:14 - Dec 18 with 2082 views | BlueBadger |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 21:49 - Dec 18 by ghostofescobar |
Bvllsh1t, absolute tosh. People with a platform should use it to call out things that are fundamentally wrong. Who would listen to you? Nobody. Who would listen to me? Even less than nobody. If you disagree with what he said, fine. What he said is moral as much as political. And the other argument in this thread seems to be that if you’ve made some money, you are excluded from airing your view. So the natural conclusion there is that no one who has made some money should ever be able to share their views? Where does that end? Just cos you have some money in the bank doesn’t always mean you are a self serving charlatan. |
One of the most interesting aspects of this world Cup has been seeing the sort of people who'd normally be falling over themselves to have a go at 'the Muslims' for backward practices being quite happy to defend the backwards practices of the Qatari government because some football has been happening. |  |
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| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 00:10 - Dec 19 with 2029 views | factual_blue |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 21:36 - Dec 18 by jeera |
Is English your first language? |
Probably Albanian. | |
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| Love the irony of him.... on 01:45 - Dec 19 with 2000 views | BlueBadger |
| Love the irony of him.... on 20:16 - Dec 18 by Bloots |
....calling anyone a charlatan, pretending to "champion" human rights while being paid by Qatari national TV.
And demanding an independent regulator in football whilst constantly over funding his own team?
The man's a knobhead. |
Looks suspiciously like 'calling out' here, Blootsy. Didn't think you liked people doing that. | |
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| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 06:37 - Dec 19 with 1946 views | jeera |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 22:05 - Dec 18 by BloomBlue |
Gary Neville the epitome of a hypocrite, while pointing his left hand out and shouting his right hand is pulling his back pocket out wide enough to make sure all that Qatari money he's being paid can fit into his pocket.
Workers rights, rights for women etc irrelevant for Neville if the Qataris pay enough, Neville is as corrupt as anyone he accuses. All he's trying to do is deflect his corruption, I think the young people call it whataboutery |
We have no idea what Neville does with all his money.
For all we know he takes their cash and pours X amount into good causes. |  |
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| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 08:41 - Dec 19 with 1866 views | itfcjoe |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 21:13 - Dec 18 by Swansea_Blue |
Wrong that people shouldn’t be exploited? I disagree. The comment about Qatar was relevant to this tournament, so nobody should have a problem with that. Bringing it back to the UK was more political, so it’s arguable as to whether it was appropriate (but whether appropriate or not he was also right, and why shouldn’t there be a supportive voice in our media for the nurses to counter all the normal bile?). |
When we've had World Cups during the Argentinina Junta, in Putin's Russia and now in a Middle Eastern microstate surely people can't claim that sports and politics shouldn't mix?
They are mixed, they are totally intertwined, it's why we have just had a World Cup in Qatar in December.......so they can remind the world they are there in between Saudi Arabia and Iran and fearful of them |  |
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| What he's saying isn't wrong.... on 08:42 - Dec 19 with 1866 views | itfcjoe |
| What he's saying isn't wrong.... on 21:28 - Dec 18 by Bloots |
....he's just the wrong person to be saying it.
Anyone that wants to look past all the bluster will see that he lacks any real credibility.
IMHO obviously. |
It's always very easy to attack the messenger rather than the message, especially for those on the left when they are making the argument | |
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| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 08:44 - Dec 19 with 1870 views | itfcjoe |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 22:05 - Dec 18 by BloomBlue |
Gary Neville the epitome of a hypocrite, while pointing his left hand out and shouting his right hand is pulling his back pocket out wide enough to make sure all that Qatari money he's being paid can fit into his pocket.
Workers rights, rights for women etc irrelevant for Neville if the Qataris pay enough, Neville is as corrupt as anyone he accuses. All he's trying to do is deflect his corruption, I think the young people call it whataboutery |
Yes it certainly is whataboutery on display.
Do you think accepting money for doing a job is corruption though? | |
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| Not for me.... on 08:55 - Dec 19 with 1829 views | GeoffSentence |
| Not for me.... on 20:27 - Dec 18 by Bloots |
....I accept that I'm in the minority, but I think he's the worst type of hypocrite. |
Why? |  |
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| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 09:00 - Dec 19 with 1829 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 08:41 - Dec 19 by itfcjoe |
When we've had World Cups during the Argentinina Junta, in Putin's Russia and now in a Middle Eastern microstate surely people can't claim that sports and politics shouldn't mix?
They are mixed, they are totally intertwined, it's why we have just had a World Cup in Qatar in December.......so they can remind the world they are there in between Saudi Arabia and Iran and fearful of them |
“ so they can remind the world they are there in between Saudi Arabia and Iran and fearful of them”
Lol.
Nothing to do with shameless self promotion, and a realisation that 75pc of exports being fossil fuels looks a bit of a shaky economic model going forwards? | | | |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 09:06 - Dec 19 with 1820 views | DJR |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 20:49 - Dec 18 by Bobsthename |
Football should be kept apart from politics Neville is out of order trying to preach politics on a football show no wonder a lot of fans are turning into snowflakes.
It’s just wrong. |
It's a free country, so footballers and ex-footballers should in principle be allowed to take or express whatever views they want. Similarly, on a football programme in Qatar, it is perfectly acceptable to discuss human rights etc, given the general controversy and the protests or attempted protests by, say, the FA about LGBT+ rights. But Neville was completely wrong to use this platform to criticise the Tory government, and to my mind showed both arrogance and a lack of judgment in doing so.
However you do your case no good by referring to the derogative term snowflake. A snowflake is someone who is easily offended, but those who denounce snowflakes are themselves snowflakes because they are so easily offended themselves. Live and let live is my philosophy, with no need to revert to abuse of people we disagree with. [Post edited 19 Dec 2022 9:11]
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| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 09:09 - Dec 19 with 1809 views | itfcjoe |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 09:00 - Dec 19 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“ so they can remind the world they are there in between Saudi Arabia and Iran and fearful of them”
Lol.
Nothing to do with shameless self promotion, and a realisation that 75pc of exports being fossil fuels looks a bit of a shaky economic model going forwards? |
There is obviously that as well, but they live ina fear that one of their warring neighbours will just swallow them up.
So they have to become more known, it's why everyone in the world will have heard of Qatar now, previously through smaller events, and Bein.....and going forwards via the Olympics which they'll surely get | |
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| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 09:34 - Dec 19 with 1777 views | StokieBlue |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 09:09 - Dec 19 by itfcjoe |
There is obviously that as well, but they live ina fear that one of their warring neighbours will just swallow them up.
So they have to become more known, it's why everyone in the world will have heard of Qatar now, previously through smaller events, and Bein.....and going forwards via the Olympics which they'll surely get |
How would Iran swallow up Qatar?
They are separated by the gulf and there is no way Saudi Arabia would allow an Iranian foothold on the peninsula.
Saudi Arabia and Qatar did have a spat post 2017 (before that Qatar contributed troops to the war in Yemen) but relations are back up as are trade agreements.
It's an attempt to sportswash a pretty horrible regime, I think that is the main driving factor. We will likely see Saudi Arabia go for major sporting events now it's been shown by Russia and Qatar to be fairly easy to get them.
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| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 09:34 - Dec 19 with 1777 views | brazil1982 |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 09:09 - Dec 19 by itfcjoe |
There is obviously that as well, but they live ina fear that one of their warring neighbours will just swallow them up.
So they have to become more known, it's why everyone in the world will have heard of Qatar now, previously through smaller events, and Bein.....and going forwards via the Olympics which they'll surely get |
Qatar will have to wait at least 18 years to host the Olympics when I suspect they will have to compete with a bid, or joint bid, from Dubai. Saudi will be after it too. I'll be retired by then* which is a scary thought.
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| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 09:47 - Dec 19 with 1766 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 09:06 - Dec 19 by DJR |
It's a free country, so footballers and ex-footballers should in principle be allowed to take or express whatever views they want. Similarly, on a football programme in Qatar, it is perfectly acceptable to discuss human rights etc, given the general controversy and the protests or attempted protests by, say, the FA about LGBT+ rights. But Neville was completely wrong to use this platform to criticise the Tory government, and to my mind showed both arrogance and a lack of judgment in doing so.
However you do your case no good by referring to the derogative term snowflake. A snowflake is someone who is easily offended, but those who denounce snowflakes are themselves snowflakes because they are so easily offended themselves. Live and let live is my philosophy, with no need to revert to abuse of people we disagree with. [Post edited 19 Dec 2022 9:11]
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Neville made the comparison that our Government is far from perfect and, if you object to injustices in Qatar you ought to object to it in this country too. How is that "completely wrong"? |  |
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| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 09:54 - Dec 19 with 1744 views | DJR |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 09:47 - Dec 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Neville made the comparison that our Government is far from perfect and, if you object to injustices in Qatar you ought to object to it in this country too. How is that "completely wrong"? |
I don't have an issue with what he said, it's the place he said it I object to. He can say what he likes on Twitter or a news programme but I don't think a football programme is the place for such views.
EDIT: It certainly hasn't gone down well amongst Mail readers, if the best-rated comments on the following article are anything to go by.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fifa-world-cup/article-11552275/ITV-disowns-Ga [Post edited 19 Dec 2022 10:01]
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| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 10:03 - Dec 19 with 1738 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 09:47 - Dec 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Neville made the comparison that our Government is far from perfect and, if you object to injustices in Qatar you ought to object to it in this country too. How is that "completely wrong"? |
Taking aside Neville's hypocrisy for taken money from Qatar state owned sports TV, he is a paid up member if the Labour party who actively campaigns for a Labour government. He's used his position as a pundit to deliver a political message aimed at his political opponents. Regardless of him being right.
Had that very same message been delivered by somebody who is politically neutral, like Marcus Rashford, then I'd have no issue with it. Rashford has achieved far more than Neville by staying out of party politics and actually forced the government into making changes that he campaigned for.
To add, I'd be equally uncomfortable for a paid up member of the Tory party doing the same of we had a Labour government. |  |
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| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 10:12 - Dec 19 with 1723 views | iamatractorboy |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 09:54 - Dec 19 by DJR |
I don't have an issue with what he said, it's the place he said it I object to. He can say what he likes on Twitter or a news programme but I don't think a football programme is the place for such views.
EDIT: It certainly hasn't gone down well amongst Mail readers, if the best-rated comments on the following article are anything to go by.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fifa-world-cup/article-11552275/ITV-disowns-Ga [Post edited 19 Dec 2022 10:01]
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I can see why he said it because a standard response to people criticising other countries on these matters seems to be "well our country does X, Y, Z bad things" so I assume he was pre-empting that. That being said, I have been very disappointed with GN's hypocrisy in accepting the Qatar money whilst at the same time decrying their treatment of migrants, homosexuality etc. | | | |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 10:31 - Dec 19 with 1660 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 10:03 - Dec 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Taking aside Neville's hypocrisy for taken money from Qatar state owned sports TV, he is a paid up member if the Labour party who actively campaigns for a Labour government. He's used his position as a pundit to deliver a political message aimed at his political opponents. Regardless of him being right.
Had that very same message been delivered by somebody who is politically neutral, like Marcus Rashford, then I'd have no issue with it. Rashford has achieved far more than Neville by staying out of party politics and actually forced the government into making changes that he campaigned for.
To add, I'd be equally uncomfortable for a paid up member of the Tory party doing the same of we had a Labour government. |
I haven't seen more than the short clip posted here but it appears that he is answering a question about the injustices in Qatar. I am a little confused as to why it would be fine if he didn't pay a sub to be a member of the Labour Party. Surely, that is a result of holding the views he holds. He isn't gaining anything personally by promoting them. If he somehow would gain financially personally from promoting his view I would be able to see your point.
Effectively, you seem to be saying that if Neville stopped paying a Labour Party membership fee he can say what he wants but because he pays one he should be censored. | |
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| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 10:43 - Dec 19 with 1648 views | DJR |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 10:03 - Dec 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Taking aside Neville's hypocrisy for taken money from Qatar state owned sports TV, he is a paid up member if the Labour party who actively campaigns for a Labour government. He's used his position as a pundit to deliver a political message aimed at his political opponents. Regardless of him being right.
Had that very same message been delivered by somebody who is politically neutral, like Marcus Rashford, then I'd have no issue with it. Rashford has achieved far more than Neville by staying out of party politics and actually forced the government into making changes that he campaigned for.
To add, I'd be equally uncomfortable for a paid up member of the Tory party doing the same of we had a Labour government. |
I still don't think a message about UK politics, whoever the messenger, is appropriate for a football programme.
We must also not forget that footballers aren't generally known for their political nous. And do we really want, say, Brenner asking Kayden Jackson for his views on anarcho-syndicalism? | | | |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 11:03 - Dec 19 with 1599 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Gary Neville giving it to one of the biggest Tory.. on 10:31 - Dec 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I haven't seen more than the short clip posted here but it appears that he is answering a question about the injustices in Qatar. I am a little confused as to why it would be fine if he didn't pay a sub to be a member of the Labour Party. Surely, that is a result of holding the views he holds. He isn't gaining anything personally by promoting them. If he somehow would gain financially personally from promoting his view I would be able to see your point.
Effectively, you seem to be saying that if Neville stopped paying a Labour Party membership fee he can say what he wants but because he pays one he should be censored. |
He’s not just a sub paying member. He’s campaigned alongside Starmer and spoken at conference.
Most people would be apoplectic if a high profile Tory did the same. He used a captive audience to deliver a political message. That doesn’t sit right with me no matter which side of the political divide they come from.
And he didn’t limit his comments to the situation in Qatar. He broadened them to the current strikes in the UK. [Post edited 19 Dec 2022 11:05]
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