| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:24 - Jan 4 with 3104 views | textbackup |
I’m not surprised in the slightest.
There were 9 separate posts about them and/or Whittaker on here lastnight.
The fact they are points clear of us, being a club operating on a loan only system for that success, says to me that our supporters need to concentrate far more on our failings.
With all the money with having backing us now, it’s tinpot we should care so much about Plymouth.
And fwiw, I like them, had a brilliant weekend down there for away game, and the fans I spoke with were brilliant, and very complimentary about us. Our online (Twitter) support has made us look embarrassing IMO |  |
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| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:27 - Jan 4 with 3065 views | SamWhiteUK |
| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:19 - Jan 4 by pafcprogs |
Here is my take....
We don't hate Ipswich....and we don't lame you for wanting to take a very good player if he is available.....we do find it a little bit odd that there are about thirteen different threads on your forum obsessing about the players we have on loan...seven would have been plenty...our 49 pages are all four or so threads we managed merged...
The club getting the negs from us right now is Swansea....it seems pretty clear that MW wanted to stay and also that the manager jas no desire to play him ...so this is a case of monetising an asset.
Thyat said as we saw last season with Ryan Broom Posh wanted to sell him during his loan to us but he simply refused the deal....so the Swans might (and it is a might) end up with a player who doesn't especially want to play for them right now or be sold as he has a good contract declining to move....so then they have. an expensive bench warmer that might not even make the bench
What we have right now is a spare loan place we can utilise if MW isn't coming back.....and potentially who knows who we might sign...right now we look like a safe place to send young talent to develop...
It is. along four weeks to the end of the window so plenty of time for this to evolve....
In the interim we have signed two players already , both young and hungry that fit the mould for our owners model.
We think all the loan deals we have have early recall deadlines in them which is why the Swans had to trigger the recall so it looks like this is the owners trying to cash in....but as I say he doesn't have to mobve....he might....or he might decide he wants to fight for a place a dn review in the summer.
Adds a bit if spice but I would be surprised if he lines up against us Saturday week , even if he signs eventually....
As for who he might go to , I can't see a L1 club apart from you or the Wendies ( and probably not the Wendoies having the cash...which means a Championship side or a premier side who might hover him up and the loan him out again.....plus the Swans need cash nor cancelled debt apparently to invest in new players the manager does want....
Most of the post are wishing MW well and thanking him for his time with us....and hoping Derby win in the cup which gives his another blank weekend to get Azaz back into the team after his injury.
It is a blow but that's why we have a squad....
Ciao for now :) |
"I do get itchy teeth by the sheer arrogance of Ipswich.
Maybe if they pumped that ‘spare’ £2million into some data analytics with some worth while recruitment setup they wouldn’t need to be so desperate in there squad strength.
It’s a typical ‘big boy’ attitude of just buying players and getting lucky with some. If they had the noice of actually putting some effort into what they need and what they want maybe there team would have been more successful.
Fwiw I would t swap our setup up with there’s. Our success is through hard work with good people. There’s is through money and desperation."
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| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:27 - Jan 4 with 3057 views | itfctilidie |
| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 07:24 - Jan 4 by SaigonTractor |
We're not irresponsibly gambling like Derby were, but it was definitely frustrating watching us try to do things the "right" way under Evans only to scrape the playoffs one season playing awful football while everyone else spent ridiculous amounts.
I imagine that's what some Plymouth fans feel like now. |
It's impossible to say this without sounding arrogant but anyway, it was frustrating watching derby do it in the championship whilst we pondered away because we are Ipswich town and we should have been doing considerably better than we were at the time.
This is now the mighty Plymouth Argyle we are talking about. They should enjoy it while it lasts because it will end, it might end up with a promotion this year but fact is that sooner or later they will be back at the bottom end of this tabke/top to mid table 9f league 2 in a few years |  | | |
| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:28 - Jan 4 with 3056 views | TractorCam |
| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:01 - Jan 4 by BlueBlood90 |
I can't blame them when you look at some of our embarrassing fans piling in on all their social media platforms. |
I guess the younger fans are starved of rivalries with games against Norwich being a distant memory, but every time I see some fans on twitter going at Plymouth, Accrington etc I get that little more embarrassed. Shows how far we've fallen really. |  |
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| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:34 - Jan 4 with 3002 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:19 - Jan 4 by pafcprogs |
Here is my take....
We don't hate Ipswich....and we don't lame you for wanting to take a very good player if he is available.....we do find it a little bit odd that there are about thirteen different threads on your forum obsessing about the players we have on loan...seven would have been plenty...our 49 pages are all four or so threads we managed merged...
The club getting the negs from us right now is Swansea....it seems pretty clear that MW wanted to stay and also that the manager jas no desire to play him ...so this is a case of monetising an asset.
Thyat said as we saw last season with Ryan Broom Posh wanted to sell him during his loan to us but he simply refused the deal....so the Swans might (and it is a might) end up with a player who doesn't especially want to play for them right now or be sold as he has a good contract declining to move....so then they have. an expensive bench warmer that might not even make the bench
What we have right now is a spare loan place we can utilise if MW isn't coming back.....and potentially who knows who we might sign...right now we look like a safe place to send young talent to develop...
It is. along four weeks to the end of the window so plenty of time for this to evolve....
In the interim we have signed two players already , both young and hungry that fit the mould for our owners model.
We think all the loan deals we have have early recall deadlines in them which is why the Swans had to trigger the recall so it looks like this is the owners trying to cash in....but as I say he doesn't have to mobve....he might....or he might decide he wants to fight for a place a dn review in the summer.
Adds a bit if spice but I would be surprised if he lines up against us Saturday week , even if he signs eventually....
As for who he might go to , I can't see a L1 club apart from you or the Wendies ( and probably not the Wendoies having the cash...which means a Championship side or a premier side who might hover him up and the loan him out again.....plus the Swans need cash nor cancelled debt apparently to invest in new players the manager does want....
Most of the post are wishing MW well and thanking him for his time with us....and hoping Derby win in the cup which gives his another blank weekend to get Azaz back into the team after his injury.
It is a blow but that's why we have a squad....
Ciao for now :) |
You have also apparently had a bid turned down for Knibs (Cambridge Utd).
As a matter of interest how are ticket sales going your end, any chance some will be released by Town for home fans. Something like 26,000 already sold, incidentally our home gates are probably 5,000 above the budgeted figure which increases the money available for new players. |  |
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| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:36 - Jan 4 with 2987 views | SitfcB |
| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:34 - Jan 4 by Pinewoodblue |
You have also apparently had a bid turned down for Knibs (Cambridge Utd).
As a matter of interest how are ticket sales going your end, any chance some will be released by Town for home fans. Something like 26,000 already sold, incidentally our home gates are probably 5,000 above the budgeted figure which increases the money available for new players. |
ITFC said they’ve taken their full allocation so assume sold out, so no block E for us. |  |
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| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:41 - Jan 4 with 2937 views | MattinLondon |
Social media can give a totally inaccurate impression of things, this Plymouth and Ipswich thing being one of them.
When you break it down, the parent club has recalled a player with the possible intention of making him available for transfer. Other club(s) becomes interested. Boo-hoo hoo, that’s not uncommon.
Think most Plymouth and Ipswich fans will get on and actually think this ‘rivalry’ is complete arse. |  | | |
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| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:42 - Jan 4 with 2932 views | MattinLondon |
We’re only in L1 due to arrogance? | | | |
| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:45 - Jan 4 with 2893 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 08:56 - Jan 4 by SitfcB |
It’s a 49 page thread which started Sunday and is still going, I’d say over 50% of the posts in it mention Ipswich.
There’s a couple of posts from them literally saying there’s now a rivalry between them and us. [Post edited 4 Jan 2023 9:00]
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I looked at the first 2 pages as that’s what the OP quoted, along with their forum in general, both of which were nonsense
I’ve just now flicked through the first 10 pages, plus the last 5, and again it’s nowhere near half of posts that mention us, and the majority that do are just in the context of Whittaker with very few slagging is off, and the one post I saw about a rivalry was about us being rivals in the league this season. Of course there are a couple of loons but hardly an obsession |  |
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| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:48 - Jan 4 with 2861 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 08:32 - Jan 4 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
That thread is from Sunday and is about a player they had on loan being recalled. Looking at the first 2 pages over half of the posts don’t even mention us, and of those that do there are only 8 or 9 which are moaning about us which is in the context of us being interested in said player. 2 or 3 of the posts are complimentary of us
But carry on trying to create a non-existent rivalry with err, Plymouth, if it makes you feel better |
Firstly, what’s your problem? Chill out.
Secondly, there is no rivalry. We are Ipswich? They are Plymouth? We’re hundreds of miles apart.
Thirdly, the vast majority of that thread, and a fair few others mention us. And the majority of the mentions are hugely negative. |  |
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| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:54 - Jan 4 with 2808 views | clive_baker |
Can't be arsed to read through that but it's all a bit weird. There's no rivalry, just 1 football club trying to buy a player that another club had on loan from another club. There's not much more to it, and if you rely on taking loanees then it's always a risk that you'll have less control over their destiny. |  |
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| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:54 - Jan 4 with 2802 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:48 - Jan 4 by The_Romford_Blue |
Firstly, what’s your problem? Chill out.
Secondly, there is no rivalry. We are Ipswich? They are Plymouth? We’re hundreds of miles apart.
Thirdly, the vast majority of that thread, and a fair few others mention us. And the majority of the mentions are hugely negative. |
But again that’s complete nonsense, as just looking at their forum and flicking through that thread shows | |
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| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:55 - Jan 4 with 2795 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:27 - Jan 4 by SamWhiteUK |
"I do get itchy teeth by the sheer arrogance of Ipswich.
Maybe if they pumped that ‘spare’ £2million into some data analytics with some worth while recruitment setup they wouldn’t need to be so desperate in there squad strength.
It’s a typical ‘big boy’ attitude of just buying players and getting lucky with some. If they had the noice of actually putting some effort into what they need and what they want maybe there team would have been more successful.
Fwiw I would t swap our setup up with there’s. Our success is through hard work with good people. There’s is through money and desperation."
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Yes in a thread of posts, this one did stand out as being the biggest embarrassment. I happen to think since McKenna came in, our recruitment has been excellent. To suggest that we are where we are this year from luck is laughable but the icing on the cake is that last sentence. | |
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| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:56 - Jan 4 with 2776 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:54 - Jan 4 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
But again that’s complete nonsense, as just looking at their forum and flicking through that thread shows |
Have you read the thread? It’s a huge majority that mention us and an even higher majority of those mentions being negative. And for what? We literally have no rivalry with Plymouth whatsoever and yet for whatever reason they dislike us. Whereas I’m sure most of our fans would prefer them to Sheffield Wednesday to get promoted (alongside us of course). | |
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| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 10:00 - Jan 4 with 2723 views | SitfcB |
| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:54 - Jan 4 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
But again that’s complete nonsense, as just looking at their forum and flicking through that thread shows |
Are you reading the same thread? | |
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| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 10:01 - Jan 4 with 2718 views | Dyland |
It's actually quite embarrassing we have so many threads about one of their loan players. And some of our social media footprint, on Twitter in particular, seems to be very embarrassing indeed. Keyboard warrior heaven. I don't know if every club is the same, but at a guess some of our more vocal internet idjuts are being a bit Leeds. Another embarrassingly entitled and clueless bunch (caveat... the Leeds fans I know in real life are alright and know their footy, i.e. are knowledgeable about ITFC). |  |
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| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 10:20 - Jan 4 with 2612 views | Guthrum |
| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:19 - Jan 4 by pafcprogs |
Here is my take....
We don't hate Ipswich....and we don't lame you for wanting to take a very good player if he is available.....we do find it a little bit odd that there are about thirteen different threads on your forum obsessing about the players we have on loan...seven would have been plenty...our 49 pages are all four or so threads we managed merged...
The club getting the negs from us right now is Swansea....it seems pretty clear that MW wanted to stay and also that the manager jas no desire to play him ...so this is a case of monetising an asset.
Thyat said as we saw last season with Ryan Broom Posh wanted to sell him during his loan to us but he simply refused the deal....so the Swans might (and it is a might) end up with a player who doesn't especially want to play for them right now or be sold as he has a good contract declining to move....so then they have. an expensive bench warmer that might not even make the bench
What we have right now is a spare loan place we can utilise if MW isn't coming back.....and potentially who knows who we might sign...right now we look like a safe place to send young talent to develop...
It is. along four weeks to the end of the window so plenty of time for this to evolve....
In the interim we have signed two players already , both young and hungry that fit the mould for our owners model.
We think all the loan deals we have have early recall deadlines in them which is why the Swans had to trigger the recall so it looks like this is the owners trying to cash in....but as I say he doesn't have to mobve....he might....or he might decide he wants to fight for a place a dn review in the summer.
Adds a bit if spice but I would be surprised if he lines up against us Saturday week , even if he signs eventually....
As for who he might go to , I can't see a L1 club apart from you or the Wendies ( and probably not the Wendoies having the cash...which means a Championship side or a premier side who might hover him up and the loan him out again.....plus the Swans need cash nor cancelled debt apparently to invest in new players the manager does want....
Most of the post are wishing MW well and thanking him for his time with us....and hoping Derby win in the cup which gives his another blank weekend to get Azaz back into the team after his injury.
It is a blow but that's why we have a squad....
Ciao for now :) |
All we're doing really is lusting after one of your better players. Fans do that all the time in football. It's just that your hold on Whittaker was tenuous due to being a loan with a recall clause and Swansea wanting to sell him for the funds.
Personally, have always had a soft spot for Plymouth due to the Mariner connection, plus it's a city I know a bit through family and friends who've lived there. |  |
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| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 10:37 - Jan 4 with 2548 views | Wacko |
| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:19 - Jan 4 by pafcprogs |
Here is my take....
We don't hate Ipswich....and we don't lame you for wanting to take a very good player if he is available.....we do find it a little bit odd that there are about thirteen different threads on your forum obsessing about the players we have on loan...seven would have been plenty...our 49 pages are all four or so threads we managed merged...
The club getting the negs from us right now is Swansea....it seems pretty clear that MW wanted to stay and also that the manager jas no desire to play him ...so this is a case of monetising an asset.
Thyat said as we saw last season with Ryan Broom Posh wanted to sell him during his loan to us but he simply refused the deal....so the Swans might (and it is a might) end up with a player who doesn't especially want to play for them right now or be sold as he has a good contract declining to move....so then they have. an expensive bench warmer that might not even make the bench
What we have right now is a spare loan place we can utilise if MW isn't coming back.....and potentially who knows who we might sign...right now we look like a safe place to send young talent to develop...
It is. along four weeks to the end of the window so plenty of time for this to evolve....
In the interim we have signed two players already , both young and hungry that fit the mould for our owners model.
We think all the loan deals we have have early recall deadlines in them which is why the Swans had to trigger the recall so it looks like this is the owners trying to cash in....but as I say he doesn't have to mobve....he might....or he might decide he wants to fight for a place a dn review in the summer.
Adds a bit if spice but I would be surprised if he lines up against us Saturday week , even if he signs eventually....
As for who he might go to , I can't see a L1 club apart from you or the Wendies ( and probably not the Wendoies having the cash...which means a Championship side or a premier side who might hover him up and the loan him out again.....plus the Swans need cash nor cancelled debt apparently to invest in new players the manager does want....
Most of the post are wishing MW well and thanking him for his time with us....and hoping Derby win in the cup which gives his another blank weekend to get Azaz back into the team after his injury.
It is a blow but that's why we have a squad....
Ciao for now :) |
I think you lot are also missing the fact that Swansea still owe us money for the Flynn Downes deal. So in buying MW we wouldn’t be as financially frivolous as you think |  |
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| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 11:15 - Jan 4 with 2419 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Loudmouths on both sides.
I went down to Plymouth for the game last season and had a great time, really good people, some great conversations. Obviously we are competing now and that makes things a bit bigger, but I don't hate Plymouth and most of their fans don't hate us. |  |
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| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 11:41 - Jan 4 with 2332 views | pointofblue |
| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 11:15 - Jan 4 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Loudmouths on both sides.
I went down to Plymouth for the game last season and had a great time, really good people, some great conversations. Obviously we are competing now and that makes things a bit bigger, but I don't hate Plymouth and most of their fans don't hate us. |
I think a few of their fans may hate what we stand for. And after our previous feelings towards Derby when in the Championship, it’d be hypocritical to blame them.
Edit: ‘previous’, not ‘previously’ [Post edited 4 Jan 2023 12:06]
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| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 11:57 - Jan 4 with 2275 views | jayessess |
For all the "nice fans, lovely place to go stuff", if I'm honest I despise every other club in this division, especially the well run ones that over-achieve.
Natural effect of nothing going right for us in 2 decades. |  |
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| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 11:59 - Jan 4 with 2249 views | SitfcB |
| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 09:34 - Jan 4 by Pinewoodblue |
You have also apparently had a bid turned down for Knibs (Cambridge Utd).
As a matter of interest how are ticket sales going your end, any chance some will be released by Town for home fans. Something like 26,000 already sold, incidentally our home gates are probably 5,000 above the budgeted figure which increases the money available for new players. |
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| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 14:29 - Jan 4 with 2044 views | pafcprogs |
| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 10:37 - Jan 4 by Wacko |
I think you lot are also missing the fact that Swansea still owe us money for the Flynn Downes deal. So in buying MW we wouldn’t be as financially frivolous as you think |
No I get that they could cancel a debt...the issue is as I understand it they need cash, not cash flow....and I am sure you can spend it now and then claim it back later.
They have a couple of players they want out the door...Obafemi is one and they want Ogbene from Rotherham at around 2 Million....
So what they want is someone to stump up the money....rather than say Ok send your lad over and we will not make you pay x in six months or a year...
But in all honesty who knows....it looks like we have irons in the fire for that position and we have 27 days of the window left to see what happens....maybe Morgan will have a storming second half of the season in white...or blue...
The one thing Swansea can't do is make him sign for anyone he doesn't want to.
He would be a good signing for you I agree but that doesn't mean that's what he wants....
Do I want him to come to you...no because he would make one of our nearest challengers stronger...
I guess what I would,d say is if you a re MW where were Ipswich when he was a swans player.....because he knows we wanted him and have made him an in demand player.....if he does hop onto the social mead and we know he does Insta he will see a lot of messages about how signing him is aimed at weakening Argyle....
Not too many streams about how they want him because he would be an upgrade on what you have....from the little I know from people who know him and speak to him he enjoys the fact the club wanted him and the way Schumacher manages him....
Time will tell.....I still hope it is an Argyle Ipswich 1/2 come May. | | | |
| Plymouth really seem to hate us don’t they? on 18:18 - Jan 4 with 1726 views | Vegtablue |
What silly stuff.
The number of Plymouth/Whittaker threads speaks to the nature of this website. Whereas many forums will see posters adding related content to the same topic, at TWTD many posters prefer to make their own threads rather than contribute to existing ones (no criticism here lol). And talk about both is testament to how brilliant they've been, plus obviously the nature of the player's contract. Of course fans will want to talk about him, even if the interest seems now to be more fan generated than club.
Now in respect to Plymouth fans' criticisms, obviously we have more spending power as our revenue streams are much higher, irrespective of the ownership situation. This natural advantage/disadvantage in football has always led to ill-feeling from groups of fans and will continue to see us unpopular until we return to the fold of clubs with similar size and spending power. It's normal. Defeatist / pessimistic / disillusioned are more appropriate charges re the fanbase rather than arrogant, mind you! And for every Ipswich fan saying Whittaker is ours to decide on, you will easily find many more saying he is an outside shot at best.
Lastly on online idiots, I know many Ipswich fans will have embarrassed the majority over this situation and will continue to do so. A broad church of personalities will be found at every club - the more fans you have, the higher the number of cringe ones! | | | |
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