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The old boy talking is just a prehistoric fool. Who runs the site and uploaded it is the one who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near social media. Club will no doubt distance themselves from these fools as should all who followed
Imagine hanging this old fella out to dry the day after for clicks and another round of "who us?"
It was clearly not accidental either, whoever is conducting this sort of interview is egging him on and agreeing heartily and endorsing it. So the channel does endorse it clearly and uploaded it, only backing down when called out.
Hopefully now the months of digging out players, hounding people and begging will come to an end as the club can put them in their box for broadcasting this outside the ground and linking it to ITFC. God knows these lot haven't cottoned out yet.
Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 09:30 - Jan 8 by Mullet
Imagine hanging this old fella out to dry the day after for clicks and another round of "who us?"
It was clearly not accidental either, whoever is conducting this sort of interview is egging him on and agreeing heartily and endorsing it. So the channel does endorse it clearly and uploaded it, only backing down when called out.
Hopefully now the months of digging out players, hounding people and begging will come to an end as the club can put them in their box for broadcasting this outside the ground and linking it to ITFC. God knows these lot haven't cottoned out yet.
Absolutely. They (assume Martin) is laughing in the background at it when said.
They knew exactly what he said, but decided to upload anyway.
I agree with others, Colin is almost certainly not racist but TT have purposefully aired something that at face value looks awful for him
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Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 09:39 - Jan 8 with 2306 views
Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 22:06 - Jan 7 by SitfcB
Whilst it was live at the time surely it shouldn’t still be up on YouTube.
Obviously no malice in it and he’s obviously from the older generation but not a good look this day in age, I know his generation have different words to describe people in general conversation but have to be so careful when being filmed etc.
Spot on. Why do these people get any viewers?
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Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 09:48 - Jan 8 with 2229 views
Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 09:38 - Jan 8 by ElderGrizzly
Absolutely. They (assume Martin) is laughing in the background at it when said.
They knew exactly what he said, but decided to upload anyway.
I agree with others, Colin is almost certainly not racist but TT have purposefully aired something that at face value looks awful for him
Bedsheet was asked on Twitter what the Colin’s surname was too and he obliged with the answer. Colin has been hung out to dry and then Bedsheet doubles down by giving his full name out. I don’t think that’s fair but a clumsy deflection of responsibility for giving the clip airtime in the first place which is widely accepted as the real problem. Colin is about 0.0001 % of the issue here.
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Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 10:06 - Jan 8 with 2140 views
Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 09:30 - Jan 8 by Mullet
Imagine hanging this old fella out to dry the day after for clicks and another round of "who us?"
It was clearly not accidental either, whoever is conducting this sort of interview is egging him on and agreeing heartily and endorsing it. So the channel does endorse it clearly and uploaded it, only backing down when called out.
Hopefully now the months of digging out players, hounding people and begging will come to an end as the club can put them in their box for broadcasting this outside the ground and linking it to ITFC. God knows these lot haven't cottoned out yet.
Agreed, whoever was conducting the interview should have challenged him and corrected him there and then. In my eyes that shows them in a worse light than the old boy and by not doing this and then uploading it I'd say they are condoning it...or as many rightly pointed out putting clicks and likes above what is morally right.
If you think there is anything wrong with this you are part of the problem not the solution. I cringe daily at some of the posts on this forum that try to blow simple things out of proportion. What an age we live in.
Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 10:31 - Jan 8 by Dave_Buh
If you think there is anything wrong with this you are part of the problem not the solution. I cringe daily at some of the posts on this forum that try to blow simple things out of proportion. What an age we live in.
Agree, some people are too desperate to be offended, normally on someone else’s behalf
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Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 10:38 - Jan 8 with 2001 views
Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 10:31 - Jan 8 by Dave_Buh
If you think there is anything wrong with this you are part of the problem not the solution. I cringe daily at some of the posts on this forum that try to blow simple things out of proportion. What an age we live in.
That's a good point for me , some might think using old as a derogatory is poor ! me i just try not to take offence when no offence is intended
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Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 10:38 - Jan 8 with 1987 views
Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 10:04 - Jan 8 by Horsham
Bedsheet was asked on Twitter what the Colin’s surname was too and he obliged with the answer. Colin has been hung out to dry and then Bedsheet doubles down by giving his full name out. I don’t think that’s fair but a clumsy deflection of responsibility for giving the clip airtime in the first place which is widely accepted as the real problem. Colin is about 0.0001 % of the issue here.
Did he have the chap's permission to give that information out? Legally dubious if not.
Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 10:38 - Jan 8 by Wickets
That's a good point for me , some might think using old as a derogatory is poor ! me i just try not to take offence when no offence is intended
That's a fair point. A few of those on this thread calling him out for racist language are themselves using ageist language. Let's not forget that protected characteristics under the Equalities Act 2010 include (amongst other things) both age and race.
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Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 11:01 - Jan 8 with 1863 views
Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 09:02 - Jan 8 by DJR
Another angle on this issue is that they have opened up this man to condemnation on this and presumably other social media sites, when he is presumably not the only Ipswich fan of his generation who doesn't realise what words are or are not acceptable these days.
Of course, he may be blissfully unaware of the furore, but maybe he has a son or grandson who is aware, and it does make me think that those who broadcast what other people say owe a duty of care to those they interview. So in this case, as well as not broadcasting the interview for its content, it shouldn't have been broadcast because of the condemnation of the man involved that was likely to arise.
I hope he is unaware, he obviously didn't mean to be racist or anything, just said something a bit off and then got flustered and tried to correct himself. He was quite literally trying to be better and that's more than most, but it just comes off badly.
I'm certainly not condoning it, but you also have to see the generation that this supporter fits into, it's not unusual for this terminology to be used. It's more about educating and showing, I don't genuinely believe he has said this to cause offence. He's not racist, he simply hasn't been shown or told, it's clumsy. If you think that other clubs haven't got much worse offenders than what I've seen from this footage then you really are quite naïve.
Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 11:01 - Jan 8 by DanTheMan
I hope he is unaware, he obviously didn't mean to be racist or anything, just said something a bit off and then got flustered and tried to correct himself. He was quite literally trying to be better and that's more than most, but it just comes off badly.
Shame on TT for uploading this.
As it was going out live they couldn’t edit it.
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Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 11:10 - Jan 8 with 1797 views
Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 11:10 - Jan 8 by GlasgowBlue
As I posted earlier, ML should have made a quick apology, as he heard what was said. Very easy to deal with at the time.
This is exactly the right stance. It's hould of and could easily of been corrected and apologised for.
I don't mind rich to much. I genuinely think he is the person on that podcast with the most knowledge and is by far the most genuine. There's a lot of BS and acting from the other 2, hes digging himself in deeper and deeper today with tonnes of retweet of colins defence from twitter randoms, where he could be broadcasting his own stance and understanding of racism. He's made it clear and obvious that he to doesn't understand the problem with this kind of comment. Saying language could of been better is not the defence. Offering to educate, explain and being staunch in allyship to those with minority identification is. Knowing Martin is registered as disabled and having frequently seen comments about peoples thoughtlessness towards those with accessibility issues makes this even more puzzling as I would of assumed he would get it... But he was heard laughing at the opinion... Its not great
There's been a few comments on here even of people saying nothing to see here, the point is minority groups spend their lives being othered, defined by characteristics to the many which erases their personal identity. The football player Colin mentioned is the same as the 20 others on that pitch, he had a name, a number and a position. All things that are actually far easier to identify someone by than the colour of their skin in a culturally diverse world.
At colins age these are terms that I'm his lifetime have likely long been accepted. But times and awareness change and they are not any more. The responsibility for policing and owning this lies with the anchor. Martin in this occasion, a young person laughing along with this language, and indirect racism is unfortunately the bigger problem for the show as a whole, and to minority groups stinks of an endorsement in a situation where a need for education could be understood.
The talking town apology is awful, replies turned off. It's worrying moreover the cult following of people they have created that are fully backing it as a nothing incident. Those from minorities need allies that will not only call this stuff out but act against it however and its refreshing to see a large number of people prepared to take this stance
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Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 12:16 - Jan 8 with 1570 views
Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 22:04 - Jan 7 by HealysBackPocket
Why did he need to use skin colour at all? Why could he not have just said “the big tackle from our player/striker/defender”? If it had been Keogh or Evans or Burns who made the tackle, there’s not a chance he comes out with “the white guy” is there?
He was reacting to having a microphone shoved at him, it's easy to say it after the fact but we don't always think before we speak.
Equally I'm not sure that describing someone who is black as black is really a clanger is it?
The bigger shame is he didn't know who the player he was taking about was.
As others said he's then panicked and found dark from somewhere and for me that's the term that is problematic, TT town should know that and edit accordingly
Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 12:12 - Jan 8 by greyhound
This is exactly the right stance. It's hould of and could easily of been corrected and apologised for.
I don't mind rich to much. I genuinely think he is the person on that podcast with the most knowledge and is by far the most genuine. There's a lot of BS and acting from the other 2, hes digging himself in deeper and deeper today with tonnes of retweet of colins defence from twitter randoms, where he could be broadcasting his own stance and understanding of racism. He's made it clear and obvious that he to doesn't understand the problem with this kind of comment. Saying language could of been better is not the defence. Offering to educate, explain and being staunch in allyship to those with minority identification is. Knowing Martin is registered as disabled and having frequently seen comments about peoples thoughtlessness towards those with accessibility issues makes this even more puzzling as I would of assumed he would get it... But he was heard laughing at the opinion... Its not great
There's been a few comments on here even of people saying nothing to see here, the point is minority groups spend their lives being othered, defined by characteristics to the many which erases their personal identity. The football player Colin mentioned is the same as the 20 others on that pitch, he had a name, a number and a position. All things that are actually far easier to identify someone by than the colour of their skin in a culturally diverse world.
At colins age these are terms that I'm his lifetime have likely long been accepted. But times and awareness change and they are not any more. The responsibility for policing and owning this lies with the anchor. Martin in this occasion, a young person laughing along with this language, and indirect racism is unfortunately the bigger problem for the show as a whole, and to minority groups stinks of an endorsement in a situation where a need for education could be understood.
The talking town apology is awful, replies turned off. It's worrying moreover the cult following of people they have created that are fully backing it as a nothing incident. Those from minorities need allies that will not only call this stuff out but act against it however and its refreshing to see a large number of people prepared to take this stance
Some of the comments on their youtube channel as they are waiting for the show to start are pretty poor.
Is this really the level of fan that we want representing our club? on 13:52 - Jan 8 by GlasgowBlue
Some of the comments on their youtube channel as they are waiting for the show to start are pretty poor.
Shoving a microphone in people's faces straight after a game is hardly a great formula for insightful comments. People are emotionally charged, especially after a disappointing result. Their post match show is basically your first 15 minutes of sometimes irrational chat in a pub after the game, put out indefinitely for public consumption. It's unnecessary and pointless.
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