| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. 22:24 - Jan 24 with 5595 views | GlasgowBlue |
Put their bodies and heads on everything. Keogh was also a much needed leader in defence. Never stopped talking throughout the game. |  |
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| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 08:44 - Jan 25 with 1225 views | Swansea_Blue |
They were, although I wouldn’t read too much into that game as Morecambe were woeful. They put no pressure on us and didn’t even mark up for throw ins. We had all the time in the world last night at the back. |  |
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| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 08:54 - Jan 25 with 1194 views | NthQldITFC |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 01:52 - Jan 25 by Ryorry |
And we didn't get rinsed in injury time like at Charlton. |
'E covers the ground very well for a fella of his age. |  |
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| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 08:54 - Jan 25 with 1189 views | pointofblue |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 08:44 - Jan 25 by Swansea_Blue |
They were, although I wouldn’t read too much into that game as Morecambe were woeful. They put no pressure on us and didn’t even mark up for throw ins. We had all the time in the world last night at the back. |
Our big issue is with low block and/or high press. They did neither. Would love to know what Adams’ game plan was. |  |
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| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 09:17 - Jan 25 with 1168 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 08:54 - Jan 25 by NthQldITFC |
'E covers the ground very well for a fella of his age. |
Persilnally, i agree, though it wont wash with some on here. |  |
| We have no village green, or a shop.
It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 09:31 - Jan 25 with 1141 views | bournemouthblue |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 22:31 - Jan 24 by Ryorry |
Was pretty reassuring to see Fridge back; and an astute move by KM to bring Keogh in with his experience & leadership to marshall our defence. Rather highlights why he's our Manager & TWTders aren't! 😂 |
The iFollow team mentioned the fact Fridge and Keogh played at Morecambe away so there's clearly some thinking into their physical approach.
Keogh is probably better suited to the slower more physical sides, if opposition have pace, he looks very vulnerable |  |
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| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 09:40 - Jan 25 with 1140 views | itfcjoe |
Guess we'll see longer term - but felt like this was just a rest for Woolfie and Burgess and they'll be back for the Burnley and Cambridge games.
I was a little disappointed with Edmundson on the ball as felt a big opportunity for him to wrestle the shirt of Burgess.
He did get 3 headers at goals from corners, so is much more dangerous in the opposition box than anyone we have |  |
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| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 09:45 - Jan 25 with 1113 views | itfcjoe |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 06:56 - Jan 25 by tractorboy1978 |
Burgess is probably a better stopper but Edmundson is significantly better on the ball than Burgess and capable of stepping forwards with it. In games like last night that is more important. There is still a role for both of them to play this season. |
Is Burgess a better stopper though? We have stopped keeping clean sheets with him in the side and if he is there as a stopper then that is on him to some extent.
And whilst not solely to blame - the Fleetwood and Plymouth goals deflect in off him, and he's left totally flat footed for the Wycombe and Oxford goals, plus gives the ball away in build up to Oxford second - and that is just off top of my head. Not syaing he is to blame for all those goals, but they are all coming from 'his area' so to speak.
I'd much prefer Edmundson's front footedness on the ball for the upcoming games, but not sure GE did enough last night | |
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| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 09:52 - Jan 25 with 1100 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 09:45 - Jan 25 by itfcjoe |
Is Burgess a better stopper though? We have stopped keeping clean sheets with him in the side and if he is there as a stopper then that is on him to some extent.
And whilst not solely to blame - the Fleetwood and Plymouth goals deflect in off him, and he's left totally flat footed for the Wycombe and Oxford goals, plus gives the ball away in build up to Oxford second - and that is just off top of my head. Not syaing he is to blame for all those goals, but they are all coming from 'his area' so to speak.
I'd much prefer Edmundson's front footedness on the ball for the upcoming games, but not sure GE did enough last night |
I'd prefer Edmundson in there too. | | | |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 09:52 - Jan 25 with 1098 views | portmanking |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 09:45 - Jan 25 by itfcjoe |
Is Burgess a better stopper though? We have stopped keeping clean sheets with him in the side and if he is there as a stopper then that is on him to some extent.
And whilst not solely to blame - the Fleetwood and Plymouth goals deflect in off him, and he's left totally flat footed for the Wycombe and Oxford goals, plus gives the ball away in build up to Oxford second - and that is just off top of my head. Not syaing he is to blame for all those goals, but they are all coming from 'his area' so to speak.
I'd much prefer Edmundson's front footedness on the ball for the upcoming games, but not sure GE did enough last night |
I thought it was telling just how effusive McKenna's praise for Keogh was - and then he tagged on a "and George had a good game too" at the end, with no other mention of his performance. I do wonder if there's something amiss. GE looked like he was trying too hard to impress at times last night, but he does recycle possession so much more fluently than Burgess, which definitely helps maintain the tempo of our play. | | | |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 09:55 - Jan 25 with 1066 views | CityBlue |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 22:31 - Jan 24 by Ryorry |
Was pretty reassuring to see Fridge back; and an astute move by KM to bring Keogh in with his experience & leadership to marshall our defence. Rather highlights why he's our Manager & TWTders aren't! 😂 |
speak for yourself. See my comments on other threads about bringing in Keogh to allow our MF to push forward |  |
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| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 09:58 - Jan 25 with 1051 views | CityBlue |
I think we see that Edmonson plays better with a strong player next to him - someone to reign him in, shout at him, control him. George doesn't always get that from Walton and Wolfy. Pretty sure Wolfy will be back in the line up for Cambridge but may sit out the FA cup game. | |
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| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 10:04 - Jan 25 with 1026 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 09:52 - Jan 25 by portmanking |
I thought it was telling just how effusive McKenna's praise for Keogh was - and then he tagged on a "and George had a good game too" at the end, with no other mention of his performance. I do wonder if there's something amiss. GE looked like he was trying too hard to impress at times last night, but he does recycle possession so much more fluently than Burgess, which definitely helps maintain the tempo of our play. |
I thought Keogh was fantastic last night. We commented how many times he really zipped the ball into midfield, passes that broke the lines and got us on the front foot. | | | |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 10:06 - Jan 25 with 1017 views | bournemouthblue |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 09:58 - Jan 25 by CityBlue |
I think we see that Edmonson plays better with a strong player next to him - someone to reign him in, shout at him, control him. George doesn't always get that from Walton and Wolfy. Pretty sure Wolfy will be back in the line up for Cambridge but may sit out the FA cup game. |
if that is the case, Wolfy's future is going to be the left or right side of the defensive three I would suggest, talented as he is, next to a leader in the middle
There does look to be some fragility there when we are defending deeply
He strikes me as one of those centre backs who's very good when we are playing further up the field but not so good when we drop deep and it gets a bit more ugly
Edit: Baggott looks a talent, hopefully he continues to develop and can end up being that left centre back we need | |
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| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 10:23 - Jan 25 with 972 views | pointofblue |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 10:06 - Jan 25 by bournemouthblue |
if that is the case, Wolfy's future is going to be the left or right side of the defensive three I would suggest, talented as he is, next to a leader in the middle
There does look to be some fragility there when we are defending deeply
He strikes me as one of those centre backs who's very good when we are playing further up the field but not so good when we drop deep and it gets a bit more ugly
Edit: Baggott looks a talent, hopefully he continues to develop and can end up being that left centre back we need |
I think Woolfenden and Edmundson are both fine if we’re playing ugly or playing up the field. I think their problem is if the match suddenly changes, or if we go from dominant to suddenly under pressure. If we’re constantly scrapping and holding on they can cope. It’s almost concentration issue and that’s where Keogh helps, as more of a leader he keeps people switched on. | |
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| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 10:35 - Jan 25 with 928 views | StokieBlue |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 07:01 - Jan 25 by BondiBlue |
Edmundson can move forwards with the ball, is quicker and more agile, so better at defending vs. pace (although still not anywhere near as good as donacien or woolfenden because he still tends to dive in when he shouldn't). In all other departments i'd say burgess is superior. Better in the air, better positionally, better tackling, better passing. I wonder how long edmundson will be happy being the clear third choice. |
I disagree with pretty much all of that.
Burgess is probably better in the air (although Edmundson is more of an aerial threat at corners) but in all the other aspects you've cited I think Edmundson is the superior player.
Burgess better at passing? That's a crazy assessment in my opinion. Burgess is very slow at moving the ball, needs an extra touch or extra time to decide what to do when passing.
Burgess has done fine at a time he was needed but Edmundson is the better player.
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| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 10:37 - Jan 25 with 905 views | BondiBlue |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 10:35 - Jan 25 by StokieBlue |
I disagree with pretty much all of that.
Burgess is probably better in the air (although Edmundson is more of an aerial threat at corners) but in all the other aspects you've cited I think Edmundson is the superior player.
Burgess better at passing? That's a crazy assessment in my opinion. Burgess is very slow at moving the ball, needs an extra touch or extra time to decide what to do when passing.
Burgess has done fine at a time he was needed but Edmundson is the better player.
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Crazy assessment? Then why is edmondson not starting every week? | |
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| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 10:41 - Jan 25 with 883 views | StokieBlue |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 10:37 - Jan 25 by BondiBlue |
Crazy assessment? Then why is edmondson not starting every week? |
I guess it depends whether you think Burgess is in the team for his superior passing, something I don't think is the case.
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| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 10:42 - Jan 25 with 883 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 08:36 - Jan 25 by pointofblue |
It's easy to be a proper defence when up against a near non-existent attack. |
And both played against Morecambe earlier in the season, which i’m sure had a part to play in McK’s decision making.
Keogh was there to deal with a more physical presence of Stockton too and did it well. |  | | |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 10:46 - Jan 25 with 874 views | BondiBlue |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 10:41 - Jan 25 by StokieBlue |
I guess it depends whether you think Burgess is in the team for his superior passing, something I don't think is the case.
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I think burgess is in the team because he's a better defender. | |
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| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 10:50 - Jan 25 with 860 views | StokieBlue |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 10:46 - Jan 25 by BondiBlue |
I think burgess is in the team because he's a better defender. |
Then why did you take issue with my point which was specifically about his passing?
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| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 11:02 - Jan 25 with 811 views | BondiBlue |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 10:50 - Jan 25 by StokieBlue |
Then why did you take issue with my point which was specifically about his passing?
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Took issue with your use of the word crazy to describe my fairly uncontroversial opinion. You came across as a bit unnecessarily aggro.
If you must have it, i think edmondson was actually dropped at least in part for his passing. He's dropped at least 3 absolute clangers this season where he's passed it straight to an opponent in a really dangerous area. When burgess passes the ball, it usually goes to a teammate. I know, i'm clearly insane. | |
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| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 11:09 - Jan 25 with 788 views | Ryorry |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 09:55 - Jan 25 by CityBlue |
speak for yourself. See my comments on other threads about bringing in Keogh to allow our MF to push forward |
I was referring to someone who posted just before k/o that he'd amended his prediction to a much more pessimistic one after hearing that RK would be a starter. |  |
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| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 11:11 - Jan 25 with 785 views | Dyland |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 08:54 - Jan 25 by pointofblue |
Our big issue is with low block and/or high press. They did neither. Would love to know what Adams’ game plan was. |
Their game plan first half seemed to be something along the lines of...
"Have a go, do whatever, I don't know."
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| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 11:13 - Jan 25 with 776 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Keogh and Fridge were solid tonight. on 10:41 - Jan 25 by StokieBlue |
I guess it depends whether you think Burgess is in the team for his superior passing, something I don't think is the case.
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There's not much difference between the two according to these regarding passing. Altho george has a better completion rate.. but then his style is more short passing compared to Burgess I'd say..
https://footystats.org/players/australia/cameron-burgess
https://footystats.org/players/england/george-edmundson
But looking at the Burgess stats. It's actually really positive defensively.
Altho. Has Burgess only played 16 games? Feels like more.
Also interesting is they both have shocking tackling stats. [Post edited 25 Jan 2023 11:14]
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