| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) 10:40 - Feb 1 with 8699 views | BlueBadger |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 10:47 - Feb 1 with 3793 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Thanks Badger. Hearing of and reading lots of things trying to paint teachers in a greedy and lazy light. The best thing to ask those doing so is "why aren't you doing it then?"
I like the quote below: "A huge element is the fact that we have to protect the education sector and the teaching profession going forward. We have to do something about it, otherwise nobody will want to become a teacher."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/teacher-strikes-to-begin-and-this-school-i |  |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 10:48 - Feb 1 with 3785 views | FrimleyBlue |
Yes thanks
2 days off school for my son in a week due to teachers being off
Yet you have an ill child and you get threatened with fines for them not attending. |  |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 10:51 - Feb 1 with 3764 views | Zx1988 |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 10:55 - Feb 1 with 3750 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 10:48 - Feb 1 by FrimleyBlue |
Yes thanks
2 days off school for my son in a week due to teachers being off
Yet you have an ill child and you get threatened with fines for them not attending. |
Whose fault are those 2 days off?
If we continue to defund education there simply won't be the staff. Would you prefer your son was in classes of 35+ or had 2 days at home every week educated remotely? Those are things some schools are already at least considering.
It is like the nurses' action. The action will lead to people dying. However, continuing to accept this Government's defunding of the NHS will lead to many more early deaths in the longer term. The unavailability of ambulances is not down to the strikes. | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:08 - Feb 1 with 3695 views | Zx1988 |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 10:48 - Feb 1 by FrimleyBlue |
Yes thanks
2 days off school for my son in a week due to teachers being off
Yet you have an ill child and you get threatened with fines for them not attending. |
You don't really seem to grasp the general concept of strikes, do you?
The entire purpose of a strike is to inconvenience and annoy, but you're directing your displeasure at entirely the wrong people. | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:14 - Feb 1 with 3620 views | tonybied |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:08 - Feb 1 by Zx1988 |
You don't really seem to grasp the general concept of strikes, do you?
The entire purpose of a strike is to inconvenience and annoy, but you're directing your displeasure at entirely the wrong people. |
It's short term thinking winning the day as always. People are quick to moan about being inconvenienced today and don't notice services slowing eroding away over the long term causing bigger and long lasting effects. |  | | |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:14 - Feb 1 with 3620 views | mo_itfc |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 10:48 - Feb 1 by FrimleyBlue |
Yes thanks
2 days off school for my son in a week due to teachers being off
Yet you have an ill child and you get threatened with fines for them not attending. |
If you have an ill child, then the absense is justified. You're not getting fined for illness.
You're either trolling or a moron. | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:14 - Feb 1 with 3618 views | RobTheMonk |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 10:55 - Feb 1 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Whose fault are those 2 days off?
If we continue to defund education there simply won't be the staff. Would you prefer your son was in classes of 35+ or had 2 days at home every week educated remotely? Those are things some schools are already at least considering.
It is like the nurses' action. The action will lead to people dying. However, continuing to accept this Government's defunding of the NHS will lead to many more early deaths in the longer term. The unavailability of ambulances is not down to the strikes. |
Madge already has classes of near 35 (I think 33 is her highest at the moment). There's not even enough desk space for them all.
She's seen newly qualified teachers stick it out for a couple of years and then go 'Yep, this is rubbish' and go and get paid much more doing something else.
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From the NEU website:
"The Government must know there is going to have to be a correction on teacher pay. They must realise that school support staff need a pay rise.
"If they do not, then the consequences are clear for parents and children. The lack of dedicated maths teachers, for example, means that 1 in 8 pupils are having work set and assessed by people who are not qualified in the teaching of maths. Anyone who values education should support us in this dispute because that is what we are standing up for. It is not us who should turn a blind eye to the consequences of Government policy on schools and colleges.
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This is a very real example that's happening. I've seen Music teachers teaching Maths at KS3 because they have a half decent GCSE in Maths. You go into teaching to teach a subject you love and you end up having to fill in for a subject. You're going to end up disillusioned by it all.
For the ballot of teachers, in England a 90.44% majority voted YES on a turnout of 53.27%. In Wales a 92.28% majority voted YES on a turnout of 58.07%. That's a pretty damming indication of what's going on at the moment with schools.
Support staff are also paid pittance. I've moved out of the school environment, do something very similar and get paid much more. |  | | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:15 - Feb 1 with 3610 views | MattinLondon |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 10:48 - Feb 1 by FrimleyBlue |
Yes thanks
2 days off school for my son in a week due to teachers being off
Yet you have an ill child and you get threatened with fines for them not attending. |
Pathetic. |  | | |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:15 - Feb 1 with 3604 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:08 - Feb 1 by Zx1988 |
You don't really seem to grasp the general concept of strikes, do you?
The entire purpose of a strike is to inconvenience and annoy, but you're directing your displeasure at entirely the wrong people. |
I do. And good luck to them ( my sister and brother in law are both teachers.
It just makes me cross that you still get these unauthorised letters for sick days when so many school days have been lost from those that send the letters. | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:17 - Feb 1 with 3605 views | meekreech |
I would like to know what advice career teachers are giving to students .
It appears to me that they have to offer the following choices for careers.
First option is a job with more strikes so that very little work actually happens and the rest of economy is allowed to stagnate.
The second option is a job that does not spend time striking allowing more work to be performed and the economy to improve.
Services funded from the public purse should have the right to strike removed as in the long run it is not just inconvenient for the public but also potentially harmful in many ways. | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:21 - Feb 1 with 3580 views | Zx1988 |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:17 - Feb 1 by meekreech |
I would like to know what advice career teachers are giving to students .
It appears to me that they have to offer the following choices for careers.
First option is a job with more strikes so that very little work actually happens and the rest of economy is allowed to stagnate.
The second option is a job that does not spend time striking allowing more work to be performed and the economy to improve.
Services funded from the public purse should have the right to strike removed as in the long run it is not just inconvenient for the public but also potentially harmful in many ways. |
What is it about the continual erosion of services, pay, and workers' rights that particularly appeals to you?
Also, what's more harmful in the long run? A few days of strike action by nurses, or the continual erosion of the NHS into a US-style insurance-based system, where being poor and sick can be a death sentence in some cases? [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 11:23]
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:22 - Feb 1 with 3567 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:15 - Feb 1 by FrimleyBlue |
I do. And good luck to them ( my sister and brother in law are both teachers.
It just makes me cross that you still get these unauthorised letters for sick days when so many school days have been lost from those that send the letters. |
That is not teachers sending out those letters, it is the school hierarchy - and if your kids' school is an academy, it will be more interested in making money in any way it can in preference to educating your children.. |  |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:23 - Feb 1 with 3552 views | DJR |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 10:55 - Feb 1 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Whose fault are those 2 days off?
If we continue to defund education there simply won't be the staff. Would you prefer your son was in classes of 35+ or had 2 days at home every week educated remotely? Those are things some schools are already at least considering.
It is like the nurses' action. The action will lead to people dying. However, continuing to accept this Government's defunding of the NHS will lead to many more early deaths in the longer term. The unavailability of ambulances is not down to the strikes. |
And maybe there won't be any teachers when his his son has children. |  | | |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:23 - Feb 1 with 3551 views | MattinLondon |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:17 - Feb 1 by meekreech |
I would like to know what advice career teachers are giving to students .
It appears to me that they have to offer the following choices for careers.
First option is a job with more strikes so that very little work actually happens and the rest of economy is allowed to stagnate.
The second option is a job that does not spend time striking allowing more work to be performed and the economy to improve.
Services funded from the public purse should have the right to strike removed as in the long run it is not just inconvenient for the public but also potentially harmful in many ways. |
If teaching staff (and I include Teaching Assistants as they do a fantastic job) are treated badly, with poor working conditions and pay which doesn’t reflect their hours/job, who on earth will become one? Same with nurses - the NHS and education system would collapse if it weren’t for the good Will and dedication of mind. | | | |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:24 - Feb 1 with 3555 views | hype313 |
Whilst it's an inconvenience for myself and my wife, I'd much prefer my Children to be taught by well paid, motivated teachers so pay them accordingly is what I say.
My only concern is that this current government don't have any appetite to engage with any of the unions, and whilst I support them, after 2 years of Covid I am worried about the disruption this may cause for my children's education as they've had a series of lost days in their early years already. |  |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:27 - Feb 1 with 3525 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 10:48 - Feb 1 by FrimleyBlue |
Yes thanks
2 days off school for my son in a week due to teachers being off
Yet you have an ill child and you get threatened with fines for them not attending. |
That's exceptionally daft, even for you old bean. You do not get threatened with fines if your child is ill. If you, or anyone, are being threatened with fines for illness, you should complain to your school and if that doesn't work report them to the DfE or Ofsted.
https://www.gov.uk/complain-about-school |  |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:41 - Feb 1 with 3396 views | davblue |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:15 - Feb 1 by FrimleyBlue |
I do. And good luck to them ( my sister and brother in law are both teachers.
It just makes me cross that you still get these unauthorised letters for sick days when so many school days have been lost from those that send the letters. |
you need to call the school to inform them of the illness that would help!! |  | | |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:42 - Feb 1 with 3347 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:17 - Feb 1 by meekreech |
I would like to know what advice career teachers are giving to students .
It appears to me that they have to offer the following choices for careers.
First option is a job with more strikes so that very little work actually happens and the rest of economy is allowed to stagnate.
The second option is a job that does not spend time striking allowing more work to be performed and the economy to improve.
Services funded from the public purse should have the right to strike removed as in the long run it is not just inconvenient for the public but also potentially harmful in many ways. |
I would like to know what advice career teachers are giving to students .
I am unsure of the relevance of this to any point you are trying to make, but yes careers advice is given by schools.
It appears to me that they have to offer the following choices for careers.
What qualifies you to now override that careers advice and how does the bizarre binary comment you list constitute careers advice?
First option is a job with more strikes so that very little work actually happens and the rest of economy is allowed to stagnate.
Do you understand employment vs slavery and have any data on strike action and the reasons for it?
The second option is a job that does not spend time striking allowing more work to be performed and the economy to improve.
You are advocating slavery where the employer can determine fully all the terms and conditions of it? Does more work get performed when an employee has unfair and unreasonable terms and conditions or do you get a discontented presenteeism or persistent absence due to ill health? Of course, as one boss of mine used to say, "you can always leave" (most of us did too).
Services funded from the public purse should have the right to strike removed as in the long run it is not just inconvenient for the public but also potentially harmful in many ways.
The underfunding of public services (basic Tory principle) is the biggest damage being done to them. Whilst you may downvote those stating how bad the situation is already even before the strikes started, it doesn't change the immense damage this Government is doing and has already done. This suggestion is about enabling the complete destruction of public services. This would be immensely damaging to the public in many more ways than you can begin to contemplate. | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:44 - Feb 1 with 3318 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 10:48 - Feb 1 by FrimleyBlue |
Yes thanks
2 days off school for my son in a week due to teachers being off
Yet you have an ill child and you get threatened with fines for them not attending. |
Those bl00dy smarmy teachers!
On the radio they just said 1/3 of teachers leave the profession within 5 years. That’s insane. | | | |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:47 - Feb 1 with 3310 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:44 - Feb 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Those bl00dy smarmy teachers!
On the radio they just said 1/3 of teachers leave the profession within 5 years. That’s insane. |
The Government brought in bursary funding for training and it is not unheard of for some to train with no intention of staying in the career. Others never appreciated how stressful or difficult the career is and needed to experience it to discover for themselves.
It doesn't help that underfunding increases the pressures. | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:49 - Feb 1 with 3293 views | RobTheMonk |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:47 - Feb 1 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The Government brought in bursary funding for training and it is not unheard of for some to train with no intention of staying in the career. Others never appreciated how stressful or difficult the career is and needed to experience it to discover for themselves.
It doesn't help that underfunding increases the pressures. |
I've seen this before. In fact, I've openly heard a physics trainee saying that they had just trained for the bursary fund which I think was a fairly nice sum at the time. | | | |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:58 - Feb 1 with 3261 views | Guthrum |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:17 - Feb 1 by meekreech |
I would like to know what advice career teachers are giving to students .
It appears to me that they have to offer the following choices for careers.
First option is a job with more strikes so that very little work actually happens and the rest of economy is allowed to stagnate.
The second option is a job that does not spend time striking allowing more work to be performed and the economy to improve.
Services funded from the public purse should have the right to strike removed as in the long run it is not just inconvenient for the public but also potentially harmful in many ways. |
Or maybe people should formally make the choice between low tax with no right to demand quality public services and the opposite. You can't have both. Stuff has to be paid for.
The consequences of the former involve (further, drastic) reductions in the military, policing, transport infrastructure and pensions. Not just squeezing public sector pay and "benefits". Everything will become yet more expensive as wages have to increase (private security does not come cheap).
Edit: Perhaps no coincidence that the most civilised countries, such as Scandinavia, are known for higher taxes and better services, while others (e.g. Somalia) have the opposite. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 12:00]
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 12:04 - Feb 1 with 3190 views | DJR |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:49 - Feb 1 by RobTheMonk |
I've seen this before. In fact, I've openly heard a physics trainee saying that they had just trained for the bursary fund which I think was a fairly nice sum at the time. |
I think that is the exception rather than the rule, given that bursaries are only given for a limited number of subjects.
The real reason for leaving is workload and stress, exacerbated by the rapidly eroding real-term pay. And Covid has made things worse, along with things like schools having to consider laying off teaching assistants because of budgetary restraint.
https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/14/teachers-are-leaving-the-profession-in-droves-i-m
Over a third of teachers who qualified since 2010 have left the profession, and according to a recent survey 44% of teachers plan to leave the profession in the next five years. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 12:06]
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