| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet 14:45 - Feb 16 with 11925 views | TalkingBlues |
for some time now. We often speak of "must win" games for the team, but I genuinely believe that Saturday is a "must win" for McKenna, anything less than 3 points against FGR and the powers that be start drawing up a list of managerial candidates (if they haven't already). It's the diligent and prudent thing to do, McKenna has had probably as much time and definitely more money at his disposal than previous managers, but has produced a run of results worse than those before him, runs that saw those managers sacked. Our owners are investing a lot of money on and off the pitch and they want results quickly, so will Ashton, before his job comes under scrutiny too. [Post edited 16 Feb 2023 14:45]
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| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 19:58 - Feb 17 with 1105 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 19:24 - Feb 17 by itfcjoe |
It’s not about taking sides, if Morsy goes into the crowd then it’s likely to end in a physical altercation as the fans involved are likely idiots who will push him (a la Charlton last season) and then it is a physical altercation |
Morsy didn't go into the crowd, though. He approached the fan in a threatening manner. The presence of the other staff member who acted sensibly means none of us knows what would have happened had he not been there. I suspect that Morsy would have acted aggressively from a distance, the fan would have abused from a distance and then the two would have left as is usual in most of these sort of incidents. It is also possible the fan would have thrown some racist abuse and accused his mother of being a whore and Morsy would have jumped into the crowd and Kung Fu kicked him. However, that didn't happen. |  |
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| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:04 - Feb 17 with 1102 views | itfcjoe |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 19:56 - Feb 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Who suggested he would've 'gone into the crowd'?! You're making up stuff that didn't happen. You obviously think very little of our captain if you genuinely think he was about to go into the crowd and start assaulting people.
Absolutely unbelievable take. |
It is an unbelievable take if you just ignore what has been said and pretend I’m saying Morsy was going to go into the crowd windmilling.
- Morsy was being held back from going closer to the crowd
- if he got closer to the crowd it’s likely that someone there would have pushed him
- therefore he would potentially have had a physical altercation with the fans |  |
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| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:05 - Feb 17 with 1093 views | itfcjoe |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 19:58 - Feb 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Morsy didn't go into the crowd, though. He approached the fan in a threatening manner. The presence of the other staff member who acted sensibly means none of us knows what would have happened had he not been there. I suspect that Morsy would have acted aggressively from a distance, the fan would have abused from a distance and then the two would have left as is usual in most of these sort of incidents. It is also possible the fan would have thrown some racist abuse and accused his mother of being a whore and Morsy would have jumped into the crowd and Kung Fu kicked him. However, that didn't happen. |
If somebody pushes Morsy does that count as a physical altercation with a fan, even if he doesn’t push him back? To me it does | |
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| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:05 - Feb 17 with 1092 views | Coastalblue |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 18:21 - Feb 17 by TalkingBlues |
I don't know what more I can do, honestly this is just nuts, there's a video of Mike O'Leary saying that ME and Gamechanger consulted on Paul Cook prior to his appointment (the appointment was 1 month prior to the confirmation of new owners) and said he was top of both their lists, lol.
Why was ME discussing this with Gamechanger do you think? He knew the takeover was all but complete and didn't want to pi55 off the prospective buyers by appointing a new manager weeks before the takeover. The alternative is that ME didn't give a sh1t what the new owners thought and risked the entire deal on appointing Paul Cook without them knowing, or agreeing, which do you think is the more likely? |
This was widely discussed at the time, and generally accepted that regardless of what might have been said publically PC was not a GC appointment, and they were not consulted in the manner you suggest.
I'm pretty sure Phil (among others) mentioned at the time when PC was appointed that Evans was of the mind not to sell. |  |
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| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:14 - Feb 17 with 1046 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:05 - Feb 17 by itfcjoe |
If somebody pushes Morsy does that count as a physical altercation with a fan, even if he doesn’t push him back? To me it does |
I will have to watch it again but I didn't see any potential for someone in the crowd pushing Morsy. It seems a similar leap to the assumption that Morsy was going into the crowd.
EDIT: It took some finding but here it is.
and there is nothing there that looks close to either Morsy entering the crowd or the fan coming at Morsy to push him. Really is nothing to see. [Post edited 17 Feb 2023 20:52]
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| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:17 - Feb 17 with 1036 views | TalkingBlues |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 19:56 - Feb 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Who suggested he would've 'gone into the crowd'?! You're making up stuff that didn't happen. You obviously think very little of our captain if you genuinely think he was about to go into the crowd and start assaulting people.
Absolutely unbelievable take. |
This thread has gone from usual stuff, to more usual stuff, to the usual “groovy gang” derailment and discredit attempt, to splintered weird stuff, to “groovy gang” stupidity, to “the reveal” and that’s where I expected the train to pull into the station, but you’ve taken things to a different level of “something”, I thank you for the change in course, but it’s just silly now, we’re all talking hypothetically about what “could” have happened vs what “did” happen. However, the essence of the thing has been muddied by the point scoring efforts you’re making, that essence was that for anything of this nature to have taken place at all between our captain and our fans, shows that all is not well, far from it, this is a big red flag. | |
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| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:31 - Feb 17 with 1010 views | TalkingBlues |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:05 - Feb 17 by Coastalblue |
This was widely discussed at the time, and generally accepted that regardless of what might have been said publically PC was not a GC appointment, and they were not consulted in the manner you suggest.
I'm pretty sure Phil (among others) mentioned at the time when PC was appointed that Evans was of the mind not to sell. |
Ok, in that case you’re saying Mike O’Leary, Chairman of ITFC, was lying about Gamechanger involvement with Marcus Evans regarding the appointment of Paul Cook.
There’s no middle ground here, the man is on record in that interview, expressly stating, clearly and concisely, that Gamechanger were directly involved in discussions with ME regarding Paul Cook, prior to his appointment as manager. | |
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| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:37 - Feb 17 with 986 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:31 - Feb 17 by TalkingBlues |
Ok, in that case you’re saying Mike O’Leary, Chairman of ITFC, was lying about Gamechanger involvement with Marcus Evans regarding the appointment of Paul Cook.
There’s no middle ground here, the man is on record in that interview, expressly stating, clearly and concisely, that Gamechanger were directly involved in discussions with ME regarding Paul Cook, prior to his appointment as manager. |
"he was also number one on our list when we were thinking about finding a new manager when we did buy this club" is somewhat different from "Gamechanger were directly involved in discussions with ME regarding Paul Cook, prior to his appointment as manager". | |
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| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:42 - Feb 17 with 983 views | Metal_Hacker |
I’m soooo glad I’ve taken time off from this forum
This thread just illustrates how crazy this place is at the moment ffs
How are we all going to be if we’ve not won the Champions League within the next 5 years
This whole forum has turned into a “one upmanahip “scenario - my Dad’s bigger than yours
From an external point of view from another fan base I bet we look like over privileged, spoilt ,ungrateful brats
Think it’s time for more time away
Agree to disagree ffs |  |
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| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:45 - Feb 17 with 976 views | TalkingBlues |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:37 - Feb 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
"he was also number one on our list when we were thinking about finding a new manager when we did buy this club" is somewhat different from "Gamechanger were directly involved in discussions with ME regarding Paul Cook, prior to his appointment as manager". |
I see nothing has changed, still trying to place spin on everything, even when the video is there to disprove it, available for all to see. Watch again and try not to selectively miss most of what was actually said.
Where’s my apology? You called me a liar several times on this thread, something I have expressly proven to be a malicious and false claim.
*Edit - unless Brett Johnson is a liar too of course
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| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:56 - Feb 17 with 943 views | Coastalblue |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:31 - Feb 17 by TalkingBlues |
Ok, in that case you’re saying Mike O’Leary, Chairman of ITFC, was lying about Gamechanger involvement with Marcus Evans regarding the appointment of Paul Cook.
There’s no middle ground here, the man is on record in that interview, expressly stating, clearly and concisely, that Gamechanger were directly involved in discussions with ME regarding Paul Cook, prior to his appointment as manager. |
If that's how you want to view it, then yes I am, because all of the talk around that time indicated otherwise. | |
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| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:59 - Feb 17 with 934 views | TalkingBlues |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:56 - Feb 17 by Coastalblue |
If that's how you want to view it, then yes I am, because all of the talk around that time indicated otherwise. |
And that’s the match folks. | |
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| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 21:49 - Feb 17 with 852 views | mrfixit426 |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:31 - Feb 17 by TalkingBlues |
Ok, in that case you’re saying Mike O’Leary, Chairman of ITFC, was lying about Gamechanger involvement with Marcus Evans regarding the appointment of Paul Cook.
There’s no middle ground here, the man is on record in that interview, expressly stating, clearly and concisely, that Gamechanger were directly involved in discussions with ME regarding Paul Cook, prior to his appointment as manager. |
I mean, I've pointed out that O'Leary said the opposite of your original post, and yet you're still peddling the same, ridiculous narrative. I'm not sure what you're getting out of this apart from making yourself look like a laughing stock. |  | | |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 23:16 - Feb 17 with 825 views | TalkingBlues |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 17:18 - Feb 17 by StokieBlue |
I dare you to ask him for evidence of his assertion.
SB |
I notice you’ve slithered back under your rock rather quickly today, wonder why that could be? | |
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| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 23:20 - Feb 17 with 821 views | TalkingBlues |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 19:20 - Feb 16 by Herbivore |
Repeating the phrase "same as Cook" ad nauseum doesn't make it any less bullsh!t, my feathered friend. |
Oh, another one mysteriously missing today, again, I wonder why? | |
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| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 23:23 - Feb 17 with 818 views | TalkingBlues |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 18:58 - Feb 16 by BlueBadger |
Link us up, oh oracle.
Otherwise it rather looks like you're making shït up.
Again. |
Another one missing today, shock horror | |
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| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 08:08 - Feb 18 with 663 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:04 - Feb 17 by itfcjoe |
It is an unbelievable take if you just ignore what has been said and pretend I’m saying Morsy was going to go into the crowd windmilling.
- Morsy was being held back from going closer to the crowd
- if he got closer to the crowd it’s likely that someone there would have pushed him
- therefore he would potentially have had a physical altercation with the fans |
"pretend I’m saying Morsy was going to go into the crowd windmilling"
I never said this though. You seem to like hypothesising about things that haven't happened in this thread. As I and nthsth have said, if he hadn't been held back it probably would've just been a few verbals from a distance. That's what usually happens and the most likely thing is usually right. There's no evidence for any of what you're suggesting. |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 08:12 - Feb 18 with 644 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 23:23 - Feb 17 by TalkingBlues |
Another one missing today, shock horror |
Maybe they're all bored of your incessant sh!t. | |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 08:13 - Feb 18 with 639 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:05 - Feb 17 by itfcjoe |
If somebody pushes Morsy does that count as a physical altercation with a fan, even if he doesn’t push him back? To me it does |
If someone sets their raven on Morsy and it pecks his eyes out, that would also be an altercation with a fan. | |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 09:35 - Feb 18 with 584 views | TalkingBlues |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 08:12 - Feb 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Maybe they're all bored of your incessant sh!t. |
LMAO, you need to borrow one of herbivores irony meters, if you can find any still working that is | |
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| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 13:48 - Feb 18 with 460 views | leitrimblue |
| Ashton and our owners have been very quiet on 20:31 - Feb 17 by TalkingBlues |
Ok, in that case you’re saying Mike O’Leary, Chairman of ITFC, was lying about Gamechanger involvement with Marcus Evans regarding the appointment of Paul Cook.
There’s no middle ground here, the man is on record in that interview, expressly stating, clearly and concisely, that Gamechanger were directly involved in discussions with ME regarding Paul Cook, prior to his appointment as manager. |
Gamechanger may well have been happy enough with Cooks appointment but Ashton would never have chosen Cook. Where has Mckenna is clearly Ashtons man and you would imagine and hope he will be given more time due to this |  | | |
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