| Today's Budget 07:39 - Mar 15 with 5745 views | NeedhamChris |
Rumblings seem to be that the free childcare places might be extended to 1 and 2 year olds in the budget today.
With a first child due next week - this would be a really pleasant surprise so hope this does materialise.
By no means a Tory, but would welcome that immensely. Anyone else looking out for anything particular today?
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| Today's Budget on 09:41 - Mar 15 with 1137 views | J2BLUE |
| Today's Budget on 09:28 - Mar 15 by usm |
Easy Tiger
You cant say anything positive about the Tories on here
Phil'll get his Banhammer out
Just watch |
That's just not true though. |  |
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| Today's Budget on 09:42 - Mar 15 with 1142 views | itfcjoe |
If this is the case it's difficult to see how any nurseries would cope with this - those on funded hours post 3 get so little help from Govt to cover the difference that it makes it almost unsustainable.
Something does need to be done with childcare (my youngest starts school in September and dread to think how much we've spent over last 6-7 years) but hard to see this working well if you have any knowledge of nurseries and their funding |  |
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| Today's Budget on 09:43 - Mar 15 with 1128 views | NeedhamChris |
| Today's Budget on 08:57 - Mar 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I might be out of line here (especially as I'm not a parent) but is that really the best use of limited public funds? Surely if you decide to have a child it's up to you to pay for it, not the rest of us? I'd rather that money went to paying doctors/nurses a decent wage, who benefit all of us. |
I think the argument - which could well be fiscally sound even if I get your point, is that it's not £4bn thrown away as that money is going directly to childcare providers and also in terms of additional contributions to the economy from those who may have needed to give up work. Additional tax take, money in the pockets of more childcare providers, and probably more.
Personally I think there's social rights that a society should have and I think some degree of universal childcare provision is one of those. | |
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| Today's Budget on 09:46 - Mar 15 with 1092 views | NeedhamChris |
| Today's Budget on 09:42 - Mar 15 by itfcjoe |
If this is the case it's difficult to see how any nurseries would cope with this - those on funded hours post 3 get so little help from Govt to cover the difference that it makes it almost unsustainable.
Something does need to be done with childcare (my youngest starts school in September and dread to think how much we've spent over last 6-7 years) but hard to see this working well if you have any knowledge of nurseries and their funding |
Yeah true - I'm mostly expecting this to be another "Green Homes Grant" where the availability doesn't come close to meeting the demand. | |
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| Today's Budget on 09:47 - Mar 15 with 1078 views | Guthrum |
The calling of a General Election. The rest is just tinkering. |  |
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| Today's Budget on 09:48 - Mar 15 with 1071 views | itfcjoe |
| Today's Budget on 09:16 - Mar 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I didn't say children benefit their parents.
Yes society needs them, but there's not exactly a shortage.
I'm not against helping parents I just think in these times there are better uses of the money than free childcare. I mean ideally we wouldn't have fecked the country up so much that we need to pick and choose. And when I say we I mean the Tories. |
There is a shortage of children, we have an aging population and the biggest burden on the state is the state pension - the more people able to pay into the NI pot the better and a lot of those oldies don't want immigrants to do it | |
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| Today's Budget on 09:49 - Mar 15 with 1068 views | clive_baker |
| Today's Budget on 09:42 - Mar 15 by itfcjoe |
If this is the case it's difficult to see how any nurseries would cope with this - those on funded hours post 3 get so little help from Govt to cover the difference that it makes it almost unsustainable.
Something does need to be done with childcare (my youngest starts school in September and dread to think how much we've spent over last 6-7 years) but hard to see this working well if you have any knowledge of nurseries and their funding |
Presumably they'll all just stick their prices up, knowing the government are paying for it based not on absolute cash value, but hours. |  |
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| Today's Budget on 09:49 - Mar 15 with 1067 views | NeedhamChris |
| Today's Budget on 08:57 - Mar 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I might be out of line here (especially as I'm not a parent) but is that really the best use of limited public funds? Surely if you decide to have a child it's up to you to pay for it, not the rest of us? I'd rather that money went to paying doctors/nurses a decent wage, who benefit all of us. |
Also where does your logic stop? You could apply that to anything (couple of examples below).
"I might be out of line here (especially as I'm not retired) but is that really the best use of limited public funds? Surely if you decide to retire it's up to you to pay for it, not the rest of us? I'd rather that money went to paying doctors/nurses a decent wage, who benefit all of us."
"I might be out of line here (especially as I'm not a student) but is that really the best use of limited public funds? Surely if you decide to go to university it's up to you to pay for it, not the rest of us? I'd rather that money went to paying doctors/nurses a decent wage, who benefit all of us."
"I might be out of line here (especially as I'm not a student) but is that really the best use of limited public funds? Surely if you decide to smoke it's up to you to pay for related health costs, not the rest of us? I'd rather that money went to paying doctors/nurses a decent wage, who benefit all of us."
Doesn't always have to be a race to the bottom does it? | |
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| Today's Budget on 09:49 - Mar 15 with 1058 views | clive_baker |
| Today's Budget on 09:05 - Mar 15 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
But on that point (and maybe it already is) would it not be sensible to means test it? I mean then you have someone on 25k subsidising childcare for a doctor on 100k.
Edit- I recently saw a consultant who. Is charging £200 per appointment, I find it hard to find it equitable for me funding his childcare… [Post edited 15 Mar 2023 9:11]
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It is means tested to some degree. Only those earning <100k p/a are eligible. | |
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| Today's Budget on 09:54 - Mar 15 with 1002 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Today's Budget on 07:42 - Mar 15 by Herbivore |
I'll be keeping an eye out for any stealthy tax breaks for the wealthy. |
Fingers crossed. In these hard times I’ve had to lay off the footman and the gillie. |  |
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| Today's Budget on 09:56 - Mar 15 with 996 views | Churchman |
| Today's Budget on 09:41 - Mar 15 by Pinewoodblue |
Back in the day the contents of the budget were never leaked in advance yet these days very little comes as a surprise.
Personally I will be more interested in the oppositions response. Think most of us agree they couldn’t do any worse than the current bunch but it is time to start telling us how things are going to be better.
It is time to say why we should have a Labour government rather than why we shouldn’t have a Tory one. |
Not if you believe, as I do, that governments lose elections; opposition don’t win them. It’s a cliche, but there’s a ring of truth about it.
Starmer will do well to keep his powder dry. Work behind the scenes and quietly create coherent policy for when the time is right. With two years of wrecking ball tories to go and no chance of unhooking their claws, now isn’t the time. |  | | |
| Today's Budget on 09:58 - Mar 15 with 994 views | clive_baker |
| Today's Budget on 09:28 - Mar 15 by usm |
Easy Tiger
You cant say anything positive about the Tories on here
Phil'll get his Banhammer out
Just watch |
I literally can't think of a single example of that ever happening.
Unless by saying something positive about the Tories you mean being a massive swivel eyed prejudiced bigot. In fairness to you, the intersection on that Venn diagram is pretty sizeable so I can see the confusion. | |
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| Today's Budget on 10:00 - Mar 15 with 991 views | itfcjoe |
| Today's Budget on 09:49 - Mar 15 by clive_baker |
Presumably they'll all just stick their prices up, knowing the government are paying for it based not on absolute cash value, but hours. |
For those 3+ currently the Govt just pay a set amount per child - the nurseries don't bill them what they would like - they are given a figure.
My Sis-in-laws friend couldn't make hers sustainable at that price and had to shut her nursery down - and probably a reason why those full time nurseries are so expensive for U3s because they have to make up the money elsewhere.
Even when it is 'free' I still have to pay £26 a day for mine to cover 8am-9am and 3pm-6pm and food plus school holidays etc, opposed to the £65 a day when it is not funded .
I think you'll see more nurseries just not offering places to those who purely want to use school hours as they will cost them money.
Also, a number of the nurseries who just take on funded places currently are shut 13 weeks a year as it is as mirror term times so that's still not going to allow people to get fully pack into work - 39 weeks a year at 9am-3pm | |
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| Today's Budget on 10:03 - Mar 15 with 973 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Today's Budget on 09:49 - Mar 15 by clive_baker |
It is means tested to some degree. Only those earning <100k p/a are eligible. |
Tough times - best not to take that payrise if you are on 98 grand then… | | | |
| Today's Budget on 10:10 - Mar 15 with 970 views | RobTheMonk |
The twins turn 1 next month so not bad timing for me! |  | | |
| Today's Budget on 11:01 - Mar 15 with 925 views | Oldsmoker |
If the Tories care about children then they should remove the ruling that says you get no benefits for the 3rd child, 4th child..... if you're on Universal credit.
Will this free childcare places giveaway be used by non-working mums to meet up with their friends for a glass of chardonnay at a Chelsea wine bar.
They could look after their child all day but they'd rather not if someone else will look after them for free. |  |
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| Today's Budget on 11:04 - Mar 15 with 924 views | itfcjoe |
| Today's Budget on 11:01 - Mar 15 by Oldsmoker |
If the Tories care about children then they should remove the ruling that says you get no benefits for the 3rd child, 4th child..... if you're on Universal credit.
Will this free childcare places giveaway be used by non-working mums to meet up with their friends for a glass of chardonnay at a Chelsea wine bar.
They could look after their child all day but they'd rather not if someone else will look after them for free. |
I think parents have to (both) work at least 16 hours a week in order to get the hours.
And the exceptions are for those who don't work who get the hours despite not working | |
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| Today's Budget on 11:06 - Mar 15 with 907 views | J2BLUE |
| Today's Budget on 11:01 - Mar 15 by Oldsmoker |
If the Tories care about children then they should remove the ruling that says you get no benefits for the 3rd child, 4th child..... if you're on Universal credit.
Will this free childcare places giveaway be used by non-working mums to meet up with their friends for a glass of chardonnay at a Chelsea wine bar.
They could look after their child all day but they'd rather not if someone else will look after them for free. |
Bit of an odd take. | |
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| Today's Budget on 12:04 - Mar 15 with 872 views | Oldsmoker |
| Today's Budget on 11:06 - Mar 15 by J2BLUE |
Bit of an odd take. |
I am a bit odd aren't I.
Itfcjoe has already pointed out the error in my thinking. | |
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| Today's Budget on 12:13 - Mar 15 with 862 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Today's Budget on 09:43 - Mar 15 by NeedhamChris |
I think the argument - which could well be fiscally sound even if I get your point, is that it's not £4bn thrown away as that money is going directly to childcare providers and also in terms of additional contributions to the economy from those who may have needed to give up work. Additional tax take, money in the pockets of more childcare providers, and probably more.
Personally I think there's social rights that a society should have and I think some degree of universal childcare provision is one of those. |
These are all fair points. I'd like to see a Universal Basic Income, for similar reasons but it's for everyone not just childcare providers. And with a UBI people wouldn't need subsidised childcare so much either. |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Today's Budget on 13:23 - Mar 15 with 823 views | NeedhamChris |
| Today's Budget on 12:13 - Mar 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
These are all fair points. I'd like to see a Universal Basic Income, for similar reasons but it's for everyone not just childcare providers. And with a UBI people wouldn't need subsidised childcare so much either. |
Agree with that entirely - UBI feels like the way forward.
Irrespective of political leaning - should be pragmatic approach to dealing with a more and more automated economy. | |
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| Today's Budget on 13:32 - Mar 15 with 791 views | J2BLUE |
| Today's Budget on 13:23 - Mar 15 by NeedhamChris |
Agree with that entirely - UBI feels like the way forward.
Irrespective of political leaning - should be pragmatic approach to dealing with a more and more automated economy. |
Why have the benefits be for everyone though when you can just cut staff, drive down wages and have all the profit go to shareholders?
If we want to share in the benefits of this technology we are going to have to fight for it. We need someone with Corbyn's ideas without the baggage*
*I have no intention of starting a debate about Corbyn in this thread | |
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| Today's Budget on 16:06 - Mar 15 with 704 views | HARRY10 |
Childcare package falling apart already.
It’s not 30 hours free childcare all year round.
It’s up to 30 hours, with a cap of £3.70 per hour, 6 hour max and term time only.
There are 2.4 children for every childcare place in England, and there has been a 19% decline in the number of providers since 2017. | | | |
| Today's Budget on 16:16 - Mar 15 with 689 views | Herbivore |
| Today's Budget on 07:42 - Mar 15 by Herbivore |
I'll be keeping an eye out for any stealthy tax breaks for the wealthy. |
Up to £27k tax break for high earners. Sweet.
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| Today's Budget on 16:39 - Mar 15 with 655 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Today's Budget on 16:16 - Mar 15 by Herbivore |
Up to £27k tax break for high earners. Sweet.
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