| I really think this might be the end for Johnson 10:40 - Mar 22 with 9673 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
Pippa Crerar (the lead journalist breaking the original Partygate story) is combing through the documents bundle released today by the Parliamentary Committee.
Here's a fairly key Tweet:
Nice strategy Number10! That worked out well!
The tweet following re Case's evidence is also another nail in the coffin for Johnson. [Post edited 22 Mar 2023 10:41]
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| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:11 - Mar 22 with 1377 views | BlueBadger |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:05 - Mar 22 by Herbivore |
What in the name of Christ is this drivel? |
Distracted by the view of a Very Large Village Green, i reckon. |  |
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| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:15 - Mar 22 with 1357 views | MattinLondon |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 17:29 - Mar 22 by airliner |
Just trying to stop the hate of democracy, a lot of people forget that. I am sorry if you hate me for pointing we can have opinions. No I don’t agree with any of his comments on those things that were homophobic or racist. But I do agree with leaving the EU, not Europe , it’s completely different. The Eu is a cartel, to make MEPS rich not any citizens. So please stop trying to make me out as a bigot , just because you support them |
This is the sort of post I really dislike. The whole ‘if you don’t agree with me then you probably hate me’ argument. It’s absolute bollox. No one hates you for your line of argument- you’re simply not that important - no one on here really is.
So, can you stop your victim mentality as it’s quite pathetic.
Oh, Boris is a charlatan, a fraud and a complete embarrassment to decency. |  | | |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:18 - Mar 22 with 1347 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 16:36 - Mar 22 by airliner |
A lot of the commentators must be remainders , Will
Just leave it there |
Who is Will?
And do you think supporting Johnson is a Brexiteer thing rather than excusing corruption and lying?
I suppose there was a big overlap. |  |
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| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:23 - Mar 22 with 1329 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 16:55 - Mar 22 by airliner |
It was the heart of government, they weee making loads of decisions , some not good I concede.
How would you have done it then?
Did follow every rule to its guidance? I don’t think many people did.
Anyway those that live in glass houses , cast the first stone.
There are so many parsimonious socialists on here who claim to be perfect citizens |
The "I'm not perfect, so it's OK for the PM to be a corrupt liar who misleads parliament" argument.
Do you use that one to justify every crime regardless of its severity?
Besides, I think you will find the vast majority were following the rules even though it was often at great personal cost. That is why the very people making them blatantly disregarding them and then lying about it sticks so much in the throat.
You do make a valid point that it is the party of Government (including Cummings) to blame as much as just Johnson, though. | |
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| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:30 - Mar 22 with 1298 views | Swansea_Blue |
Welcome back airliner, it's been a long time. The last couple of years can't have been easy for you if you're a 'Boris' supporter. |  |
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| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:30 - Mar 22 with 1294 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 17:29 - Mar 22 by airliner |
Just trying to stop the hate of democracy, a lot of people forget that. I am sorry if you hate me for pointing we can have opinions. No I don’t agree with any of his comments on those things that were homophobic or racist. But I do agree with leaving the EU, not Europe , it’s completely different. The Eu is a cartel, to make MEPS rich not any citizens. So please stop trying to make me out as a bigot , just because you support them |
Doesn't democracy include accountability? Isn't it part of a democratic process that you are actually railing against? Where is anyone hating democracy?
Presumably, as you love it so much, you will be happy to rejoin the "cartel" as soon as a democratic decision agrees to it. You do realise that citizens of the UK are demonstrably poorer for having left the EU so your statement is just plain false propaganda? I would be very interested to compare how much money MEPs make from all sources compared to MPs. | |
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| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:33 - Mar 22 with 1284 views | Ryorry |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 16:55 - Mar 22 by airliner |
It was the heart of government, they weee making loads of decisions , some not good I concede.
How would you have done it then?
Did follow every rule to its guidance? I don’t think many people did.
Anyway those that live in glass houses , cast the first stone.
There are so many parsimonious socialists on here who claim to be perfect citizens |
I'm gonna rise to your challenge. If I'd been PM -
1. I'd have gone with what my science & medical advisors advocated.
2. I'd have stuck 100% to the guidelines they and other specialist advisors advocated, and insisted that my staff, colleagues & family did the same.
3. I'd have watched what was going on in Italy & other places, & acted swiftly & flexibly as required.
4. I'd have had empathy with what others in the UK & globally were going through & not done partying of any kind.
5. I'd have ordered fully guaranteed PPE from manufacturers proven reliable & experienced in producing it in bulk, not bunged iffy contracts to mates who'd never supplied it before. Consequently, fewer super-dedicated NHS workers would have ended up sacrificing their lives or long-term health.
6. Ditto a decent T&T system, which would also have resulted in fewer lives being lost amongst the general population.
Shameful that you've decided to crawl out of the woodwork just to defend the indefensible. |  |
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| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:36 - Mar 22 with 1272 views | tractordownsouth |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 17:29 - Mar 22 by airliner |
Just trying to stop the hate of democracy, a lot of people forget that. I am sorry if you hate me for pointing we can have opinions. No I don’t agree with any of his comments on those things that were homophobic or racist. But I do agree with leaving the EU, not Europe , it’s completely different. The Eu is a cartel, to make MEPS rich not any citizens. So please stop trying to make me out as a bigot , just because you support them |
What's the EU got to do with partygate? |  |
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| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:37 - Mar 22 with 1267 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:33 - Mar 22 by Ryorry |
I'm gonna rise to your challenge. If I'd been PM -
1. I'd have gone with what my science & medical advisors advocated.
2. I'd have stuck 100% to the guidelines they and other specialist advisors advocated, and insisted that my staff, colleagues & family did the same.
3. I'd have watched what was going on in Italy & other places, & acted swiftly & flexibly as required.
4. I'd have had empathy with what others in the UK & globally were going through & not done partying of any kind.
5. I'd have ordered fully guaranteed PPE from manufacturers proven reliable & experienced in producing it in bulk, not bunged iffy contracts to mates who'd never supplied it before. Consequently, fewer super-dedicated NHS workers would have ended up sacrificing their lives or long-term health.
6. Ditto a decent T&T system, which would also have resulted in fewer lives being lost amongst the general population.
Shameful that you've decided to crawl out of the woodwork just to defend the indefensible. |
Ah, but Corbyn ...
and democracy ...
and ...
er, got Brexit done. | |
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| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:40 - Mar 22 with 1254 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 17:37 - Mar 22 by BlueBadger |
If it helps, I'm not accusing you of being a fan of bigotry because I voted remain, I'm accusing you of being a fan of bigotry because you're turning up to offer a feeble defence of a bigot.
I'm quite surprised though that a self professed fan of democracy such as yourself would be a fan of a man who tried to bypass parliament unlawfully, accepted money from iffy Russians and was a figurehead for a movement which was found guilty on multiple counts of electoral fraud. [Post edited 22 Mar 2023 18:25]
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Point of Order!
You missed the bits about:
Illegally shutting down Parliament
Removing Judicial oversight of Ministerial decisions
Advocating breaking International Law
Increasing the number of laws made by Ministerial sign-off without Parliamentary scrutiny
Failing to publish Parliamentary Committee reports in a timely manner
Sacking (deselecting) long-established MPs from his own Party by text
Introducing a law to make Voter ID compulsory which discriminates on age as to which forms of ID are acceptable
Removing the independence of the Electoral Commission
Johnson has quite a long list of anti-democractic moves on his rap sheet.
Some might say that he and the other Tory PMs of recent years (too many to list) have brought in the equivalent of the Enabling Act. | | | |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:42 - Mar 22 with 1244 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:33 - Mar 22 by Ryorry |
I'm gonna rise to your challenge. If I'd been PM -
1. I'd have gone with what my science & medical advisors advocated.
2. I'd have stuck 100% to the guidelines they and other specialist advisors advocated, and insisted that my staff, colleagues & family did the same.
3. I'd have watched what was going on in Italy & other places, & acted swiftly & flexibly as required.
4. I'd have had empathy with what others in the UK & globally were going through & not done partying of any kind.
5. I'd have ordered fully guaranteed PPE from manufacturers proven reliable & experienced in producing it in bulk, not bunged iffy contracts to mates who'd never supplied it before. Consequently, fewer super-dedicated NHS workers would have ended up sacrificing their lives or long-term health.
6. Ditto a decent T&T system, which would also have resulted in fewer lives being lost amongst the general population.
Shameful that you've decided to crawl out of the woodwork just to defend the indefensible. |
You never have been PM, because you'd have had the integrity to not lie to the whole nation to win an election. | |
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| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:42 - Mar 22 with 1240 views | Plums |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 16:55 - Mar 22 by airliner |
It was the heart of government, they weee making loads of decisions , some not good I concede.
How would you have done it then?
Did follow every rule to its guidance? I don’t think many people did.
Anyway those that live in glass houses , cast the first stone.
There are so many parsimonious socialists on here who claim to be perfect citizens |
My father spent the best part of three months in hospital recovering from a heart operation, the recovery from which nearly killed him. I was the only member of the family who saw him in person during that time - it was for an hour when he was unconscious in ICU. Thankfully he made it through. For those who caught covid or died of other causes and were alone during that period, I can only imagine what they and their families went through.
For his contempt of those people alone, Boris Johnson can go to hell along with those who defend him. |  |
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| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:44 - Mar 22 with 1224 views | tractordownsouth |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:40 - Mar 22 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Point of Order!
You missed the bits about:
Illegally shutting down Parliament
Removing Judicial oversight of Ministerial decisions
Advocating breaking International Law
Increasing the number of laws made by Ministerial sign-off without Parliamentary scrutiny
Failing to publish Parliamentary Committee reports in a timely manner
Sacking (deselecting) long-established MPs from his own Party by text
Introducing a law to make Voter ID compulsory which discriminates on age as to which forms of ID are acceptable
Removing the independence of the Electoral Commission
Johnson has quite a long list of anti-democractic moves on his rap sheet.
Some might say that he and the other Tory PMs of recent years (too many to list) have brought in the equivalent of the Enabling Act. |
Yeah, but apart from that... | |
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| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:49 - Mar 22 with 1214 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 16:36 - Mar 22 by airliner |
A lot of the commentators must be remainders , Will
Just leave it there |
Just to let you know:
Bernard Jenkin, one of the Tory MPs on the Committee, and the one who probably pushed Johnson hardest today, was a huge, long-time, Brexiteer.
But he also doesn't think a Prime Minister should lie to Parliament, and should face investigation, and possible sanction, if it appears they have.
Read, or watch, his questions and Johnson's answers. That is a key member of Team Brexit. He isn't a Remainer. | | | |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:52 - Mar 22 with 1193 views | Ryorry |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:42 - Mar 22 by Swansea_Blue |
You never have been PM, because you'd have had the integrity to not lie to the whole nation to win an election. |
True of millions & politics generally, sadly - so many decent people won't go into it because of the apparent corruption & toxicity (esp women who don't want to be targets of horrendous abuse) - when obviously they're just the sort needed. Chicken & egg situation. | |
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| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:56 - Mar 22 with 1179 views | BlueBadger |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:49 - Mar 22 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Just to let you know:
Bernard Jenkin, one of the Tory MPs on the Committee, and the one who probably pushed Johnson hardest today, was a huge, long-time, Brexiteer.
But he also doesn't think a Prime Minister should lie to Parliament, and should face investigation, and possible sanction, if it appears they have.
Read, or watch, his questions and Johnson's answers. That is a key member of Team Brexit. He isn't a Remainer. |
Although, as a Brexiteer, he will be extremely comfortable with the notion of of lying to the public. | |
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| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 19:01 - Mar 22 with 1151 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:52 - Mar 22 by Ryorry |
True of millions & politics generally, sadly - so many decent people won't go into it because of the apparent corruption & toxicity (esp women who don't want to be targets of horrendous abuse) - when obviously they're just the sort needed. Chicken & egg situation. |
And getting worse, isn't it. The amount of cash you know need to replace a salary while campaigning and cover increasingly extravagant media campaigns rules most normal people out of it, sadly. | |
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| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 19:13 - Mar 22 with 1122 views | BlueNomad |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 16:55 - Mar 22 by airliner |
It was the heart of government, they weee making loads of decisions , some not good I concede.
How would you have done it then?
Did follow every rule to its guidance? I don’t think many people did.
Anyway those that live in glass houses , cast the first stone.
There are so many parsimonious socialists on here who claim to be perfect citizens |
If Johnson is found not to have misled Parliament then he will prove himself to be an ignorant fool. Millions of far less well educated people understood the rules enough to stick within them but the man who delivered them, and was supposed to steer the country through the crisis, didn’t know them, despite consulting his army of advisers.
He is guilty. |  | | |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 19:18 - Mar 22 with 1113 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 19:13 - Mar 22 by BlueNomad |
If Johnson is found not to have misled Parliament then he will prove himself to be an ignorant fool. Millions of far less well educated people understood the rules enough to stick within them but the man who delivered them, and was supposed to steer the country through the crisis, didn’t know them, despite consulting his army of advisers.
He is guilty. |
It's the Redknapp tax evasion defence isn't it? It was decided his argument that he was too stupid was very plausible. However, Johnson really can't get away with that can he? | |
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| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 19:20 - Mar 22 with 1114 views | Mullet |
Watching the mask slip here is as telling as it is chilling.
This is the man happy to "let the bodies pile high" to live unaffected and without sacrifice as he reeled in more and more money, because being PM was "chicken feed" on which he couldn't live his lifestyle.
How he and several others are not serving serious jail time I'll never know.
This series is a very even sided and factual account of the latter https://www.tortoisemedia.com/audio/family-money/ |  |
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| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 19:30 - Mar 22 with 1076 views | Ryorry |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 19:20 - Mar 22 by Mullet |
Watching the mask slip here is as telling as it is chilling.
This is the man happy to "let the bodies pile high" to live unaffected and without sacrifice as he reeled in more and more money, because being PM was "chicken feed" on which he couldn't live his lifestyle.
How he and several others are not serving serious jail time I'll never know.
This series is a very even sided and factual account of the latter https://www.tortoisemedia.com/audio/family-money/ |
Look at the expressions & body language of those sitting behind him as well. Disbelief, contempt & even an eyeroll. | |
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| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 20:48 - Mar 22 with 964 views | mrshallisfit |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 16:55 - Mar 22 by airliner |
It was the heart of government, they weee making loads of decisions , some not good I concede.
How would you have done it then?
Did follow every rule to its guidance? I don’t think many people did.
Anyway those that live in glass houses , cast the first stone.
There are so many parsimonious socialists on here who claim to be perfect citizens |
You are complaining about people being parsimonious while you give Johnson the benefit of the doubt even though it has been shown how he deceived and lied repeatedly. You have a very faulty moral compass. | | | |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 21:37 - Mar 22 with 886 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 20:48 - Mar 22 by mrshallisfit |
You are complaining about people being parsimonious while you give Johnson the benefit of the doubt even though it has been shown how he deceived and lied repeatedly. You have a very faulty moral compass. |
I think the argument is that, unless you are perfect you cannot complain about anyone committing any act of evil no matter how serious that act is.
I would suggest Airliner's moral compass has been completely jettisoned rather than gone faulty.
It also suggests in the context of other comments that Airliner took little notice of the rules themselves and so finds it inconceivable that others did. As far as I am aware, the vast majority followed the rules fairly explicitly. | |
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| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 22:15 - Mar 22 with 847 views | ElderGrizzly |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 15:52 - Mar 22 by jontysnut |
I'm not sure if more annoyed that the lawyer sitting next to him is getting paid £1.38 per second. |
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| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 22:50 - Mar 22 with 798 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| I really think this might be the end for Johnson on 18:56 - Mar 22 by BlueBadger |
Although, as a Brexiteer, he will be extremely comfortable with the notion of of lying to the public. |
I am trying the hearts and minds approach with Brexiteers, Badger. .
Worth a shot... | | | |
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