| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 09:29 - Apr 16 with 3832 views | J2BLUE |
I think his time just naturally came to an end. Football moved on and he didn't. Not saying he wasn't a good manager but I have been surprised he still gets jobs in the Championship. I thought the APOEL job was the end for him. Can't see him back in management unless it's firefighting for a league one club. |  |
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| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 09:33 - Apr 16 with 3792 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
"I think it's a genuine shame to see how his career hasn't recovered since his time here."
During his time here, Mick became genuinely bitter.
I don't think that was directly us as fans that did that, but largely the way he was hamstrung by Evans, and then the fact most of us directed our fury at MM rather than ME.
That must have been infuriating for him, but sadly it boiled over into public 'spats' with the fans.
Chairman looking on, in an age of football, where the importance of fans to a clubs success seems to have been finally realised would not have been impressed by that, plus football has moved on, and MM's style of football is dying out. |  |
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| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 09:36 - Apr 16 with 3773 views | tractordownsouth |
| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 09:29 - Apr 16 by J2BLUE |
I think his time just naturally came to an end. Football moved on and he didn't. Not saying he wasn't a good manager but I have been surprised he still gets jobs in the Championship. I thought the APOEL job was the end for him. Can't see him back in management unless it's firefighting for a league one club. |
Agreed that League One is probably where he gets a job next, if he doesn't just retire. There isn't really a Warnock equivalent down here, so there's a gap in the market for a survival specialist if he learns from his Blackpool mistakes.
It also wouldn't surprise me to see him take a national job somewhere, as he's gone abroad before. Keeping it tight and relying on set pieces usually works well in international football but absolutely no idea which country that would be with. Doubt Ireland will give him a third go, so it would have to be a really random appointment probably on another continent. |  |
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| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 09:37 - Apr 16 with 3759 views | ArnieM |
He’s brand of football is old hat , and frankly significantly outdated in the modern game. Usually his best attributes are to shore up leaky teams battling against relegation, beyond that he rarely
“ builds” ( I think Wolves being the only exception?) |  |
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| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 09:40 - Apr 16 with 3711 views | BloomBlue |
All football managers have a sell by date. Football is no different to life, as we get older we invariably don't operate at the same level.
Would (did) Sir Bob operate at the same level as he got older. Roy Hodgson may be an exception, but if he did stay as CP manager next season you can guarantee he'll get sacked at some stage with fans moaning his style is old-fashioned and he hasn't moved with the times. |  | | |
| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 09:45 - Apr 16 with 3681 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 09:37 - Apr 16 by ArnieM |
He’s brand of football is old hat , and frankly significantly outdated in the modern game. Usually his best attributes are to shore up leaky teams battling against relegation, beyond that he rarely
“ builds” ( I think Wolves being the only exception?) |
To be fair to MM.
He wasn't really allowed to build here, and then the second he was out the door, Lord Voldemort sanctioned Hurst in dismantling what was here. [Post edited 16 Apr 2023 9:45]
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| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 09:56 - Apr 16 with 3622 views | WeWereZombies |
The comments in the blog about McCarthy picking up lower league players and transforming them into club assets valued in the millions has me thinking about how many other managers do that now, in other words the McCarthy/Connor act has a lot more, and more successful, competitors now. Also the blog ignores the many failures, for every Tyrone Mings there were five Larsen Toures (and one of those was enough...)
And again, the comment about having a single flair player such as McGoldrick or Tom Lawrence is susceptible to the question of whether there is greater competition for that type of player nowadays. The club model that McCarthy has tended towards, one that has a firm grasp on the purse strings (or is too damn tight depending on your strategy on finance), is unlikely to compete successfully for those players now.
So the money (where the heck is it coming from and why ?) is paradoxically forcing McCarthy out of the game and that could mean that if a post pandemic crash really takes hold then opportunities for him will arise again. |  |
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| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 10:00 - Apr 16 with 3591 views | J2BLUE |
| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 09:45 - Apr 16 by Cheltenham_Blue |
To be fair to MM.
He wasn't really allowed to build here, and then the second he was out the door, Lord Voldemort sanctioned Hurst in dismantling what was here. [Post edited 16 Apr 2023 9:45]
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Agree. Even when we found quality free agents we ended up selling them or losing them on free transfers. Selling Murphy was criminal. I understand he may have wanted to go but we should have based that deal how Liverpool did when selling Torres saying they wanted Carroll and £15.
I still debate with Phil whether Best was ever called Murphy's replacement. I am sure I remember MM saying this after Murphy was sold, even if best was already on trial. | |
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| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 10:15 - Apr 16 with 3492 views | ibbleobble |
Being obstinate and egotistical is his Achilles heel. He’s been quite bitter about falling from grace since being sacked in the PL and it’s been a long, slow and protracted demise since. Too many nay sayers arguing the toss for too long have caused this prolonged, drawn out discussion. Hopefully he retires with grace and gets the respect he deserves but further contracts will make him become largely forgettable. |  | | |
| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 10:23 - Apr 16 with 3456 views | tractordownsouth |
| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 09:56 - Apr 16 by WeWereZombies |
The comments in the blog about McCarthy picking up lower league players and transforming them into club assets valued in the millions has me thinking about how many other managers do that now, in other words the McCarthy/Connor act has a lot more, and more successful, competitors now. Also the blog ignores the many failures, for every Tyrone Mings there were five Larsen Toures (and one of those was enough...)
And again, the comment about having a single flair player such as McGoldrick or Tom Lawrence is susceptible to the question of whether there is greater competition for that type of player nowadays. The club model that McCarthy has tended towards, one that has a firm grasp on the purse strings (or is too damn tight depending on your strategy on finance), is unlikely to compete successfully for those players now.
So the money (where the heck is it coming from and why ?) is paradoxically forcing McCarthy out of the game and that could mean that if a post pandemic crash really takes hold then opportunities for him will arise again. |
Fair point on Larsen Toure. I think Blackpool had that technical player in the squad with Josh Bowler and Charlie Patino though, although they're both loanees.
I'd argue there has been a bit of a post-pandemic crash in the Championship. Outside the parachute clubs, nobody else is spending in the way that Derby and Sheffield Wednesday used to. The teams that have succeeded have had greater continuity though. Rob Edwards is playing similar football to Nathan Jones at Luton for example. The squad didn't suit McCarthy there but he had other failings with man management and inability to settle on a system. | |
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| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 10:29 - Apr 16 with 3436 views | clive_baker |
His style of football is certainly a little outdated and the issue with that isn’t so much it’s ability to be effective, I think it can still yield results, albeit with limited aesthetic appeal, but rather the extent to which you can get buy in from the players you’re managing. That was the issue at Blackpool, the players didn’t like it, didn’t like his style and never bought into him. It became fractious in a very short space of time, words were crossed and the dressing room wasn’t a nice place to be. Senior players made their thoughts known and ultimately there was never any coming back from that.
There’s parallels between Blackpool and us in our relegation season. Player power got Appleton out after 6 months, it’s now got McCarthy out after even less time. The issue they both had is they aren’t Critchley, who was regarded as a bit of a McKenna type. Young, progressive, tactically astute and with an excellent pedigree. Dobbie might be quite a shrewd temporary appointment in that he’s well liked there, might get a reaction of sorts. But it’s too little too late for them, can’t see them making up that points gap. |  |
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| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 11:23 - Apr 16 with 3212 views | Garv |
Hes rightly been overtaken by managers and coaches like McKenna.
He seemed to not care one bit about entertainment. He felt players giving 100% and being organized was enough.
Maybe he couldn't do it, fair enough if so. But we were so right to demand more entertainment. |  |
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| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 11:46 - Apr 16 with 3142 views | bournemouthblue |
I think his style probably has come to an end, now modern tactics have superceded a lot of what his side's did well
He was a decent manager and clearly Evans' stifled him doing more, whether he would achieved it with a bigger budget, we will never know
Sometimes you have to take a few steps to go to go forward and McKenna and the new owners will definitely progress us beyond what McCarthy ever offered us, even when he managed to get 27 goals out of Daryl Murphy |  |
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| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 11:53 - Apr 16 with 3125 views | clive_baker |
| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 11:46 - Apr 16 by bournemouthblue |
I think his style probably has come to an end, now modern tactics have superceded a lot of what his side's did well
He was a decent manager and clearly Evans' stifled him doing more, whether he would achieved it with a bigger budget, we will never know
Sometimes you have to take a few steps to go to go forward and McKenna and the new owners will definitely progress us beyond what McCarthy ever offered us, even when he managed to get 27 goals out of Daryl Murphy |
We’ve certainly taken a few steps back in recent years haven’t we! 11th in L1 ffs.
As you say, I wouldn’t bet against us, in 12 months time being as far forward as we have been in 2 decades both in terms of league position and readiness for challenging for promotion to the top division. | |
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| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 12:30 - Apr 16 with 3031 views | bournemouthblue |
| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 11:53 - Apr 16 by clive_baker |
We’ve certainly taken a few steps back in recent years haven’t we! 11th in L1 ffs.
As you say, I wouldn’t bet against us, in 12 months time being as far forward as we have been in 2 decades both in terms of league position and readiness for challenging for promotion to the top division. |
It wasn't so long ago that 15th place was our worst finish in the Championship for 50 odd years, that's how competitive we were in that league until Evans grip took hold
I don't know what Evans long term plan was, I don't think there was one frankly, it was all tied with the Olympic bid and getting us up quickly, when that failed, he began to cut his losses and continually downsized us, off the pitch
These new owners seem to have a better grip of how to run a football club and will continue to back us, to get us where we need to be | |
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| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 12:38 - Apr 16 with 3007 views | patrickswell |
I did get annoyed by a post I saw on Twitter recently after the Derby game which linked to a tweet from the night Mick quit in which the poster cited that as the night things changed at ITFC and led us to where we are now. There’s a few others who’ve used McKenna’s record and form in League One as a stick to bash McCarthy with. I get that aesthetics may be playing a part in that, but given what the club went through between June 2018 and April 2021 - followed by further bumps up to December 2021, I really don’t think that those doing it have quite thought their attacks through. Mick didn’t help himself but he was never the biggest problem at ITFC and it is staggering that he was the only one of Evans’s picks who managed to get even the basics of team management right.
Take his reign out of it, and the Evans era was the longest ongoing run of incompetence and underperformance in the club’s history. |  | | |
| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 12:54 - Apr 16 with 2946 views | patrickswell |
| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 09:37 - Apr 16 by ArnieM |
He’s brand of football is old hat , and frankly significantly outdated in the modern game. Usually his best attributes are to shore up leaky teams battling against relegation, beyond that he rarely
“ builds” ( I think Wolves being the only exception?) |
Would you not say that he “built” here? It would be possible to name 2 or 3 distinctive teams that he put out through his tenure - contrast that to Jewell and Keane who, in a shorter timespan admittedly, never really settled on anyone. | | | |
| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 13:11 - Apr 16 with 2874 views | Swansea_Blue |
A good read as usual TDS. His time at Ireland seems to have followed the same pattern. I haven’t followed Ireland at all closely, but I know at least one of our Irish/Irishnbasednosters has said the whole team needed a massive re-build after he left. |  |
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| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 13:20 - Apr 16 with 2849 views | textbackup |
His sort aren’t able to keep up with where football has moved to.
Oh well. |  |
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| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 14:56 - Apr 16 with 2646 views | tractordownsouth |
| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 13:11 - Apr 16 by Swansea_Blue |
A good read as usual TDS. His time at Ireland seems to have followed the same pattern. I haven’t followed Ireland at all closely, but I know at least one of our Irish/Irishnbasednosters has said the whole team needed a massive re-build after he left. |
Cheers. Yeah I didn't follow it closely but even though they nearly qualified for the Euros I remember them scoring very few goals. Think they only beat Gibraltar 1-0 for example. | |
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| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 14:59 - Apr 16 with 2631 views | tractordownsouth |
| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 12:38 - Apr 16 by patrickswell |
I did get annoyed by a post I saw on Twitter recently after the Derby game which linked to a tweet from the night Mick quit in which the poster cited that as the night things changed at ITFC and led us to where we are now. There’s a few others who’ve used McKenna’s record and form in League One as a stick to bash McCarthy with. I get that aesthetics may be playing a part in that, but given what the club went through between June 2018 and April 2021 - followed by further bumps up to December 2021, I really don’t think that those doing it have quite thought their attacks through. Mick didn’t help himself but he was never the biggest problem at ITFC and it is staggering that he was the only one of Evans’s picks who managed to get even the basics of team management right.
Take his reign out of it, and the Evans era was the longest ongoing run of incompetence and underperformance in the club’s history. |
Yeah I saw that and it annoyed me too. The time was right to part ways but for most of his tenure we outperformed our budget and it's a bit early to start gloating about how much better off we are without him when we're still a division lower than we were when he left.
As I mentioned in the article, it's almost impossible to reconcile the wishes of the fanbase and the skillset of the squad in the aftermath of McCarthy. Even so, our relegation was primarily down to Evans, with Hurst and Lambert each giving him a big helping hand. | |
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| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 15:58 - Apr 16 with 2505 views | yorkshireblue |
| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 09:36 - Apr 16 by tractordownsouth |
Agreed that League One is probably where he gets a job next, if he doesn't just retire. There isn't really a Warnock equivalent down here, so there's a gap in the market for a survival specialist if he learns from his Blackpool mistakes.
It also wouldn't surprise me to see him take a national job somewhere, as he's gone abroad before. Keeping it tight and relying on set pieces usually works well in international football but absolutely no idea which country that would be with. Doubt Ireland will give him a third go, so it would have to be a really random appointment probably on another continent. |
A good friend of mine is from Barnsley, with
Cypriot parents.
He’s told me it’s only the fact Ketsbaia was sacked by his club and suddenly available that stopped McCarthy. No idea if it’s just speculation or an ITK jobby, but he claims a deal was agreed, but not signed last summer. |  | | |
| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 16:02 - Apr 16 with 2496 views | jontysnut |
| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 13:20 - Apr 16 by textbackup |
His sort aren’t able to keep up with where football has moved to.
Oh well. |
Yes, it's becoming a younger game all round -players, managers even owners. Old school 'gaffers' increasingly hard to fit in other than Red Adair fire fighting jobs. |  | | |
| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 22:14 - Apr 16 with 2294 views | Stewart27 |
| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 09:36 - Apr 16 by tractordownsouth |
Agreed that League One is probably where he gets a job next, if he doesn't just retire. There isn't really a Warnock equivalent down here, so there's a gap in the market for a survival specialist if he learns from his Blackpool mistakes.
It also wouldn't surprise me to see him take a national job somewhere, as he's gone abroad before. Keeping it tight and relying on set pieces usually works well in international football but absolutely no idea which country that would be with. Doubt Ireland will give him a third go, so it would have to be a really random appointment probably on another continent. |
Survival specialist?
Didn’t he almost take Cardiff and now Blackpool down? | | | |
| Where did it all go wrong for Mick McCarthy? on 23:08 - Apr 16 with 2208 views | Daninthecampo |
Different times, football moves on, just look at Mourinho hailed the new messiah got totally found out and now managing a mid table italian team | | | |
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