| Ashton/New stand 07:19 - May 3 with 11703 views | EssexBloo |
I might be reading too much into it but does anyone else find it strange that MA mentions this in every single interview now, unprompted last night as well. Is he trying to put pressure on owners to make that investment or pressure on council to allow it perhaps? |  | | |  |
| Ashton/New stand on 10:49 - May 3 with 2494 views | xrayspecs |
| Ashton/New stand on 10:22 - May 3 by SamWhiteUK |
When building a new stand to increase capacity, surely you're without some/all of that stand for a long time, massively reducing capacity? never seen it done, admittedly, so I might be wrong, but how do you time it correctly? |
A new structure would take 9-12 months.
When Town put a second tier on the old Churchmans stand, they built behind and over without affecting capacity in lower tier. They then gradually opened upper tier as work completed.
I was in Cobbold on Saturday. It is cramped with poor facilities, so imagine any plan to expand capacity would see it being knocked down and replaced with new stand. | | | |
| Ashton/New stand on 11:03 - May 3 with 2414 views | Guthrum |
| Ashton/New stand on 10:25 - May 3 by OldFart71 |
It will take many millions to get the squad up to one that can sustain a place in the Prem. Added to that in order to achieve extra income it will be important that the club has a capacity of between 35-40,000. I know some will refer back to the Burley/Sheepshank days and say " Look what happened then" but cercumstances are totally different now. Parchute payments are there, MvKenna and co are unlikely to buy a Matteo Sereni or Finidi George and also whilst the developement of the Cobbold Stand would cost considerably more than the North and Churchmans did they will only be building one and not two new stands. Players will be sourced, brought on and if a replacement can be found and selling is worthwhile then that will happen. I think the Gamechanger boys will be here nearer to ten years than five although who knows. If the transition from Division One to Prem is quick and a couple of seasons of sustaining a place in that League then things could happen faster ? |
Factored into the issues of the early 2000s also has to be the collapse of ITV Digital and their deal with the EFL, which directly caused dire financial troubles for many League football clubs.
While there is similar exposure should Sky go pop in a few years (and that would be a vastly bigger deal for the sport - indeed almost all major sport - on a worldwide scale), I don't feel the same kind of complete evaporation is likely given other competitors in the market (BT Sport, Amazon, etc.) would want the business and be prepared to pay for it. |  |
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| Ashton/New stand on 11:15 - May 3 with 2366 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Theres no planning application in place to refuse at the moment.
I'm not sure where people have got the idea that the council might be refusing - The council refusing permission without proper consultation and without an application being viewed is against all sorts of planning laws, even the council offering an opinion on acceptance or refusal isn't something they can do and have it legally hold up. |  |
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| Ashton/New stand on 11:27 - May 3 with 2345 views | PhilTWTD |
| Ashton/New stand on 11:03 - May 3 by Guthrum |
Factored into the issues of the early 2000s also has to be the collapse of ITV Digital and their deal with the EFL, which directly caused dire financial troubles for many League football clubs.
While there is similar exposure should Sky go pop in a few years (and that would be a vastly bigger deal for the sport - indeed almost all major sport - on a worldwide scale), I don't feel the same kind of complete evaporation is likely given other competitors in the market (BT Sport, Amazon, etc.) would want the business and be prepared to pay for it. |
Indeed, the stands weren't the issue which led to administration, player contracts, the transfer market collapse and ITV Digital were.
In fact, the stands were outside of the CVA. Indeed, the bond remained hanging over the club until Marcus Evans's takeover when it was written off by Norwich Union.
The narrative that the stands caused the problems, as per the 1980s, does seem to one which has developed recently. |  | | |
| Ashton/New stand on 12:03 - May 3 with 2255 views | Illinoisblue |
| Ashton/New stand on 10:22 - May 3 by SamWhiteUK |
When building a new stand to increase capacity, surely you're without some/all of that stand for a long time, massively reducing capacity? never seen it done, admittedly, so I might be wrong, but how do you time it correctly? |
Exactly; it’s a huge logistical puzzle to figure out timing of demolition and new build, all the while reducing capacity by 25% when the team is on the up. And where do you put the away fans? |  |
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| Ashton/New stand on 12:16 - May 3 with 2220 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Ashton/New stand on 10:22 - May 3 by SamWhiteUK |
When building a new stand to increase capacity, surely you're without some/all of that stand for a long time, massively reducing capacity? never seen it done, admittedly, so I might be wrong, but how do you time it correctly? |
I could well be making this up, but wasn't there someone recently who built a new stand, over their existing stand which meant spectators could still go to games, up until the point they needed to remove the old stand to fit in new structure/seating?
Could we not do a similar thing here, if the club took ownership of the road behind the Cobbold, with new stand being set back a bit?
Obviously that could well mean we have fans sit in there for 3-6 months of the season (for example) and then have to relocate them part way through a season? |  |
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| Ashton/New stand on 12:24 - May 3 with 2180 views | portmanking |
| Ashton/New stand on 12:16 - May 3 by Kieran_Knows |
I could well be making this up, but wasn't there someone recently who built a new stand, over their existing stand which meant spectators could still go to games, up until the point they needed to remove the old stand to fit in new structure/seating?
Could we not do a similar thing here, if the club took ownership of the road behind the Cobbold, with new stand being set back a bit?
Obviously that could well mean we have fans sit in there for 3-6 months of the season (for example) and then have to relocate them part way through a season? |
Is that Fulham's new side stand you're talking about? I'm not sure if that was the case, you could be right. | | | |
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| Ashton/New stand on 12:26 - May 3 with 2172 views | garygboltonblue |
| Ashton/New stand on 12:16 - May 3 by Kieran_Knows |
I could well be making this up, but wasn't there someone recently who built a new stand, over their existing stand which meant spectators could still go to games, up until the point they needed to remove the old stand to fit in new structure/seating?
Could we not do a similar thing here, if the club took ownership of the road behind the Cobbold, with new stand being set back a bit?
Obviously that could well mean we have fans sit in there for 3-6 months of the season (for example) and then have to relocate them part way through a season? |
I think it may have been Liverpool. | | | |
| Ashton/New stand on 12:41 - May 3 with 2109 views | jayessess |
| Ashton/New stand on 11:27 - May 3 by PhilTWTD |
Indeed, the stands weren't the issue which led to administration, player contracts, the transfer market collapse and ITV Digital were.
In fact, the stands were outside of the CVA. Indeed, the bond remained hanging over the club until Marcus Evans's takeover when it was written off by Norwich Union.
The narrative that the stands caused the problems, as per the 1980s, does seem to one which has developed recently. |
You can flip it round too, I think. In 2000 we went up with one of the best teams in our history and a 22,500-seater stadium. That small ground made it harder to capitalise on a high point for the club and harder to generate revenues competitive enough to build on that.
You could make the case that you'd have wanted all that in place already so you can grasp what might be a quite ephemeral opportunity to sustainably improve the club's status. |  |
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| Ashton/New stand on 12:51 - May 3 with 2063 views | nodge_blue |
Considering a new stand must cost circa 10 to 20 million - Im not totally sure how they would make a new cobbold stand viable without premier league money.
Id love to see the ground developed though. It's a lasting legacy.
Be nice to see that Staples area become a bar / restaurant / shop area for the club. |  |
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| Ashton/New stand on 13:01 - May 3 with 1997 views | DublinBlue84 |
| Ashton/New stand on 12:51 - May 3 by nodge_blue |
Considering a new stand must cost circa 10 to 20 million - Im not totally sure how they would make a new cobbold stand viable without premier league money.
Id love to see the ground developed though. It's a lasting legacy.
Be nice to see that Staples area become a bar / restaurant / shop area for the club. |
Wonder if they would consider using the Staples area for a shop etc and then that would allow them to infill the corner where the shop is now with seats? | |
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| Ashton/New stand on 13:11 - May 3 with 1942 views | J2BLUE |
What do we think the capacity will be next season?
29,334 vs Exeter. Maybe a little more segregation in the Championship. 2000 tickets to away fans. 27000 for home fans. 21000 ST holders. They are going to need to put some thought into the number of memberships and how many tickets people can buy. |  |
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| Ashton/New stand on 13:12 - May 3 with 1933 views | Alberto_the_frog |
| Ashton/New stand on 12:16 - May 3 by Kieran_Knows |
I could well be making this up, but wasn't there someone recently who built a new stand, over their existing stand which meant spectators could still go to games, up until the point they needed to remove the old stand to fit in new structure/seating?
Could we not do a similar thing here, if the club took ownership of the road behind the Cobbold, with new stand being set back a bit?
Obviously that could well mean we have fans sit in there for 3-6 months of the season (for example) and then have to relocate them part way through a season? |
The West stand was built above and behind the old one as there was plenty of room on the practice pitch. I think the East stand would have to be completely replaced. There is no room behind it, but I think Ashton has already mentioned the possibility of the road being rerouted, or even going underneath the stand. |  | | |
| Ashton/New stand on 13:13 - May 3 with 1922 views | portmanking |
| Ashton/New stand on 13:01 - May 3 by DublinBlue84 |
Wonder if they would consider using the Staples area for a shop etc and then that would allow them to infill the corner where the shop is now with seats? |
That's definitely an interesting idea, particularly given that it'll be hard to fill the opposite corner due to the new big screen etc. | | | |
| Ashton/New stand on 13:20 - May 3 with 1895 views | xrayspecs |
| Ashton/New stand on 13:01 - May 3 by DublinBlue84 |
Wonder if they would consider using the Staples area for a shop etc and then that would allow them to infill the corner where the shop is now with seats? |
You do realise that the North Stand roof support is also in the corner section. [Post edited 3 May 2023 13:28]
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| Ashton/New stand on 13:31 - May 3 with 1867 views | Illinoisblue |
| Ashton/New stand on 12:51 - May 3 by nodge_blue |
Considering a new stand must cost circa 10 to 20 million - Im not totally sure how they would make a new cobbold stand viable without premier league money.
Id love to see the ground developed though. It's a lasting legacy.
Be nice to see that Staples area become a bar / restaurant / shop area for the club. |
A new Cobbold stand would cost closer to 100million according to a couple of posters on here yesterday. Which seems astronomical. | |
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| Ashton/New stand on 13:57 - May 3 with 1814 views | J2BLUE |
| Ashton/New stand on 13:31 - May 3 by Illinoisblue |
A new Cobbold stand would cost closer to 100million according to a couple of posters on here yesterday. Which seems astronomical. |
I think we can safely say that is nonsense. | |
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| Ashton/New stand on 14:11 - May 3 with 1768 views | Harlestonblue |
| Ashton/New stand on 09:53 - May 3 by Bobbychase |
I was thinking that on Good Friday and also before and after the Exeter game, the town feels so different when the team is doing well. Pubs in particular must have been very happy with matchday receipts on Saturday.
Hopefully the negotiations with the council which are happening in the background go well, the town desperately needs an injection of money and new life. |
So much revenue coming in and who benefits? Hotels, restaurants, cafes, pubs, shops, Council run car parks, Park and Rides, increased employment, bus companies etc etc. | | | |
| Ashton/New stand on 14:12 - May 3 with 1764 views | Jon_456 |
| Ashton/New stand on 13:57 - May 3 by J2BLUE |
I think we can safely say that is nonsense. |
In fairness Fulham’s new Riverside stand is up to £120m now and is only 8,600 capacity, although appreciate they faced different challenges.
If the current Cobbold stand holds 7,000, you would expect a replacement to hold at least 9-10,000 with a wide range of other commercial facilities to generate revenue. So whilst it may not reach £100m, I would be very surprised if they were to manage to replace it for anything near £20m. | | | |
| Ashton/New stand on 14:29 - May 3 with 1708 views | J2BLUE |
| Ashton/New stand on 14:12 - May 3 by Jon_456 |
In fairness Fulham’s new Riverside stand is up to £120m now and is only 8,600 capacity, although appreciate they faced different challenges.
If the current Cobbold stand holds 7,000, you would expect a replacement to hold at least 9-10,000 with a wide range of other commercial facilities to generate revenue. So whilst it may not reach £100m, I would be very surprised if they were to manage to replace it for anything near £20m. |
Agree. £20m is a very different number though! | |
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| Ashton/New stand on 14:35 - May 3 with 1665 views | nodge_blue |
| Ashton/New stand on 10:22 - May 3 by SamWhiteUK |
When building a new stand to increase capacity, surely you're without some/all of that stand for a long time, massively reducing capacity? never seen it done, admittedly, so I might be wrong, but how do you time it correctly? |
Liverpool have done it with their anfield road stand. They've built above it really whilst keeping the stand largely open. | |
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