| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester 00:43 - May 18 with 7292 views | quirkie |
Heck going to be tough getting into the top 6 next season. Going to be a fair full houses. |  |
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| Somewhat blue tinted goggles there… on 09:34 - May 18 with 2139 views | unstableblue |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 08:54 - May 18 by itfctilidie |
Can't see Sunderland being a threat. They were poor last night and havent looked spectacular any time I have seen them play this season. They only got in the playoffs because other teams were poor - west brom, blackburn, millwall, scum - they all seemed to be desperately trying to not get into the playoffs by the end. |
Sunderland are a young side and will get better
But critically given your comment they were missing 4 or 5 key players for the play-off semis, including their central midfield captain, their main striker and any recognised centre back
Millwall will give us a good game |  |
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| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 09:43 - May 18 with 2119 views | BlueNomad |
Leicester will be shattered if they come down - not something they would have considered last summer. It will take them time. Ditto Leeds. Southampton the most likely out of the (potentially) relegated trio to challenge.
I think we'll be ok and challenging for top 6, certainly finishing top half. Don't worry about the opposition - if we do then there's no point in getting promoted. |  | | |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 09:49 - May 18 with 2109 views | BlueBadger |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 08:19 - May 18 by ArnieM |
All I’ll say is, if these teams haven’t got the ball, they can’t score! But we will need better defenders IMHO. |
Never mind that, where are the gaols going to come from? |  |
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| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 09:53 - May 18 with 2096 views | Epiphone |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 09:49 - May 18 by BlueBadger |
Never mind that, where are the gaols going to come from? |
Don’t stress it,we’ve got our “get out of gaol free” card-Chappers!
Seriously though I’m hoping for a top 10 finish and at least one place above Naaarwich! [Post edited 18 May 2023 9:55]
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| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 10:09 - May 18 with 2071 views | Pippin1970 |
I'm going for cautious approach. Let's play game by game and see where we end up.. Seem quite a few fans on here think we will get promotion. |  | | |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 10:14 - May 18 with 2067 views | tractordownsouth |
Agreed. I think lots of people are just looking at names such as Luton and Millwall and thinking they’re not very good, ignoring the fact that they’ve been continuously building for the past 3 or 4 years. It’s a weaker league than it was last time we were in it but the current top six are all a step ahead of where we are now, so it’ll take some very good recruitment to break into it. |  |
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| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 12:31 - May 18 with 1993 views | longtimefan |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 08:30 - May 18 by Battersea_Blue |
I live in Asia now, but stayed up to watch the Luton v Sunderland 2nd leg.
If Luton don't go up, they'll be a nightmare to play against. Ugly football at its highest, but effective. Two big lumps up front, chasing and closing down like you wouldn't believe, rough and tough all through the team with hoofball up to the big lumps, who won everything in the air that night.
That's not the brand of football we excel against and we'd struggle.
Hopefully they're the only team in the Championship who adopt that style. |
I thought much the same. The only reason Sunderland got back into the match in the 1st leg was because Mpanzu and Nakumba both got booked in the first half. After that they just couldn't act as rough and tough as they had been, and that let Sunderland's midfield into the game. In the 2nd leg the ref was far more lax on their persistent fouling and missed a late challenge by Morris that was yellow, bordering red (he actually gave a yellow to the Luton player that was probably warranted, but far less dangerous). | | | |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 12:32 - May 18 with 1991 views | Vaughan8 |
DO people seriously think we are going to be top 6? I'm hopefully but i'll take a top half finish with us still playing decent football. | | | |
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| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 12:56 - May 18 with 1966 views | jayessess |
I was looking back at the 2018-19 edition and the Championship looks way weaker relative to back then to me.
In 2018-19 there were 8 clubs receiving parachute payments (it'll be 5 next season).
In 2018-19 there were 12 clubs with average attendances over 20,000 (6 of the teams staying in the Championship averaged that this season, plus 3 relegated teams makes 9)
The median fan base size in the Championship has dropped from 19,908 (2018-19) to 18,473 (2022-23), whilst our average attendances have risen from 17,765 to 26,814. The average Championship club has got smaller and poorer since we were last here. I count at least half a dozen clubs in the top half operating on budgets similar to Evans-era Ipswich. |  |
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| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 12:56 - May 18 with 1965 views | Herbivore |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 12:32 - May 18 by Vaughan8 |
DO people seriously think we are going to be top 6? I'm hopefully but i'll take a top half finish with us still playing decent football. |
I think it's certainly possible. |  |
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| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 12:57 - May 18 with 1953 views | Churchman |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 12:32 - May 18 by Vaughan8 |
DO people seriously think we are going to be top 6? I'm hopefully but i'll take a top half finish with us still playing decent football. |
I do think we will make top six.
Given I’m very much a glass half empty kind of person why do I think this? The way we play, the kind of player the club is bringing in, the momentum we have, the cohesion of the football club and the mediocrity of the Championship. It’s nothing special. |  | | |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 13:04 - May 18 with 1930 views | LankHenners |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 12:32 - May 18 by Vaughan8 |
DO people seriously think we are going to be top 6? I'm hopefully but i'll take a top half finish with us still playing decent football. |
If nothing else you can look at Sunderland and say 'why not us?'.
Obviously you can't know exactly the sort of points you'll end up needing to finish X and how far off that makes you from Y until the season's well under way but the target will be to push towards the playoffs.
Think the top 10 will be very competitive but what that means is you just need a few margins to go your way and you're right in there. |  |
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| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 13:14 - May 18 with 1910 views | Asa |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 13:04 - May 18 by LankHenners |
If nothing else you can look at Sunderland and say 'why not us?'.
Obviously you can't know exactly the sort of points you'll end up needing to finish X and how far off that makes you from Y until the season's well under way but the target will be to push towards the playoffs.
Think the top 10 will be very competitive but what that means is you just need a few margins to go your way and you're right in there. |
It's entirely possible that only Sunderland end up being ahead of us in the attendance stakes this season and, therefore, bring more revenue than us on the commercial side of things - ignoring parachute payments and so on that other clubs will get.
Southampton will likely have under 30,000, same as Leicester and Leeds perhaps around that mark. Everton would probably be a bit higher.
The only clubs that seem to be above us every week in the EFL that will be in the Championship are Sunderland, seeing Sheffield United and Derby won't be joining us.
Gives us an awful lot of wiggle room at the top of the division to be a top 6 budget if we want to be, with Norwich and Watford scaling back due to their final year of parachute payments I think as they both went straight down after going up.
In terms of spending power you've got the three that come down, Sunderland and we are likely to be in that next bracket with Boro, Norwich, Watford as teams that can maybe spend more than the rest.
Given what we already have, probably a team that can finish 10-12th I would say as is, 6th is entirely possible with the sort of 4, 5, 6 players we will be looking to bring in for a few million each, aside from the fact that Sunderland have a £37m player on loan. Not beyond the realms of crazy we could end up loaning a couple of players that might be considered to be better than anything we currently have too - presumably nowhere near that value though! | | | |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 13:23 - May 18 with 1889 views | jayessess |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 13:14 - May 18 by Asa |
It's entirely possible that only Sunderland end up being ahead of us in the attendance stakes this season and, therefore, bring more revenue than us on the commercial side of things - ignoring parachute payments and so on that other clubs will get.
Southampton will likely have under 30,000, same as Leicester and Leeds perhaps around that mark. Everton would probably be a bit higher.
The only clubs that seem to be above us every week in the EFL that will be in the Championship are Sunderland, seeing Sheffield United and Derby won't be joining us.
Gives us an awful lot of wiggle room at the top of the division to be a top 6 budget if we want to be, with Norwich and Watford scaling back due to their final year of parachute payments I think as they both went straight down after going up.
In terms of spending power you've got the three that come down, Sunderland and we are likely to be in that next bracket with Boro, Norwich, Watford as teams that can maybe spend more than the rest.
Given what we already have, probably a team that can finish 10-12th I would say as is, 6th is entirely possible with the sort of 4, 5, 6 players we will be looking to bring in for a few million each, aside from the fact that Sunderland have a £37m player on loan. Not beyond the realms of crazy we could end up loaning a couple of players that might be considered to be better than anything we currently have too - presumably nowhere near that value though! |
We'll almost certainly be Top 8 for revenue next season, but the obvious caveat there is that we're new to the division.
The likes of Millwall, Swansea, Blackburn, Preston etc. might have less money coming in, but they've had years to recruit and bed in experienced Championship-level players who we just couldn't get in the division below. | |
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| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 13:47 - May 18 with 1855 views | yorkshireblue |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 13:14 - May 18 by Asa |
It's entirely possible that only Sunderland end up being ahead of us in the attendance stakes this season and, therefore, bring more revenue than us on the commercial side of things - ignoring parachute payments and so on that other clubs will get.
Southampton will likely have under 30,000, same as Leicester and Leeds perhaps around that mark. Everton would probably be a bit higher.
The only clubs that seem to be above us every week in the EFL that will be in the Championship are Sunderland, seeing Sheffield United and Derby won't be joining us.
Gives us an awful lot of wiggle room at the top of the division to be a top 6 budget if we want to be, with Norwich and Watford scaling back due to their final year of parachute payments I think as they both went straight down after going up.
In terms of spending power you've got the three that come down, Sunderland and we are likely to be in that next bracket with Boro, Norwich, Watford as teams that can maybe spend more than the rest.
Given what we already have, probably a team that can finish 10-12th I would say as is, 6th is entirely possible with the sort of 4, 5, 6 players we will be looking to bring in for a few million each, aside from the fact that Sunderland have a £37m player on loan. Not beyond the realms of crazy we could end up loaning a couple of players that might be considered to be better than anything we currently have too - presumably nowhere near that value though! |
Working in Leeds I am regualrly reminded they averaged 34,000 in the Championship - I actually think it was 33,500 or so but I let them have it.
Worth noting they have some decent young players out on loan who have been performing well. The general conssenus aorunf my office anyway is that if they get relegated - they will either bounce straight back up, or struggle massively. Noone is expecting an 'OK' season if they go down.
That being said - and I know I am very much in the minority - I think both them and Everton stay down at Forest's expense. |  | | |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 13:58 - May 18 with 1824 views | jayessess |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 13:47 - May 18 by yorkshireblue |
Working in Leeds I am regualrly reminded they averaged 34,000 in the Championship - I actually think it was 33,500 or so but I let them have it.
Worth noting they have some decent young players out on loan who have been performing well. The general conssenus aorunf my office anyway is that if they get relegated - they will either bounce straight back up, or struggle massively. Noone is expecting an 'OK' season if they go down.
That being said - and I know I am very much in the minority - I think both them and Everton stay down at Forest's expense. |
Any of the 5 possible relegated teams goes into next season's Championship as 1st, 2nd and 3rd favourites to win the league IMO. Think there's a lot of wishful thinking about hypothetical financial issues.
Bottom line - you get relegated, you go into the new season with double/triple everybody else's revenues. You can sell your best players for £30m+ fees, you have middling players who are elite for the level, you have players out on loan excelling in the EFL, you have big category one academies, global scouting networks.
Everything is there for these clubs to succeed. They might screw it up, but the resources are going to be there. [Post edited 18 May 2023 16:08]
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| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 14:39 - May 18 with 1765 views | FrimleyBlue |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 08:08 - May 18 by ibbleobble |
Burnley over two games was testament to that. I’d back us for a top 8 finish and likely higher. |
How close to the first team weekly lineup was the Burnley games out of interest. ( Burnley not town) |  |
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| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 14:41 - May 18 with 1755 views | Herbivore |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 14:39 - May 18 by FrimleyBlue |
How close to the first team weekly lineup was the Burnley games out of interest. ( Burnley not town) |
They were all first team squad players with at least 3 or 4 being regular starters. Not too dissimilar to us in that regard, in fact I think we may have made even more changes than them. | |
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| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 14:44 - May 18 with 1751 views | ArnieM |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 09:49 - May 18 by BlueBadger |
Never mind that, where are the gaols going to come from? |
Yes I totally agree with you on that tbh. Ladapo not good enough, ( sorry I don’t think he has further capacity to improve when facing much better defenders) Hirst not shown at Championship level ( but I do wonder how he’d develop under our coaches. We do need a price marker at this level for sure. |  |
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| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 15:01 - May 18 with 1719 views | jayessess |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 14:39 - May 18 by FrimleyBlue |
How close to the first team weekly lineup was the Burnley games out of interest. ( Burnley not town) |
Half and half really.
At Portman Road: Rodriguez, Tella, Cork, Vitinho, Beyer started.
At Turf Moor: Maatsen, Roberts, Cork, Tella, Vitinho started.
The other half were generally squad players who got significant minutes. | |
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| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 15:18 - May 18 with 1700 views | Herbivore |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 14:44 - May 18 by ArnieM |
Yes I totally agree with you on that tbh. Ladapo not good enough, ( sorry I don’t think he has further capacity to improve when facing much better defenders) Hirst not shown at Championship level ( but I do wonder how he’d develop under our coaches. We do need a price marker at this level for sure. |
Astounding really that we managed to get promoted with the highest goals scored and meanest defence given how apparently poor we are at defending and that we don't have any goals in the team. | |
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| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 16:00 - May 18 with 1655 views | bournemouthblue |
It could be a tougher league than it was last season but the Championship is so unpredictable, who really knows
I get the impression CoVid has hit it pretty hard, that's probably why clubs like Luton and Coventry have held up better and out competed many of these sides
I don't know how much Sunderland recruited in the summer but they didn't exactly blow League One away the season before? |  |
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| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 20:23 - May 18 with 1565 views | peterleeblue |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 08:54 - May 18 by itfctilidie |
Can't see Sunderland being a threat. They were poor last night and havent looked spectacular any time I have seen them play this season. They only got in the playoffs because other teams were poor - west brom, blackburn, millwall, scum - they all seemed to be desperately trying to not get into the playoffs by the end. |
Sunderland were arguably the best footballing side in the division.
Injuries to their 2 centre halves and losing Ross Stewart from January.
Sunderland played with essentially Wes Burns and Leif Davis at centre half, No Morsy Chaplin and Hirst. Replacing them with 3 Nathan Broadhead ability level players in Patrick Roberts, Jack Clarke and Amad and relied on the goals to come from them.
If Mowbray stays, injuries clear and a few key additions including replacing Ahmad are made then Sunderland will once again be serious top 6 challengers. |  | | |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 20:29 - May 18 with 1561 views | BlueBadger |
| M'boro, Sunderland, Soton, Leeds, Leicester on 14:44 - May 18 by ArnieM |
Yes I totally agree with you on that tbh. Ladapo not good enough, ( sorry I don’t think he has further capacity to improve when facing much better defenders) Hirst not shown at Championship level ( but I do wonder how he’d develop under our coaches. We do need a price marker at this level for sure. |
Christ alive, even Frimmers has given up on being Frimmers now. You can probably drop the tribute act stuff now. | |
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