| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 15:27 - Jun 3 with 3794 views | ronnyd |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 09:30 - Jun 3 by BanksterDebtSlave |
"You fat bastard "
......was the chant that has most annoyed Junior when it was being repeatedly sung at Wycombe away and she let people know it too.
The chants at women officials are embarrassing too. |
Remember the abuse the girls who went around the pitch selling programmes got from the away fans. |  | |  |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 16:26 - Jun 3 with 3721 views | MattinLondon |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 15:27 - Jun 3 by ronnyd |
Remember the abuse the girls who went around the pitch selling programmes got from the away fans. |
Not that long ago there was a post on here regarding the fact that a team got fined due to their fans singing ‘get your tits out’ to the oppositions female physio. Quite a few on here defended that sexual abuse with the usual ‘whatever next’ defence. |  | | |
| True dat on 17:25 - Jun 3 with 3652 views | tractor_lady |
| True dat on 10:54 - Jun 3 by Dyland |
Back to the article, I'm a male middle aged pot bellied honky, and I don't bother with away games any more. Too many incapably drunk people who are totally mindless. I don't mind being barged around and even covered in beer if it's jovial, nor have I anything against raucous noise and naughty words, if it's vaguely witty and/or in the heat of a crackling game and atmosphere. I've just noticed more and more brainless fookwits over last few years and it doesn't float my boat any more. I'm pretty sure it's not just me getting older, though I accept that may be part of it, innit.
EDIT: This is key... "No one suggested a blanket ban on offensive language at football, but when the primary aim of attending is to scream abuse, surely that crosses the line?" [Post edited 3 Jun 2023 11:00]
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I agree with you - my worst experience this year was Oxford away. Four youngish lads behind us used the C you next Tuesday word continuously all game to abuse everyone - racist, fatist, policeist. They even called Burns a cnit because he came off the pitch this side (took them a while to register he had been subbed) Icing on cake was when they ripped out the seat in front (next to my son) and proudly announced it was the same one they ripped out last year! It left a sharp plastic mess which was really quite dangerous..
I don’t mind swearing and banter it’s all part of it, but this was mindless
Needless to say I did inform the club of the seats they were in… | | | |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 19:27 - Jun 3 with 3564 views | Deano69 |
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| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 19:39 - Jun 3 with 3533 views | PioneerBlue |
My feedback on Peterborough was similar to as discussed earlier, the atmos was very male orientated but the kids loved it and have named it the domino game where limbs were flying everywhere. Otherwise football is still a bit cringy both for kids and women but itfc is better and more inclusive than ever. As is recognised by our family awards. [Post edited 4 Jun 2023 16:40]
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| True dat on 19:43 - Jun 3 with 3515 views | Dyland |
| True dat on 17:25 - Jun 3 by tractor_lady |
I agree with you - my worst experience this year was Oxford away. Four youngish lads behind us used the C you next Tuesday word continuously all game to abuse everyone - racist, fatist, policeist. They even called Burns a cnit because he came off the pitch this side (took them a while to register he had been subbed) Icing on cake was when they ripped out the seat in front (next to my son) and proudly announced it was the same one they ripped out last year! It left a sharp plastic mess which was really quite dangerous..
I don’t mind swearing and banter it’s all part of it, but this was mindless
Needless to say I did inform the club of the seats they were in… |
"They even called Burns a cnit because he came off the pitch this side (took them a while to register he had been subbed"
Ha! They probably didn't even know he was a Town player (tbf it was rather foggy) :)
I hear ya, this is exactly the sort of bellery that's become unavoidable at away games. |  |
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| I think we're going backwards generally not just at footy on 20:22 - Jun 3 with 3457 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| I think we're going backwards generally not just at footy on 09:07 - Jun 3 by Dyland |
People have always behaved like canutes but even then, back on the day, there was some acknowledgement and even courtesy, like people smiling and waving apology when they've blocked the road for a bit, etc. These days there seems to be so little courtesy or manners out and about, and people behave so selfishly it's like amorality is the new norm.
Fook everyone basically :)
Er, COYFB |
‘At their best, football chants can be witty, heart-filling cries. But at their worst, they are hate crimes.’ Sums it up really. |  |
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| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 21:59 - Jun 3 with 3392 views | TheBoyBlue |
I like the atmosphere in women's football, it is pleasant.
However, a big part of what attracts me to the atmosphere at men's games is the edge, the 90 minutes of trying to get one up on them and the pseudo -hatred. That doesn't have to be misogynistic, homophobic, sexist, racist or any of that. We need to do more to get that out of the game and whilst it is so much better than it was, we still have a way to go. | |
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| I think we're going backwards generally not just at footy on 22:20 - Jun 3 with 3368 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I think we're going backwards generally not just at footy on 09:28 - Jun 3 by Mullet |
I don't remember Profumo like you boys, but Radio 4 had someone on making the point that he disappeared into disgrace and was so ashamed he spent the rest of his life doing good, avoiding the limelight.
Compare that to Trump/Johnson and there is a precedent that this sort of behaviour is ok because it happens at the very top. So it filters down. Stratified diffusion for assholes basically.
Not sure I buy it entirely, but it does feel like poor behaviour breeds success right now. |
I never thought I’d read the words ‘stratified diffusion for arseholes’ on here. Except in the medical section, of course. |  |
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| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 11:01 - Jun 4 with 3200 views | Ryorry |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 12:43 - Jun 3 by J2BLUE |
One female supporter spoke of experiencing sexual assaults regularly when following her team and going to other games with friends. “I’ve normalised it,” she said. “You’d think I’d turn around and call them out, but I didn’t. Last time, it was only [when] walking back to the car I said to my husband: ‘Oh yeah, that’s happened again.’ I should have been more horrified, but it happens all the time, particularly at away games where people have been drinking all day. They think that’s acceptable. I don’t accept that.”
Sexual assaults? What the hell? |
I went on average to I guess about 8-10 away games every season between 1995-2015 - after that, only 2016 & 2017 Elland Rd games; not once, thankfully, did I ever experience a sexual assault - but my age during that time was mid-40s to mid 60s. Never felt scared either, apart from when those 500 Leeds fans charged down the pitch at us.
I've always accepted the bantz & 'industrial language' as simply part & parcel of football, enjoy it in fact, chance to let your hair down - my only objection was that I got "looks" from some people for being loud on the few occasions I joined in - guess some thought that women shouldn't be doing that 
As others have said though, the line from bantz to homophobic, sexist, racist, ableist should simply never be crossed. |  |
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| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 11:45 - Jun 4 with 3155 views | solemio |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 08:44 - Jun 3 by StokieBlue |
Nice to see you concisely confirm the point of the article.
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Wrongly down-arrowed. | | | |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 12:52 - Jun 4 with 3101 views | marcus1642 |
I used to have a girlfriend who used to go to away matches with me in in the late 80s to mid 90s. She was a Town fan through and through but she did admit the edgeyness added an enjoyable spice to things.
Typical Guardian lefty bum fest woke nonsense. Loads of of ladies used go to football back in the day and still do today. If ladies don't like it they wouldn't go. |  | | |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 12:54 - Jun 4 with 3096 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 14:39 - Jun 3 by NeedhamChris |
All the upvoters to this get a free membership to 'Neanderthals are us" |
It’s nice of the dense misogynistic throwbacks to identify themselves as certainly helps understand some of their other posts a little better | | | |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 13:00 - Jun 4 with 3064 views | marcus1642 |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 14:39 - Jun 3 by NeedhamChris |
All the upvoters to this get a free membership to 'Neanderthals are us" |
There is a misconception that Neanderthals were brainless. Not true. They are are very interesting group of Humans. Do some research | | | |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 15:04 - Jun 4 with 2989 views | NeedhamChris |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 13:00 - Jun 4 by marcus1642 |
There is a misconception that Neanderthals were brainless. Not true. They are are very interesting group of Humans. Do some research |
What an odd take - when did I say they were brainless? It's the primitiveness of the views I was referring to. | |
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| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 15:56 - Jun 4 with 2890 views | blueprint |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 08:32 - Jun 3 by textbackup |
My daughter (11) said Peterborough away last season was her favourite ever game, reasons she gave, because it was really loud, we thrashed them, and everyone was drunk and crazy. |
My 12 year old daughters comments also. |  | | |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 15:58 - Jun 4 with 2884 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 12:52 - Jun 4 by marcus1642 |
I used to have a girlfriend who used to go to away matches with me in in the late 80s to mid 90s. She was a Town fan through and through but she did admit the edgeyness added an enjoyable spice to things.
Typical Guardian lefty bum fest woke nonsense. Loads of of ladies used go to football back in the day and still do today. If ladies don't like it they wouldn't go. |
Really?
"If ladies don't like it they wouldn't go."
Utterly disgraceful comment.
Perhaps black people only go because they are happy with the occasional racism they experience?
Perhaps gay people attending means they have no problem with homophobic chants.
After all, they could sit at home and knit instead. | |
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| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 16:17 - Jun 4 with 2857 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 12:52 - Jun 4 by marcus1642 |
I used to have a girlfriend who used to go to away matches with me in in the late 80s to mid 90s. She was a Town fan through and through but she did admit the edgeyness added an enjoyable spice to things.
Typical Guardian lefty bum fest woke nonsense. Loads of of ladies used go to football back in the day and still do today. If ladies don't like it they wouldn't go. |
The three Posh female fans who gave us the w@nker signs while we were celebrating wildly after Freddie got the third goal made I laugh. They were clearly not enjoying themselves much as me and my lad got called f’ing Canutes as they left the ground about two minutes later. Thought at the time good on them. Showed a bit of passion. |  |
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It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 17:03 - Jun 4 with 2788 views | troyparrotsleftear |
we all know there is a line to cross the problem is that the line keeps shifting. Culture changes and not everyone approves on embraces it. Insults that in the past would have been accepted as part of football have slowly one by one become unacceptable as we have all got softer and more fragile getting upset if someone says something mean to us. In the past you just had to get on with it and learn to deal with it. When i was younger there were lots of insults thrown at players about being gay/fat/looking like an alien and it nothing was said about it. Nowadays I'm pretty sure you'd be thrown out if a steward heard you making homophobic remarks. I suppose society changes but i do feel like everyone is becoming more fragile getting upset over XYZ. Can you call someone a 'fat b@stard' anymore? i remember several players were on the receiving end of that over the years. Who decides what insults are acceptable and what isnt? | | | |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 17:09 - Jun 4 with 2778 views | troyparrotsleftear |
another thought. The atmosphere at matches has everything to do with the people who are there. They decide what the atmosphere will be like by their actions. maybe we should accept that, as paying punters, they have that right, rather than trying to tell them how it should be? Just a thought. | | | |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 17:11 - Jun 4 with 2764 views | troyparrotsleftear |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 11:01 - Jun 4 by Ryorry |
I went on average to I guess about 8-10 away games every season between 1995-2015 - after that, only 2016 & 2017 Elland Rd games; not once, thankfully, did I ever experience a sexual assault - but my age during that time was mid-40s to mid 60s. Never felt scared either, apart from when those 500 Leeds fans charged down the pitch at us.
I've always accepted the bantz & 'industrial language' as simply part & parcel of football, enjoy it in fact, chance to let your hair down - my only objection was that I got "looks" from some people for being loud on the few occasions I joined in - guess some thought that women shouldn't be doing that
As others have said though, the line from bantz to homophobic, sexist, racist, ableist should simply never be crossed. |
Fair enough, but which insults would in your view be acceptable? | | | |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 17:30 - Jun 4 with 2749 views | Mullet |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 12:52 - Jun 4 by marcus1642 |
I used to have a girlfriend who used to go to away matches with me in in the late 80s to mid 90s. She was a Town fan through and through but she did admit the edgeyness added an enjoyable spice to things.
Typical Guardian lefty bum fest woke nonsense. Loads of of ladies used go to football back in the day and still do today. If ladies don't like it they wouldn't go. |
https://premierskillsenglish.britishcouncil.org/skills/read/stories/mans-game
This is interesting reading and suggests pre-lockdown female attendance was rising. What the long term implications are will be worth seeing in a few years time.
Dismissing sexual assault as you have is a scumbag attitude though. Even it just so happens they've found the one woman in the country who regularly experiences it, it's one too many.
Weird thing to condone and excuse over expressing surprise and disgust. |  |
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| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 17:45 - Jun 4 with 2708 views | Kropotkin123 |
"One female supporter spoke of experiencing sexual assaults regularly when following her team and going to other games with friends."
I find this comment hard to reconcile with my experience. I used to go to games with my sister, she never experienced sexual assault at games. I have also taken my wife to a few away games, and again, never had an issue at Town away games.
I'm not suggesting the person is exaggerating their experience. I weary of simply extrapolating one person's experience to the majority of women or Ipswich's away support.
A few things that could put me out of touch: I haven't been in 2 years, as I moved countries. When I could go, I never used club transport, as we lived outside of Ipswich.
Regarding songs that game up in another post: I do take issue with the die, whore, and JF chants. I never joined in and think they shouldn't be sung. I don't caring about "i want to go home" and chants like that, so it isn't about an aversion to "banter". [Post edited 4 Jun 2023 17:48]
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| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 19:21 - Jun 4 with 2594 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 17:45 - Jun 4 by Kropotkin123 |
"One female supporter spoke of experiencing sexual assaults regularly when following her team and going to other games with friends."
I find this comment hard to reconcile with my experience. I used to go to games with my sister, she never experienced sexual assault at games. I have also taken my wife to a few away games, and again, never had an issue at Town away games.
I'm not suggesting the person is exaggerating their experience. I weary of simply extrapolating one person's experience to the majority of women or Ipswich's away support.
A few things that could put me out of touch: I haven't been in 2 years, as I moved countries. When I could go, I never used club transport, as we lived outside of Ipswich.
Regarding songs that game up in another post: I do take issue with the die, whore, and JF chants. I never joined in and think they shouldn't be sung. I don't caring about "i want to go home" and chants like that, so it isn't about an aversion to "banter". [Post edited 4 Jun 2023 17:48]
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My daughter was a season ticket holder for many seasons and on occasion we took Mother. I / we regularly bumped into female friends in the bar at half time amongst other places.
On a personal side, I, nor my females in the family, nor as far as I am aware female friends, have ever encountered any problems. |  |
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| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 13:32 - Jun 5 with 2373 views | longtimefan |
| Female experience at away matches. Horrible. on 17:45 - Jun 4 by Kropotkin123 |
"One female supporter spoke of experiencing sexual assaults regularly when following her team and going to other games with friends."
I find this comment hard to reconcile with my experience. I used to go to games with my sister, she never experienced sexual assault at games. I have also taken my wife to a few away games, and again, never had an issue at Town away games.
I'm not suggesting the person is exaggerating their experience. I weary of simply extrapolating one person's experience to the majority of women or Ipswich's away support.
A few things that could put me out of touch: I haven't been in 2 years, as I moved countries. When I could go, I never used club transport, as we lived outside of Ipswich.
Regarding songs that game up in another post: I do take issue with the die, whore, and JF chants. I never joined in and think they shouldn't be sung. I don't caring about "i want to go home" and chants like that, so it isn't about an aversion to "banter". [Post edited 4 Jun 2023 17:48]
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"When I could go, I never used club transport, as we lived outside of Ipswich."
There certainly isn't an issue with ITFC club transport as the vast majority of stewards on the club coaches are women and, believe me, they won't stand for any rubbish. They do an excellent job. [Post edited 5 Jun 2023 13:33]
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