| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site 09:59 - Jun 20 with 25437 views | davblue |
If they are still alive, i dread to think how they are feeling.
Doesn't sound like there's much hope for them judging by the bits that are being released. |  | | |  |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 12:37 - Jun 25 with 1934 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 12:17 - Jun 25 by NewcyBlue |
I think you misunderstand my point.
It’s not about money, it’s about intent.
My satisfaction at rescuing migrants, having actually done so before, is immense. I ensured those whose intentions were to get their family to brighter pastures where they could make a life for themselves and provide a better future for their family.
Rescuing people who put themselves in a situation out of choice, rather than necessity, for nothing more than to say they have, would be a job. Get the job done. The satisfaction would be saving people, there would be no more than that.
I can tell you that having been delayed getting home to see the twins when they were born prematurely, as we were called upon to make sure boats full of migrants got to safety, I would do it all over again in a heartbeat. |
Exploration is a noble pursuit for me.
But I'll leave it there. |  |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 12:41 - Jun 25 with 1930 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 10:49 - Jun 23 by Ryorry |
As far as the 'search & rescue' aspect is concerned, the director of film 'Titanic' is himself an underwater explorer who's been involved in the construction of submersibles & has extensive contacts within the sector.
In an interview on R4 this morning https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001n20k (from 2hrs19' approx) he said that it was clear to him as soon as he got reports on Monday morning that the submersible had lost both comms & navigation at 3500m on its initial descent, that there'd been a catastrophic event, probably an implosion, immediately at that point, and that the sub would therefore be found on the seabed directly underneath - as it was eventually, by the US Coastguard.
He thought the 'limited oxygen' narrative had been very cruelly & unnecessarily played out, esp so for the relatives of course. He said he bit his lip hard not to say anything, as he felt the last thing they needed was conflicting narratives from unsolicited quarters. |
I suspect he’s right. The limited oxygen angle is what made it so newsworthy - dangling the carrot that there might be an amazing rescue in the vein of Hollywood. If anything, it’s that angle (plus rarity) that gave it so much more attention than the refugee deaths people have been comparing it to. They’re chalk and cheese in terms of newsworthiness, although obviously no less tragic. Cynical by the media, but they’re only interested in the clicks I suppose. |  |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 12:54 - Jun 25 with 1902 views | NewcyBlue |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 12:37 - Jun 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Exploration is a noble pursuit for me.
But I'll leave it there. |
We are hardly talking about Shackleton..
This is akin to going on one of those Virgin Galactic flights. It’s just tourism. |  |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 13:04 - Jun 25 with 1881 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 12:54 - Jun 25 by NewcyBlue |
We are hardly talking about Shackleton..
This is akin to going on one of those Virgin Galactic flights. It’s just tourism. |
So if a Virgin Galactic flight blew up, you'd care less about the passengers?
Or anything that involves tourists dying?
It doesn't really compute for me that "It’s just tourism". To me it's empathy/sympathy for people dying, particularly, as I said, a 19 year old with his life ahead of him. | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 13:25 - Jun 25 with 1839 views | the_toff |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 12:19 - Jun 25 by Ryorry |
Downvoted because you continue to persistently misrepresent what I said, despite my several times explaining to you (and everyone else on the thread apparently understanding the comment). |
Im not suggesting you said you would roll your eyes. Im saying you wouldn’t blame anyone for doing so. They’re not my words. |  | | |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 13:28 - Jun 25 with 1830 views | Ryorry |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 13:25 - Jun 25 by the_toff |
Im not suggesting you said you would roll your eyes. Im saying you wouldn’t blame anyone for doing so. They’re not my words. |
You left out the context.
I'm not interested in pursuing this any further. |  |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 15:13 - Jun 25 with 1752 views | NewcyBlue |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 13:04 - Jun 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
So if a Virgin Galactic flight blew up, you'd care less about the passengers?
Or anything that involves tourists dying?
It doesn't really compute for me that "It’s just tourism". To me it's empathy/sympathy for people dying, particularly, as I said, a 19 year old with his life ahead of him. |
“Exploration is a noble pursuit for me”
I was merely pointing out it wasn’t exploration. | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 15:23 - Jun 25 with 1729 views | Zapers |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 15:13 - Jun 25 by NewcyBlue |
“Exploration is a noble pursuit for me”
I was merely pointing out it wasn’t exploration. |
Exploration " The act of travelling to a place or searching a place in order to learn about it"
I'm sorry but you are wrong. | | | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 15:26 - Jun 25 with 1724 views | NewcyBlue |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 15:23 - Jun 25 by Zapers |
Exploration " The act of travelling to a place or searching a place in order to learn about it"
I'm sorry but you are wrong. |
Tourism - “ the commercial organization and operation of holidays and visits to places of interest”
What a ridiculous argument this is becoming. Enjoy your Sunday. | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 15:38 - Jun 25 with 1687 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 12:41 - Jun 25 by Swansea_Blue |
I suspect he’s right. The limited oxygen angle is what made it so newsworthy - dangling the carrot that there might be an amazing rescue in the vein of Hollywood. If anything, it’s that angle (plus rarity) that gave it so much more attention than the refugee deaths people have been comparing it to. They’re chalk and cheese in terms of newsworthiness, although obviously no less tragic. Cynical by the media, but they’re only interested in the clicks I suppose. |
When the whole world over reports a story of relative insignificance at the same time, there's nearly always a reason:
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 15:52 - Jun 25 with 1677 views | Herbivore |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 15:38 - Jun 25 by Cafe_Newman |
When the whole world over reports a story of relative insignificance at the same time, there's nearly always a reason:
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She looks like a credible, unbiased source. |  |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 16:03 - Jun 25 with 1651 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 15:52 - Jun 25 by Herbivore |
She looks like a credible, unbiased source. |
Well, she works for the New York Post. The Wall Street Journal also reported the same.
You're right though, it's hard to have any faith in any news outlet these days.
EDIT: While we're at it, which US news outlets do you consider to be unbiased and reliable? [Post edited 25 Jun 2023 16:07]
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 16:05 - Jun 25 with 1649 views | Herbivore |
That story only relates to part of her tweet, not the bit where there's some international conspiracy to keep Hunter Biden out of the news (spoiler alert, he still made the news). | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 16:06 - Jun 25 with 1648 views | Herbivore |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 16:03 - Jun 25 by Cafe_Newman |
Well, she works for the New York Post. The Wall Street Journal also reported the same.
You're right though, it's hard to have any faith in any news outlet these days.
EDIT: While we're at it, which US news outlets do you consider to be unbiased and reliable? [Post edited 25 Jun 2023 16:07]
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She also works for the Telegraph and Fox News. Her twitter timeline hardly suggests she's a neutral journalist just looking for the truth. | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 16:08 - Jun 25 with 1632 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 16:06 - Jun 25 by Herbivore |
She also works for the Telegraph and Fox News. Her twitter timeline hardly suggests she's a neutral journalist just looking for the truth. |
Which US news outlets do you consider to be unbiased and credible? [Post edited 25 Jun 2023 16:10]
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 16:10 - Jun 25 with 1625 views | Herbivore |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 16:08 - Jun 25 by Cafe_Newman |
Which US news outlets do you consider to be unbiased and credible? [Post edited 25 Jun 2023 16:10]
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None of them are unbiased, in terms of reliability some are better than others. Fox News is a cesspit of misinformation though. | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 16:11 - Jun 25 with 1624 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 16:10 - Jun 25 by Herbivore |
None of them are unbiased, in terms of reliability some are better than others. Fox News is a cesspit of misinformation though. |
I agree that none of them are unbiased, so which are the ones you consider more reliable? | | | |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 16:13 - Jun 25 with 1620 views | Herbivore |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 16:11 - Jun 25 by Cafe_Newman |
I agree that none of them are unbiased, so which are the ones you consider more reliable? |
I would consider all of them to be more reliable than Fox News. | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 16:17 - Jun 25 with 1615 views | Zapers |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 16:08 - Jun 25 by Cafe_Newman |
Which US news outlets do you consider to be unbiased and credible? [Post edited 25 Jun 2023 16:10]
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 16:48 - Jun 25 with 1565 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 16:13 - Jun 25 by Herbivore |
I would consider all of them to be more reliable than Fox News. |
I'm not sure you really understand the individuals and groups behind the media.
If you did, why would you say that the NYP is more reliable than Fox News when they employ the same journalist and both owned by Rupert Murdoch?
https://swprs.org/the-american-empire-and-its-media/
EDIT and do you have the same disdain for the WSJ who ran the same story. [Post edited 25 Jun 2023 16:53]
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 17:16 - Jun 25 with 1532 views | Herbivore |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 16:48 - Jun 25 by Cafe_Newman |
I'm not sure you really understand the individuals and groups behind the media.
If you did, why would you say that the NYP is more reliable than Fox News when they employ the same journalist and both owned by Rupert Murdoch?
https://swprs.org/the-american-empire-and-its-media/
EDIT and do you have the same disdain for the WSJ who ran the same story. [Post edited 25 Jun 2023 16:53]
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The WSJ ran a story about the US Navy detecting sounds when the sub went missing, as far as I can see the story didn't seem to be about that being withheld as some grand media conspiracy to protect Hunter Biden.
Ownership in itself doesn't fully dictate the type of coverage in the media. Murdoch simultaneously owns the Sun and the Times; they cover the news quite differently, and much as the Times is certainly not unbiased and has become more ropey since its new editor came in, it is a more reliable source generally than the Sun. | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 21:11 - Jun 25 with 1422 views | noggin |
Whatever, the international rescue effort and the subsequent rolling news about the Titan incident, just shows where the world has it's priorities. All very sad. [Post edited 26 Jun 2023 7:06]
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 20:07 - Jun 28 with 1183 views | Ryorry |
The morality of news coverage relating specifically to "too much coverage of the millionaires? and not enough of the migrants?" being discussed right now on 'The Moral Maze', which started at 20.02 on BBC R4. | |
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