| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site 09:59 - Jun 20 with 25422 views | davblue |
If they are still alive, i dread to think how they are feeling.
Doesn't sound like there's much hope for them judging by the bits that are being released. |  | | |  |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 10:33 - Jun 22 with 2517 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 10:07 - Jun 22 by Ryorry |
Yes, particularly important points re "those other tragedies (involving migrants) were devoid of agency and trackable hope", as this is a situation where there's still an ongoing hope of rescue (however slim) so there's inevitably the element of 'drama' - 'will they/won't they be found in time'; and rather than a huge number of anonymous people having been (event sadly in the past with awful outcome now known) at risk, there's only a handful of people in the submersible who are identifiable as individuals, therefore perhaps more 'relateable'.
You can see the latter point tragically exposed when the awful image of the one child washed up on the beach engendered huge public sympathy; whereas boatloads of migrants (including kids) who'd also lost their lives, not so much.
Had the still photo of that shockingly overcrowded boat, taken before it capsized off the coast of Greece, been a live video that we were seeing in ongoing peril with some hope of rescue still, then I think we'd have seen a response more akin to that of the submersible & its occupants. Absolutely certainly so if the media had somehow got hold of the individual back stories of a handful of those migrants, so we knew them as individuals - their names, where they'd come from, why they were fleeing, what their profession or trade was, what they were studying etc. Instead, they're just painted as an anonymous bunch of people (and "illegals" according to right-wingers). |
You're spot on with the back story. It's why some movies are successful (and some less so) - developing a character builds empathy. And it's the same for people IRL. Even on this forum, we tend to have more empathy for the people we know. |  |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 10:44 - Jun 22 with 2457 views | itfcjoe |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 10:18 - Jun 22 by StokieBlue |
Is riding in a submersible that you didn't build, don't own and don't drive actually adventuring though? Doesn't seem like pushing ones self, more just something to do because you can.
Seems quite different to having to physically drag yourself up Everest.
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I'd say it's adventuring, as would going into space as an example on a commercial flight - there is an element of doing it because they can, but there's hundreds of thousands who could have afforded to do this but only these people doing it |  |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 11:09 - Jun 22 with 2380 views | WeWereZombies |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 10:19 - Jun 22 by Ryorry |
Imagination can be a very destructive as well as a very positive thing.
Personally, I have to swerve Holocaust remembrances & discussion for the most part, because if I dwelt on it I think I might spend the rest of my life in a psychiatric hospital (the aunt who I'm named after but never knew, lost her life in a concentration camp because she chose not to flee from Hitler to England with my Dad, Mum and one set of grandparents (thank you Winston Churchill & Govt.)). |
Finished reading 'The Tattooist of Auschwitz' by Heather Morris earlier in the week, it is the set book for a library group I am in. The organiser had described it as 'not as grim as it sounds' but having a half Jewish great aunt I found it harrowing. I know the likelihood of the Nazis invading Great Britain was possible but not probable but it still resonates that my Mum living in Kent and working in London during the war and my uncle serving in the Royal Navy throughout could have not only suffered an occupation but also seen a half-sister interred and no doubt murdered. |  |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 11:20 - Jun 22 with 2357 views | WeWereZombies |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 10:01 - Jun 22 by itfcjoe |
I think it's a story that garners more interest because it is a battle to see if they can be saved - similar to the Chilean miners, or the Thai children that were stuck in the cave.....it's that hope there is a happy ending to the story like a movie.
People talking about race/wealth etc seem to be missing that point |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_in_the_Hole_(1951_film)
'Time Out London wrote, "As a diatribe against all that is worst in human nature, it has moments dipped in pure vitriol."'
'Ed Gonzalez of Slant wrote that the film "... allowed Wilder to question the very nature of human interest stories and the twisted relationship between the American media and its public'
'Eddie Muller, founder and president of the Film Noir Foundation...feels...it is more of a film about sleazy journalism.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Bart
For me the question is whether now is a good time to confront what is worst in the way a current event is reported upon or a bad and indiscreet time to raise this uncomfortable issue. | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 16:31 - Jun 22 with 2227 views | hatch |
Bit of a morbid thought but one way to extend the oxygen supply on board and give a greater chancer of survival to one or two of them would be some sacrificial acts to reduce the demand on oxygen.
Not meant insensitively but now time is up on the oxygen it got me thinking how they could possibly have extended its use beyond remaining calm and reducing their breathing rate |  | | |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 17:13 - Jun 22 with 2175 views | blueasfook |
Latest news is debris has been found on the sea bed near to the Titanic site. Not looking good :( |  |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 17:35 - Jun 22 with 2111 views | NewcyBlue |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 16:17 - Jun 21 by Radlett_blue |
I've always found the fascination with the wreck of the Titanic somewhat ghoulish, driven by commercial factors. However, as I've visited the Titanic exhibition in Belfast, I suppose I'm part of the problem. |
Speaking of which…
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/30/malaysia-investigates-chinese-barg
It appears that Chinese barges/salvage vessels are digging up WW2 wrecks (protected by international law) to sell the scrap.
It seems that the sanctity of maritime graves is as important to China as human rights.
Lessons were learnt from the Titanic, it gave us SOLAS. Seafaring changed forever.
Human curiosity is a selfish thing sometimes. Whilst I have sympathy for those on this sub, ultimately it’s a maritime grave they went to gawk at and they did so in some of the most dangerous and volatile conditions. The ocean is a dangerous place for professionals! |  |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 17:54 - Jun 22 with 2059 views | the_toff |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 17:13 - Jun 22 by blueasfook |
Latest news is debris has been found on the sea bed near to the Titanic site. Not looking good :( |
I would be more surprised if there wasn't any debris on the sea bed near to the Titanic.
Although if they've released this to the media perhaps there's sufficient early reasons to believe it's recent debris and likely that of the sub. Whether the sub smashed apart or they're in it with dwindling Oxygen it feels almost impossible that they'll be reunited with their families now. Very sad, I almost hope they did crash as at least they would've known absolutely nothing about it at those pressures. |  | | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 18:33 - Jun 22 with 2023 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 17:54 - Jun 22 by the_toff |
I would be more surprised if there wasn't any debris on the sea bed near to the Titanic.
Although if they've released this to the media perhaps there's sufficient early reasons to believe it's recent debris and likely that of the sub. Whether the sub smashed apart or they're in it with dwindling Oxygen it feels almost impossible that they'll be reunited with their families now. Very sad, I almost hope they did crash as at least they would've known absolutely nothing about it at those pressures. |
Probably its the fact its 'clean' and clearly hasn't been down there 111 years.
As you say, I hope it was instantaneous. |  |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 18:43 - Jun 22 with 1994 views | catch74 |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 18:33 - Jun 22 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Probably its the fact its 'clean' and clearly hasn't been down there 111 years.
As you say, I hope it was instantaneous. |
‘Landing frame and rear cover from submersible’ |  |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 18:54 - Jun 22 with 1968 views | BloomBlue |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 18:43 - Jun 22 by catch74 |
‘Landing frame and rear cover from submersible’ |
Dangerous waters, hopefully it wasn't caused by hitting an iceberg. |  | | |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 18:57 - Jun 22 with 1958 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 18:54 - Jun 22 by BloomBlue |
Dangerous waters, hopefully it wasn't caused by hitting an iceberg. |
5 people likely dead. Pretty poor taste. | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 19:23 - Jun 22 with 1875 views | stonojnr |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 18:33 - Jun 22 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Probably its the fact its 'clean' and clearly hasn't been down there 111 years.
As you say, I hope it was instantaneous. |
At the depths they were at the pressure change if the hull breached, according to an ex submariner, they wouldn't even have known there was a leak happening it would have been over that quickly. | | | |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 19:25 - Jun 22 with 1857 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 19:23 - Jun 22 by stonojnr |
At the depths they were at the pressure change if the hull breached, according to an ex submariner, they wouldn't even have known there was a leak happening it would have been over that quickly. |
Yep, "microseconds" is what they said on the news a little while ago. | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 19:29 - Jun 22 with 1850 views | davblue |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 17:13 - Jun 22 by blueasfook |
Latest news is debris has been found on the sea bed near to the Titanic site. Not looking good :( |
Pretty sad.
I think If there was an implosion, that would be better than hoping you could be saved I suppose.
The boy of 19 years old, all of his life ahead of him. | | | |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 19:29 - Jun 22 with 1842 views | NewcyBlue |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 18:54 - Jun 22 by BloomBlue |
Dangerous waters, hopefully it wasn't caused by hitting an iceberg. |
Limits of icebergs from the International Ice Patrol.
It’s icebergs per degree square. Which is 60 nautical miles x 60 nautical miles. Or 3600 nautical miles of sea. | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 20:35 - Jun 22 with 1735 views | Ryorry |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 17:54 - Jun 22 by the_toff |
I would be more surprised if there wasn't any debris on the sea bed near to the Titanic.
Although if they've released this to the media perhaps there's sufficient early reasons to believe it's recent debris and likely that of the sub. Whether the sub smashed apart or they're in it with dwindling Oxygen it feels almost impossible that they'll be reunited with their families now. Very sad, I almost hope they did crash as at least they would've known absolutely nothing about it at those pressures. |
Well that's one thing we can agree on anyway - if they are a gonner, let's hope it was very, very quick & they knew nothing about it. [Post edited 22 Jun 2023 20:36]
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 20:52 - Jun 22 with 1669 views | Swansea_Blue |
Crap will hit the fan now. The BBC were carrying the story about the former employee being sacked after raising safety concerns, but that seems to have disappeared now. Still being posted elsewhere though and saying the same as the BBC article. https://www.wvtf.org/2023-06-21/experts-raised-safety-concerns-about-oceangate-y
The only comfort for the deceased and relatives is that it would have been over quickly. |  |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 20:57 - Jun 22 with 1641 views | Churchman |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 20:35 - Jun 22 by Ryorry |
Well that's one thing we can agree on anyway - if they are a gonner, let's hope it was very, very quick & they knew nothing about it. [Post edited 22 Jun 2023 20:36]
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Assuming it was at extreme depth and there was some pressure failure of the hull, they’d have died instantly. [Post edited 23 Jun 2023 6:49]
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 21:00 - Jun 22 with 1635 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 20:57 - Jun 22 by Churchman |
Assuming it was at extreme depth and there was some pressure failure of the hull, they’d have died instantly. [Post edited 23 Jun 2023 6:49]
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Indeed and the recovery of the wreckage, never mind the bodies is very unlikely. | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 21:45 - Jun 22 with 1554 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 18:57 - Jun 22 by Cheltenham_Blue |
5 people likely dead. Pretty poor taste. |
Really? Will it be ok to laugh at the WhatsApp’s in a couple of months when time has passed a bit?
Neither the poster or you knew the people concerned, I’m not saying it’s 100% fine to have a laugh at an anecdote about it but I don’t see the difference in accepting a chuckle in a few months time.
You didn’t know them, you don’t have to mourn, sh1t happens.
There’s a lot of worse stuff going on in the world and forever it will be like that. |  |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 21:51 - Jun 22 with 1527 views | ronnyd |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 21:00 - Jun 22 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Indeed and the recovery of the wreckage, never mind the bodies is very unlikely. |
Shouldn't think that there would be anything tangible humanwise to recover. RIP to the 5. | | | |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 22:15 - Jun 22 with 1469 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 21:45 - Jun 22 by Lord_Lucan |
Really? Will it be ok to laugh at the WhatsApp’s in a couple of months when time has passed a bit?
Neither the poster or you knew the people concerned, I’m not saying it’s 100% fine to have a laugh at an anecdote about it but I don’t see the difference in accepting a chuckle in a few months time.
You didn’t know them, you don’t have to mourn, sh1t happens.
There’s a lot of worse stuff going on in the world and forever it will be like that. |
I don't think it matters whether you knew them or not, it's just very distasteful (IMO) to make jokes about people having just died in a horrific accident. | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 22:47 - Jun 22 with 1424 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 22:15 - Jun 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't think it matters whether you knew them or not, it's just very distasteful (IMO) to make jokes about people having just died in a horrific accident. |
As oppose to other people’s deaths? | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 23:38 - Jun 22 with 1351 views | WicklowBlue |
RIP, Irrespective of the wealthy individuals involved this is a horrific incident. From what is reported so far it appears that the pressure hull experienced a catastrophic failure.
Chris Parry was on the radio again this morning and called the company a "cowboy outfit" and that if there is any positive out of this is better regulation of this area.
Along with the company website boldly dispelling safety over innovation.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0unoXQGT6kIlTkBsm0OtN1?si=Xbu65to2SKOqagI63cfe6
https://castbox.fm/vb/606048231 |  | | |
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