| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site 09:59 - Jun 20 with 23106 views | davblue |
If they are still alive, i dread to think how they are feeling.
Doesn't sound like there's much hope for them judging by the bits that are being released. |  | | |  |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 22:10 - Jun 21 with 2099 views | Ryorry |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 22:03 - Jun 21 by the_toff |
‘Can’t blame them’ though can we. They’re rich, if anything they deserve to die from hypoxia alongside their 19 year old son. |
Ffs. You can think they were stupid, had more money than sense, and STILL feel mega bloody sorry for them facing a slow and dreadful death.
Some people have the capacity to carry think & feel more than one simplistic notion at a time.
Edit - And btw I wasn't one of the people "rolling their eyes". That was a very clear reference to the person writing the tweet & those who 'liked' it. I hadn't even seen the tweet till GB posted it.
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 22:16 - Jun 21 with 2053 views | WeWereZombies |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 22:03 - Jun 21 by the_toff |
‘Can’t blame them’ though can we. They’re rich, if anything they deserve to die from hypoxia alongside their 19 year old son. |
Perhaps a better issue to reflect on is that this 'ace in the hole' story gets main headlines all over the place at the same time as a Tunisian fisherman's story about finding dozens of dead bodies in his nets, including babies, is way down the agenda. It is possible to pity the plight of the occupants of the submersible and be angry at the skewed value judgements exercised by much of our media and its consumers too. |  |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 22:38 - Jun 21 with 1999 views | the_toff |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 22:16 - Jun 21 by WeWereZombies |
Perhaps a better issue to reflect on is that this 'ace in the hole' story gets main headlines all over the place at the same time as a Tunisian fisherman's story about finding dozens of dead bodies in his nets, including babies, is way down the agenda. It is possible to pity the plight of the occupants of the submersible and be angry at the skewed value judgements exercised by much of our media and its consumers too. |
Don’t disagree with that at all. I presume these people are better connected in the media / privileged and as you say the media coverage smacks of hypocrisy.
Wouldn’t result in me rolling my eyes at the plight of these folk on a human level though. |  | | |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 22:46 - Jun 21 with 1982 views | Churchman |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 18:04 - Jun 21 by Keno |
Your mums film reviews sound amazing, do you have any others? |
Actually, her view of the Cameron film isn’t a million miles off. A Night to Remember (1958) is far closer to the event in accuracy terms than the 1997 film.
The loss of Titanic fascinated at the time and has done so ever since, however ghoulish that sounds. It is what it is. There’s few positives, but maritime safety did substantially improve in the wake of the disaster. Learning driven by tragedy - nothing new there but no less sad.
Titanic’s sister ship Britannic was also sunk - by a mine in WW1. But the oldest of the trio RMS Olympic made its maiden voyage in 1911 and continued in service until being scrapped 1935 - 1937 proving there was nothing much wrong with the basic design [Post edited 23 Jun 2023 6:45]
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 07:15 - Jun 22 with 1762 views | Vegtablue |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 22:16 - Jun 21 by WeWereZombies |
Perhaps a better issue to reflect on is that this 'ace in the hole' story gets main headlines all over the place at the same time as a Tunisian fisherman's story about finding dozens of dead bodies in his nets, including babies, is way down the agenda. It is possible to pity the plight of the occupants of the submersible and be angry at the skewed value judgements exercised by much of our media and its consumers too. |
Understandable to reflect on this but, tragically, the latter is the normal consequence of our migrant crisis and the latest Mediterranean sinking was a top news story last week. Similar events have features heavily in news cycles over the last few years and 'stopping the boats' is a daily/weekly media topic.
What we have dominating the headlines again today is a generational event. It contains the British angle, the morbid fascination angle, grim cultural/historical poeticism, is unheard of in its rarity and has the most crucial element of all - finite hope and the race against time. Easy comparisons can be made to the Chilean miners and Thai cave rescue, 'dramas' which on those occasions involved no wealthy souls, no British life at risk but became the main news story for much longer than this will be. I don't honestly recall criticism of those events receiving undue coverage, without wanting to cause controversy. They all pale in comparison to some of the tragic events that occurred around them, at least in respect to loss of life, but those other tragedies were devoid of agency and trackable hope. | | | |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 07:38 - Jun 22 with 1716 views | WeWereZombies |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 07:15 - Jun 22 by Vegtablue |
Understandable to reflect on this but, tragically, the latter is the normal consequence of our migrant crisis and the latest Mediterranean sinking was a top news story last week. Similar events have features heavily in news cycles over the last few years and 'stopping the boats' is a daily/weekly media topic.
What we have dominating the headlines again today is a generational event. It contains the British angle, the morbid fascination angle, grim cultural/historical poeticism, is unheard of in its rarity and has the most crucial element of all - finite hope and the race against time. Easy comparisons can be made to the Chilean miners and Thai cave rescue, 'dramas' which on those occasions involved no wealthy souls, no British life at risk but became the main news story for much longer than this will be. I don't honestly recall criticism of those events receiving undue coverage, without wanting to cause controversy. They all pale in comparison to some of the tragic events that occurred around them, at least in respect to loss of life, but those other tragedies were devoid of agency and trackable hope. |
Either that or people can't cope with altering their behaviour to deal with recognition of elements of our existence that started long before they were born and will continue after they die, the Holocene extinction being another event that is subsisting alongside human migration and global heating. All three are linked and everything we do and say has an effect upon them. | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 07:55 - Jun 22 with 1677 views | Vegtablue |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 07:38 - Jun 22 by WeWereZombies |
Either that or people can't cope with altering their behaviour to deal with recognition of elements of our existence that started long before they were born and will continue after they die, the Holocene extinction being another event that is subsisting alongside human migration and global heating. All three are linked and everything we do and say has an effect upon them. |
As urgent and arresting as those matters are, you aren't describing a readily digestible news piece. | | | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 09:08 - Jun 22 with 1589 views | WeWereZombies |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 07:55 - Jun 22 by Vegtablue |
As urgent and arresting as those matters are, you aren't describing a readily digestible news piece. |
I most certainly am, you can read new items on them every day. You seem to be confusing setting an agenda with reporting what happens. | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 09:15 - Jun 22 with 1576 views | Vegtablue |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 09:08 - Jun 22 by WeWereZombies |
I most certainly am, you can read new items on them every day. You seem to be confusing setting an agenda with reporting what happens. |
You appeared to be describing an agenda. And that's very true, which makes your previous post difficult to place then in how it reacts to the current headline of the submersible rescue mission. | | | |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 09:24 - Jun 22 with 1561 views | WeWereZombies |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 09:15 - Jun 22 by Vegtablue |
You appeared to be describing an agenda. And that's very true, which makes your previous post difficult to place then in how it reacts to the current headline of the submersible rescue mission. |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 09:44 - Jun 22 with 1522 views | blueasfook |
I think today is when they are due to run out of oxygen. Pretty much must be found today really if they are still alive somewhere.
What I find crazy is apparently the hatch is bolted shut from the outside, so even if they are on the surface somewhere they will likely die anyway as they can't get out. Absolutely no way I would have got in that thing in the first place. |  |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 09:50 - Jun 22 with 1506 views | wkj |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 22:03 - Jun 21 by the_toff |
‘Can’t blame them’ though can we. They’re rich, if anything they deserve to die from hypoxia alongside their 19 year old son. |
I gotta say - as far as hot takes go, this one is pretty uncomfortable reading |  |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 09:54 - Jun 22 with 1504 views | StokieBlue |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 09:44 - Jun 22 by blueasfook |
I think today is when they are due to run out of oxygen. Pretty much must be found today really if they are still alive somewhere.
What I find crazy is apparently the hatch is bolted shut from the outside, so even if they are on the surface somewhere they will likely die anyway as they can't get out. Absolutely no way I would have got in that thing in the first place. |
it seems to be a pretty poorly designed submersible - there are even court documents from a few years ago where a whistle-blower from the company tried to highlight the design flaws.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/21/titanic-submersible-documents-reve
Some strange things:
- Hatch can only open from the outside.
- Only one person can sit with their legs stretched out, the other 4 people have been curled up for 4 days now.
- Submersibles are generally round as this evenly displaces the pressure across the hull. This one is torpedo shaped and thus the pressure is different at different points on the hull.
- It's made of carbon fibre which is strong but not used in submersibles in general as there are some questions about it's viability under extreme pressures.
The hatch thing is madness though, worse case they should have a means of destroying the hatch from the inside, as you point out, they could be on the surface and still run out of air.
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 09:57 - Jun 22 with 1485 views | wkj |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 09:54 - Jun 22 by StokieBlue |
it seems to be a pretty poorly designed submersible - there are even court documents from a few years ago where a whistle-blower from the company tried to highlight the design flaws.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/21/titanic-submersible-documents-reve
Some strange things:
- Hatch can only open from the outside.
- Only one person can sit with their legs stretched out, the other 4 people have been curled up for 4 days now.
- Submersibles are generally round as this evenly displaces the pressure across the hull. This one is torpedo shaped and thus the pressure is different at different points on the hull.
- It's made of carbon fibre which is strong but not used in submersibles in general as there are some questions about it's viability under extreme pressures.
The hatch thing is madness though, worse case they should have a means of destroying the hatch from the inside, as you point out, they could be on the surface and still run out of air.
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Im still trying to fathom why there wouldn't be a support vessel with the sub. | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 10:01 - Jun 22 with 1477 views | itfcjoe |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 22:38 - Jun 21 by the_toff |
Don’t disagree with that at all. I presume these people are better connected in the media / privileged and as you say the media coverage smacks of hypocrisy.
Wouldn’t result in me rolling my eyes at the plight of these folk on a human level though. |
I think it's a story that garners more interest because it is a battle to see if they can be saved - similar to the Chilean miners, or the Thai children that were stuck in the cave.....it's that hope there is a happy ending to the story like a movie.
People talking about race/wealth etc seem to be missing that point |  |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 10:03 - Jun 22 with 1469 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 09:54 - Jun 22 by StokieBlue |
it seems to be a pretty poorly designed submersible - there are even court documents from a few years ago where a whistle-blower from the company tried to highlight the design flaws.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/21/titanic-submersible-documents-reve
Some strange things:
- Hatch can only open from the outside.
- Only one person can sit with their legs stretched out, the other 4 people have been curled up for 4 days now.
- Submersibles are generally round as this evenly displaces the pressure across the hull. This one is torpedo shaped and thus the pressure is different at different points on the hull.
- It's made of carbon fibre which is strong but not used in submersibles in general as there are some questions about it's viability under extreme pressures.
The hatch thing is madness though, worse case they should have a means of destroying the hatch from the inside, as you point out, they could be on the surface and still run out of air.
SB |
Absolutely mental that otherwise successful people decided to get in such a thing. |  |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 10:07 - Jun 22 with 1460 views | Mookamoo |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 09:54 - Jun 22 by StokieBlue |
it seems to be a pretty poorly designed submersible - there are even court documents from a few years ago where a whistle-blower from the company tried to highlight the design flaws.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/21/titanic-submersible-documents-reve
Some strange things:
- Hatch can only open from the outside.
- Only one person can sit with their legs stretched out, the other 4 people have been curled up for 4 days now.
- Submersibles are generally round as this evenly displaces the pressure across the hull. This one is torpedo shaped and thus the pressure is different at different points on the hull.
- It's made of carbon fibre which is strong but not used in submersibles in general as there are some questions about it's viability under extreme pressures.
The hatch thing is madness though, worse case they should have a means of destroying the hatch from the inside, as you point out, they could be on the surface and still run out of air.
SB |
It is absolutely astonishing reading about the design and lack of common sense planning.
The echos of poor design choices and poor leadership decisions with the wreck they were going to look at is haunting.
Plus you have very rich people for whom all their wealth means nothing now. [Post edited 22 Jun 2023 10:07]
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 10:07 - Jun 22 with 1452 views | Ryorry |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 07:15 - Jun 22 by Vegtablue |
Understandable to reflect on this but, tragically, the latter is the normal consequence of our migrant crisis and the latest Mediterranean sinking was a top news story last week. Similar events have features heavily in news cycles over the last few years and 'stopping the boats' is a daily/weekly media topic.
What we have dominating the headlines again today is a generational event. It contains the British angle, the morbid fascination angle, grim cultural/historical poeticism, is unheard of in its rarity and has the most crucial element of all - finite hope and the race against time. Easy comparisons can be made to the Chilean miners and Thai cave rescue, 'dramas' which on those occasions involved no wealthy souls, no British life at risk but became the main news story for much longer than this will be. I don't honestly recall criticism of those events receiving undue coverage, without wanting to cause controversy. They all pale in comparison to some of the tragic events that occurred around them, at least in respect to loss of life, but those other tragedies were devoid of agency and trackable hope. |
Yes, particularly important points re "those other tragedies (involving migrants) were devoid of agency and trackable hope", as this is a situation where there's still an ongoing hope of rescue (however slim) so there's inevitably the element of 'drama' - 'will they/won't they be found in time'; and rather than a huge number of anonymous people having been (event sadly in the past with awful outcome now known) at risk, there's only a handful of people in the submersible who are identifiable as individuals, therefore perhaps more 'relateable'.
You can see the latter point tragically exposed when the awful image of the one child washed up on the beach engendered huge public sympathy; whereas boatloads of migrants (including kids) who'd also lost their lives, not so much.
Had the still photo of that shockingly overcrowded boat, taken before it capsized off the coast of Greece, been a live video that we were seeing in ongoing peril with some hope of rescue still, then I think we'd have seen a response more akin to that of the submersible & its occupants. Absolutely certainly so if the media had somehow got hold of the individual back stories of a handful of those migrants, so we knew them as individuals - their names, where they'd come from, why they were fleeing, what their profession or trade was, what they were studying etc. Instead, they're just painted as an anonymous bunch of people (and "illegals" according to right-wingers). | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 10:07 - Jun 22 with 1451 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 16:06 - Jun 21 by GlasgowBlue |
I don't think that Ash Sarkar is struggling financially.
Regardless, it's a disgusting comment to make when five people who are slowly dying from oxygen deprivation at the bottom of the ocean. |
Her comment was about the taxation of the super rich, it has nothing to do with her financial status.
I agree, her comments are poorly timed. She's usually much better than that and I think will regret certainly the timing of the comment.
I suspect there are plenty of Tory-supporting commentators who've made poor tweets but you've chosen not to highlight them. | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 10:13 - Jun 22 with 1425 views | itfcjoe |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 10:03 - Jun 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Absolutely mental that otherwise successful people decided to get in such a thing. |
Absolutely mental that otherwise succesful people used to go out and try and climb Everest when they were likely to die doing so - guess some people are just adventurers, and risk takers, and will always push themselves to do more and more until eventually they fail......and finances allow them to push that limit further than you or I could
But the world would be a worse place without these people who do push the frontiers......but rather them than me! | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 10:18 - Jun 22 with 1394 views | LankHenners |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 10:01 - Jun 22 by itfcjoe |
I think it's a story that garners more interest because it is a battle to see if they can be saved - similar to the Chilean miners, or the Thai children that were stuck in the cave.....it's that hope there is a happy ending to the story like a movie.
People talking about race/wealth etc seem to be missing that point |
Probably an element as well of it not being 'something that could happen to anybody' so, rightly or wrongly, it's easier for people to distance themselves from the situation and look at it with a sense of wonder and intrigue rather than a complete tragedy if it was, for example, a crashed plane. |  |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 10:18 - Jun 22 with 1398 views | StokieBlue |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 10:13 - Jun 22 by itfcjoe |
Absolutely mental that otherwise succesful people used to go out and try and climb Everest when they were likely to die doing so - guess some people are just adventurers, and risk takers, and will always push themselves to do more and more until eventually they fail......and finances allow them to push that limit further than you or I could
But the world would be a worse place without these people who do push the frontiers......but rather them than me! |
Is riding in a submersible that you didn't build, don't own and don't drive actually adventuring though? Doesn't seem like pushing ones self, more just something to do because you can.
Seems quite different to having to physically drag yourself up Everest.
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 10:19 - Jun 22 with 1378 views | Ryorry |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 07:38 - Jun 22 by WeWereZombies |
Either that or people can't cope with altering their behaviour to deal with recognition of elements of our existence that started long before they were born and will continue after they die, the Holocene extinction being another event that is subsisting alongside human migration and global heating. All three are linked and everything we do and say has an effect upon them. |
Imagination can be a very destructive as well as a very positive thing.
Personally, I have to swerve Holocaust remembrances & discussion for the most part, because if I dwelt on it I think I might spend the rest of my life in a psychiatric hospital (the aunt who I'm named after but never knew, lost her life in a concentration camp because she chose not to flee from Hitler to England with my Dad, Mum and one set of grandparents (thank you Winston Churchill & Govt.)). | |
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| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 10:21 - Jun 22 with 1357 views | Vegtablue |
| Those people who a lost near the Titantic site on 09:24 - Jun 22 by WeWereZombies |
Why ? |
Reconciling why the inability of humans to alter their behaviour (or recognize its impact) provides the alternative explanation for an international rescue attempt being headline news for a 90-120 hour period. | | | |
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