| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 13:59 - Jul 17 with 1708 views | noggin |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 13:46 - Jul 17 by blueasfook |
i think it's time you got div listed. |
Oh please don't.. |  |
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:08 - Jul 17 with 1669 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 12:55 - Jul 17 by lowhouseblue |
according to abbott, who should surely know, "in his heart of hearts jeremy was a brexiteer." |
In which case after the referendum all those distraught labour luvvie establishment, remainer MP's should have let him propose how to deal with leaving. But sabotaging the left was always much more important. |  |
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:09 - Jul 17 with 1672 views | blueasfook |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 13:59 - Jul 17 by noggin |
Oh please don't.. |
Give me one good reason why I shouldnt |  |
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:11 - Jul 17 with 1658 views | Darth_Koont |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:09 - Jul 17 by blueasfook |
Give me one good reason why I shouldnt |
ROFL
Yes, noggin. Give one of the board’s most tired trolls a reason. |  |
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:12 - Jul 17 with 1643 views | noggin |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:09 - Jul 17 by blueasfook |
Give me one good reason why I shouldnt |
My emotional wellbeing. | |
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:14 - Jul 17 with 1613 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 13:59 - Jul 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Starmer.....too right wing for Labour's center right.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/17/labour-mps-keir-starmer-tories-
Rosie Duffield, Labour MP for Canterbury, who is on the centre-right of the party, responded to Starmer’s comments by describing the two-child policy as “one of the most unpleasant pieces of legislation ever to have been passed in the UK”.
She tweeted: “It’s very rare for someone to enter the House of Commons having been on tax credits, but myself and a few others did in 2017; scrapping this cruel policy was one of our shared political motives.” |
Why did Corbyn propose keeping it in his 2017 manifesto then? |  |
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:16 - Jul 17 with 1618 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:14 - Jul 17 by GlasgowBlue |
Why did Corbyn propose keeping it in his 2017 manifesto then? |
Obviously to keep Starmer on board. | |
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:18 - Jul 17 with 1612 views | Churchman |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 10:31 - Jul 17 by noggin |
British politics appears worse off for him being deposed. Britain is crumbling beneath your feet and nobody seems willing to fix it. [Post edited 17 Jul 2023 10:35]
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We are better without Corbyn because had he still been looming around, it would have reduced the chances of getting the current scum out. Corbyn was that toxic to a lot of people, regardless of the rights and wrongs of it. I still think it’s a key reason why criminal Johnson got in last time.
Starmer and the current Labour mob need to keep their heads down and give the tories nothing to attack. Let JRM, weakman Sunak and the rest of the privilege gang busily steal, fight with each other lie through their teeth for the next 18 months and then they’re gone.
Governments lose elections, opposition never wins them. |  | | |
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:23 - Jul 17 with 1601 views | noggin |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:18 - Jul 17 by Churchman |
We are better without Corbyn because had he still been looming around, it would have reduced the chances of getting the current scum out. Corbyn was that toxic to a lot of people, regardless of the rights and wrongs of it. I still think it’s a key reason why criminal Johnson got in last time.
Starmer and the current Labour mob need to keep their heads down and give the tories nothing to attack. Let JRM, weakman Sunak and the rest of the privilege gang busily steal, fight with each other lie through their teeth for the next 18 months and then they’re gone.
Governments lose elections, opposition never wins them. |
I reckon you'd be better off without the right wing media than JC. They were the reason Johnson became your leader. | |
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:49 - Jul 17 with 1534 views | Churchman |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:23 - Jul 17 by noggin |
I reckon you'd be better off without the right wing media than JC. They were the reason Johnson became your leader. |
Not my leader. Zippo to do with me. My comment was about the undeniable perceived un-electability of Corbyn, not the reasons why or the justification or otherwise for it. That’s another debate. | | | |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:50 - Jul 17 with 1533 views | chicoazul |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 13:53 - Jul 17 by Darth_Koont |
Xenophobia is certainly a political problem given our ridiculous FPTP and loopy right-wing press setting the agenda. The last 20 years has seen the minority xenophobes at the very heart of our politics. And stuff like the Rwanda policy that not even Labour are willing to fight proves that. |
I don’t agree that’s xenophobia. I think that’s chauvinism. |  |
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:54 - Jul 17 with 1510 views | Darth_Koont |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:14 - Jul 17 by GlasgowBlue |
Why did Corbyn propose keeping it in his 2017 manifesto then? |
“The cuts to work allowances in Universal Credit (UC), and the decision to limit tax credit and UC payments to the first two children in a family, are an attack on low-income families and will increase child poverty. Labour will reform and redesign UC, ending six-week delays in payment and the 'rape clause'.” | |
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:56 - Jul 17 with 1505 views | noggin |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:49 - Jul 17 by Churchman |
Not my leader. Zippo to do with me. My comment was about the undeniable perceived un-electability of Corbyn, not the reasons why or the justification or otherwise for it. That’s another debate. |
I meant 'your leader', as opposed to mine, as I don't live in the UK. | |
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:56 - Jul 17 with 1501 views | Darth_Koont |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:50 - Jul 17 by chicoazul |
I don’t agree that’s xenophobia. I think that’s chauvinism. |
Hair-splitting.
It’s still a fear/ignorance of others and the outside world that fuels these sentiments. | |
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 15:14 - Jul 17 with 1452 views | Churchman |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:56 - Jul 17 by noggin |
I meant 'your leader', as opposed to mine, as I don't live in the UK. |
Sorry. Any perceived association with criminal Johnson and I start to panic. | | | |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 15:21 - Jul 17 with 1422 views | pointofblue |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:56 - Jul 17 by Darth_Koont |
Hair-splitting.
It’s still a fear/ignorance of others and the outside world that fuels these sentiments. |
Though it seems to be throughout continental Europe and the US now; not just Britain. |  |
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 15:23 - Jul 17 with 1423 views | blueasfook |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:12 - Jul 17 by noggin |
My emotional wellbeing. |
Anyways, I'll keep you off the div list for now until you can demonstrate with some proper data how Britain is a Xenophobic country - well at least, more Xenophobic than most.
I'll wait... | |
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 15:27 - Jul 17 with 1398 views | Ryorry |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 11:59 - Jul 17 by NthQldITFC |
Does the leaving behind of many traditional Labour voters open the way for the Lib Dems, Greens or a new party to take that ground effectively and rapidly build a support-base?
We're all so hard-wired to think of everything as either Conservative or Labour (or the occasional coalition led by one of them) but obviously the Liberals were a force until a hundred years or so ago. The tendency is to say nothing will change, it has to be Red or Blue because that's what we're used to, but I'd argue that there's far more chance of destroying the status quo now and putting something new in place for a number of reasons:
1. Communication is massively easier and more wide-reaching.
2. Society is generally far less traditional in all manner of ways.
3. It's blindingly obvious (even if many don't want to face it) that the current 'growth'-obsessed trajectory is fundamentally suicidal.
For all of the above reasons, I'd like to see a new party formed and fronted by a cohort of right-minded and politically flexible celebrities (as much as it in some ways sickens me to say it). People who will appeal to the masses, who will at least be seen as being more trustworthy, and who will have the ear of the politically switched-off celebrity-obsessed masses. Obviously they would need seriously capable people on board, but they would come with none of the baggage of the entrenched poisonous Red|Blue battleground of history.
It might seem simplistic, but imho we desperately need radical change, both from an outcomes perspective, but also to reinvigorate the rotten and corrupt political landscape. The time might be absolutely perfect for this sort of step change now, whilst we've got major threats to our future to stimulate us, and we've still got a semblance of democracy. It's got to better than the status quo. |
Never going to happen, sadly.
It could happen from within the Labour Party, if they had the wisdom, foresight & guts to say something along the lines of "we are going to go for massive investment in a green economy, incorporating R&D + manufacture of renewables, housebuilding & public service infrastructure (incl health & education) - which will create jobs & boost the economy.
"To do this we need to renegotiate entry into the European single market, and welcome asylum seekers/refugees into the country because we'll be able to train them (if they aren't already) in the skills this country so desperately needs.
"Not doing these things means we'll become increasingly isolated, poor, indebted, unable to afford an acceptable level of health, care & education, and powerless (literally) to face increasing external threats such as Putin restricting our energy supplies & the catastrophic effects of climate change". |  |
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 15:36 - Jul 17 with 1369 views | leitrimblue |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 15:23 - Jul 17 by blueasfook |
Anyways, I'll keep you off the div list for now until you can demonstrate with some proper data how Britain is a Xenophobic country - well at least, more Xenophobic than most.
I'll wait... |
A good start might be for you to re read your own article. This time click on the link underlined in the middle of it titled- Shows the UK to be far from racially just. |  | | |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 16:09 - Jul 17 with 1330 views | blueasfook |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 15:36 - Jul 17 by leitrimblue |
A good start might be for you to re read your own article. This time click on the link underlined in the middle of it titled- Shows the UK to be far from racially just. |
I doubt any country in the world could call itself devoid of any racist issues. What I am taking him to task about is the insinuation that the UK is some chronically xenophobic country. Which it plainly isn't. Just an oft-used untruth wheeled out by lefties which needs calling out. | |
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 16:39 - Jul 17 with 1274 views | blueasfook |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 13:36 - Jul 17 by Darth_Koont |
Smeary liars gonna smearily lie.
I’m completely used to it of course. But ridiculously harsh on Phil and the forum. I’ve backed up my counter-arguments with evidence which might explain why he doesn’t take your accusations as read.
And yes, I will always confront dodgy dishonest operators like you. |
Your constant refusal to accept that anti-semitism was a real problem under Corbyn's watch is at least delusional. At worst offensive. | |
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 16:51 - Jul 17 with 1248 views | Darth_Koont |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 16:39 - Jul 17 by blueasfook |
Your constant refusal to accept that anti-semitism was a real problem under Corbyn's watch is at least delusional. At worst offensive. |
That would be a real problem if it were actually true.
I did say there was antisemitism in Labour — and anyone in denial about that is categorically wrong. But I did say it was also weaponised and lied about for factional/party political reasons. Also now undeniable.
The idea that antisemitism emerged and was encouraged under Corbyn is nonsense. As any objective analysis of the facts shows. | |
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 17:14 - Jul 17 with 1162 views | DJR |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 16:09 - Jul 17 by blueasfook |
I doubt any country in the world could call itself devoid of any racist issues. What I am taking him to task about is the insinuation that the UK is some chronically xenophobic country. Which it plainly isn't. Just an oft-used untruth wheeled out by lefties which needs calling out. |
Whilst attitudes to immigration and racism are not necessarily the same thing, this is an interesting finding.
https://www.uk-values.org/news-comment/uk-attitudes-to-immigration-among-most-po [Post edited 17 Jul 2023 17:14]
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 17:14 - Jul 17 with 1155 views | noggin |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 15:23 - Jul 17 by blueasfook |
Anyways, I'll keep you off the div list for now until you can demonstrate with some proper data how Britain is a Xenophobic country - well at least, more Xenophobic than most.
I'll wait... |
I didn't say it was more xenophobic than most. I'm sure you agree though, that the overreaction to the small boats, is ridiculous and that brexit was largely based on 'controlling' immigration? | |
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| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 17:14 - Jul 17 with 1149 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Keir Starmer is threatening to leave our crises unchanged… on 14:54 - Jul 17 by Darth_Koont |
“The cuts to work allowances in Universal Credit (UC), and the decision to limit tax credit and UC payments to the first two children in a family, are an attack on low-income families and will increase child poverty. Labour will reform and redesign UC, ending six-week delays in payment and the 'rape clause'.” |
"Three-quarters of the huge package of benefit cuts announced by the former chancellor in 2015 are yet to be implemented, including a major reduction in support given to the low-paid, and limiting payments to families with more than two children".
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/20/labour-manifesto-keep-planned-t | |
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