| Mason Greenwood, part 427 09:47 - Aug 16 with 6854 views | itfc_bucks |
I'm sure this has been done to death, but it's back in the news again today.
We all heard the recording, we all know how it sounded. There's an argument that we haven't heard "his side", but honestly, I can't imagine what context he can add here that would make this better in any way at all.
At risk of sounding "flouncy", I don't think I'd set foot in Portman Road ever again if he signed for us, but I'm quite certain that huge swathes of football fans would welcome him to their clubs and not bat an eyelid.
Genuinely hoping that Bowyer and Thatcher are as bad as it ever gets here. |  | | |  |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 09:55 - Aug 16 with 4764 views | MattinLondon |
Can someone change? Should we hold people to being a prisoner of their past? Not related to this case, but if a player has been sent to jail, served their time, then had their debt to society also been served?
By all accounts he’s not a very savoury person but he hasn’t been found guilty of anything. I’m not advocating signing him but if he apologises for past behaviour and tries to make amends then should that count towards his football rehabilitation? |  | | |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 09:56 - Aug 16 with 4763 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
Thatcher was just a dirty player, wasn't he?
I didn't want him here, but not in the same ball park as convicted Assaulter of Asian people* Bowyer.
* convicted of a racist attack on a Fast Food worker. Acquitted over the Leeds attack which was definitely done by Youth Team players.
This covers it:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2001/dec/14/newsstory.sport13 | | | |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 10:08 - Aug 16 with 4698 views | blueasfook |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 09:55 - Aug 16 by MattinLondon |
Can someone change? Should we hold people to being a prisoner of their past? Not related to this case, but if a player has been sent to jail, served their time, then had their debt to society also been served?
By all accounts he’s not a very savoury person but he hasn’t been found guilty of anything. I’m not advocating signing him but if he apologises for past behaviour and tries to make amends then should that count towards his football rehabilitation? |
The Plymouth keeper (David Norris's mate, cant remember his name) carried on his career after doing time for killing 2 young kids through drink driving. Personally, I wouldnt have wanted him at our club and would never have got behind such a person at our club, but the clubs he played for after coming out of prison didnt seem to have a problem with him. |  |
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| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 11:19 - Aug 16 with 4546 views | itfc_bucks |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 09:55 - Aug 16 by MattinLondon |
Can someone change? Should we hold people to being a prisoner of their past? Not related to this case, but if a player has been sent to jail, served their time, then had their debt to society also been served?
By all accounts he’s not a very savoury person but he hasn’t been found guilty of anything. I’m not advocating signing him but if he apologises for past behaviour and tries to make amends then should that count towards his football rehabilitation? |
So the acceptable standard is simply if he's convicted or not?
And, to be clear, he hasn't made any comment in the public domain. | | | |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 11:22 - Aug 16 with 4522 views | MattinLondon |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 11:19 - Aug 16 by itfc_bucks |
So the acceptable standard is simply if he's convicted or not?
And, to be clear, he hasn't made any comment in the public domain. |
No. Simply suggesting that some people do indeed change. Not saying that he has but if there is a true to make amends then that should count towards some sort of redemption. [Post edited 16 Aug 2023 11:27]
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| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 11:31 - Aug 16 with 4474 views | ChampionsofInnsbruck |
At least Bowyer and Thatcher were professionals when they were here, whether you like their past or not. I raise you Bullard and Chopra, who were a real disgrace off the pitch while under contract at Ipswich. |  | | |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 11:46 - Aug 16 with 4427 views | Sharkey |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 10:08 - Aug 16 by blueasfook |
The Plymouth keeper (David Norris's mate, cant remember his name) carried on his career after doing time for killing 2 young kids through drink driving. Personally, I wouldnt have wanted him at our club and would never have got behind such a person at our club, but the clubs he played for after coming out of prison didnt seem to have a problem with him. |
Out if interest, would you accept a player simply convicted of drink driving? (Or, for that matter, driving while messaging on a phone?) |  | | |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 11:48 - Aug 16 with 4406 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 11:22 - Aug 16 by MattinLondon |
No. Simply suggesting that some people do indeed change. Not saying that he has but if there is a true to make amends then that should count towards some sort of redemption. [Post edited 16 Aug 2023 11:27]
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Especially someone who is 19. | | | |
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| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 12:00 - Aug 16 with 4305 views | blueasfook |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 11:46 - Aug 16 by Sharkey |
Out if interest, would you accept a player simply convicted of drink driving? (Or, for that matter, driving while messaging on a phone?) |
That's hardly the same thing. That guy killed 2 young kids. | |
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| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 12:06 - Aug 16 with 4270 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 11:19 - Aug 16 by itfc_bucks |
So the acceptable standard is simply if he's convicted or not?
And, to be clear, he hasn't made any comment in the public domain. |
I don’t think there is one acceptable standard. By all accounts we go out of our way to make sure incoming players are of the right character, so that would likely rule an a-hole like Greenwood out irrespective of his run-in with the law. Other teams may not worry about that and be happy to sign him. Neither would be right or wrong; just different ways of going about things. |  |
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| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 12:24 - Aug 16 with 4193 views | Kievthegreat |
M: Move your f#####g legs up.
F: No. I don't want to have sex.
M: I don't give a f##k what you want you little s##t
F: Mason
M: Shut up. Stop talking to me. Stop.
F: Stop putting your d##k near me.
M: I'm going to f##k you, you t##t
F: I don't want to have sex with you
M: I don't care if you don't want to have sex with me, do you hear me?
F: Why do have to do this though?
M: Cause I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it.
M: I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it so what else do you want me to do?
F: Then go and f##k someone else
M: I don't want to f##k someone else
F: You do
M: No I don't.
M: Push me again one more time and watch what happens to you
F: No
M: Well, actually you will.
Not the sort of person I'd want at our club. |  | | |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 12:26 - Aug 16 with 4154 views | GlasgowBlue |
Wouldn't touch him with a bargepole. |  |
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| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 12:31 - Aug 16 with 4109 views | Freddies_Ears |
Utterly disgusting of ManU to announce that will be consulting their women players before making their minds up re his situation. One, that a number are at the World Cup and could do without that kind of distraction, and two, just imagine the abuse they'll be getting from ManU's incels, especially if they make the right decision. | | | |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 12:36 - Aug 16 with 4073 views | GeoffSentence |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 12:24 - Aug 16 by Kievthegreat |
M: Move your f#####g legs up.
F: No. I don't want to have sex.
M: I don't give a f##k what you want you little s##t
F: Mason
M: Shut up. Stop talking to me. Stop.
F: Stop putting your d##k near me.
M: I'm going to f##k you, you t##t
F: I don't want to have sex with you
M: I don't care if you don't want to have sex with me, do you hear me?
F: Why do have to do this though?
M: Cause I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it.
M: I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it so what else do you want me to do?
F: Then go and f##k someone else
M: I don't want to f##k someone else
F: You do
M: No I don't.
M: Push me again one more time and watch what happens to you
F: No
M: Well, actually you will.
Not the sort of person I'd want at our club. |
Cripes! Is that an actual transcript of what was said? On what basis was he found not guilty if that was presented as evidence? |  |
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| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 12:40 - Aug 16 with 4058 views | Dyland |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 12:36 - Aug 16 by GeoffSentence |
Cripes! Is that an actual transcript of what was said? On what basis was he found not guilty if that was presented as evidence? |
She dropped the charges. Also worth noting they are still together and have had a kid. You’d think that he’s not said anything to avoid the Streisand Effect, and one would like to think he’s changed, seeing as she’s still with him. However I’d hate for him to play here, too much baggage.
Edit- or rather she declined to give evidence rather than dropping charges? Either way, salient point is they are still together. [Post edited 16 Aug 2023 12:41]
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| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 12:44 - Aug 16 with 4032 views | GeoffSentence |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 12:40 - Aug 16 by Dyland |
She dropped the charges. Also worth noting they are still together and have had a kid. You’d think that he’s not said anything to avoid the Streisand Effect, and one would like to think he’s changed, seeing as she’s still with him. However I’d hate for him to play here, too much baggage.
Edit- or rather she declined to give evidence rather than dropping charges? Either way, salient point is they are still together. [Post edited 16 Aug 2023 12:41]
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Thanks, I haven't followed it in any detail, as you can see. | |
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| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 12:47 - Aug 16 with 4008 views | MJallday |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 12:24 - Aug 16 by Kievthegreat |
M: Move your f#####g legs up.
F: No. I don't want to have sex.
M: I don't give a f##k what you want you little s##t
F: Mason
M: Shut up. Stop talking to me. Stop.
F: Stop putting your d##k near me.
M: I'm going to f##k you, you t##t
F: I don't want to have sex with you
M: I don't care if you don't want to have sex with me, do you hear me?
F: Why do have to do this though?
M: Cause I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it.
M: I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it so what else do you want me to do?
F: Then go and f##k someone else
M: I don't want to f##k someone else
F: You do
M: No I don't.
M: Push me again one more time and watch what happens to you
F: No
M: Well, actually you will.
Not the sort of person I'd want at our club. |
I won’t put what I think people like that should be called as it could land the site in legal trouble but I’m sure we’re all thinking it.
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| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 12:48 - Aug 16 with 4001 views | BigCommon |
"Kid does something regrettable".. Shock horror.
Happens all the time in real life...
Not condoning what happened or trying to downplay the seriousness of anything. But, imo, kids should always be given a second chance. If he repeat offends, or if he was a grown man in his twenties or thirties. Then I'd take a different view...
Can't go hammering someone forever, because they made a big mistake as a young boy, imo. |  | | |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 12:52 - Aug 16 with 3983 views | Dyland |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 12:48 - Aug 16 by BigCommon |
"Kid does something regrettable".. Shock horror.
Happens all the time in real life...
Not condoning what happened or trying to downplay the seriousness of anything. But, imo, kids should always be given a second chance. If he repeat offends, or if he was a grown man in his twenties or thirties. Then I'd take a different view...
Can't go hammering someone forever, because they made a big mistake as a young boy, imo. |
I don’t disagree with the general point, but there are mistakes and then there are mistakes. Some things are unforgivable imho, because they point to something really heinous and egregious in someone’s character. But in this case there’s no actual evidence or conviction so need to be careful what we write. Whatever the truth is he has a lot of baggage and I wouldn’t want him here. I’m not saying he shouldn’t have a career in football per se though. [Post edited 16 Aug 2023 12:54]
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| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 12:56 - Aug 16 with 3943 views | itfc_bucks |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 12:52 - Aug 16 by Dyland |
I don’t disagree with the general point, but there are mistakes and then there are mistakes. Some things are unforgivable imho, because they point to something really heinous and egregious in someone’s character. But in this case there’s no actual evidence or conviction so need to be careful what we write. Whatever the truth is he has a lot of baggage and I wouldn’t want him here. I’m not saying he shouldn’t have a career in football per se though. [Post edited 16 Aug 2023 12:54]
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I'm sorry, there's no actual evidence?
Is that a serious post? | | | |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 13:01 - Aug 16 with 3893 views | Dyland |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 12:56 - Aug 16 by itfc_bucks |
I'm sorry, there's no actual evidence?
Is that a serious post? |
I haven’t followed it very closely. I meant 100% unequivocal evidence of rape? How long does the recording go on for? Phil may not want this thread to continue of course… | |
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| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 13:03 - Aug 16 with 3880 views | Vic |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 11:22 - Aug 16 by MattinLondon |
No. Simply suggesting that some people do indeed change. Not saying that he has but if there is a true to make amends then that should count towards some sort of redemption. [Post edited 16 Aug 2023 11:27]
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I'm a massive believer in giving people a 2nd, 3rd or even 4th chance. We all make mistakes and need to be given a chance.
BUT - that chance comes after a statement of remorse and regret and showing some evidence of the genuineness of this. If Greenwood is sorry then he needs to publicly say so. |  |
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| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 13:12 - Aug 16 with 3795 views | Horsham |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 13:03 - Aug 16 by Vic |
I'm a massive believer in giving people a 2nd, 3rd or even 4th chance. We all make mistakes and need to be given a chance.
BUT - that chance comes after a statement of remorse and regret and showing some evidence of the genuineness of this. If Greenwood is sorry then he needs to publicly say so. |
I imagine the legalities all get a bit complicated in that if he says sorry then presumably it’s pretty worthless without saying what he’s sorry for, and if he says what he’s sorry for then potentially that’s potentially tantamount to a confession and admissible as well evidence that could could lead to a conviction. The lack of a conviction doesn’t mean he’s innocent. |  | | |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 13:16 - Aug 16 with 3766 views | Kievthegreat |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 12:36 - Aug 16 by GeoffSentence |
Cripes! Is that an actual transcript of what was said? On what basis was he found not guilty if that was presented as evidence? |
That is a transcript of the audio recording his partner released on Instagram. It was released along with a series of photos showing her with a busted, bleeding lip and various bruises on her body.
As others have mentioned, charges were dropped as she did not want to give evidence against him.
Still does not alter my view that I'd want nothing to do with him and that I'd want the club to have nothing to do with him. | | | |
| Well that answers my question , or rather a slightly different one on 13:21 - Aug 16 with 3730 views | Dyland |
| Mason Greenwood, part 427 on 13:16 - Aug 16 by Kievthegreat |
That is a transcript of the audio recording his partner released on Instagram. It was released along with a series of photos showing her with a busted, bleeding lip and various bruises on her body.
As others have mentioned, charges were dropped as she did not want to give evidence against him.
Still does not alter my view that I'd want nothing to do with him and that I'd want the club to have nothing to do with him. |
And reaffirms that I don’t want him playing for Town | |
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