| Is football a place for political statements? 16:33 - Dec 27 with 6995 views | blueboyd |
Morsy and his Gaza/Palestine comments in his interview, is there a place for this in football? Should footballers regardless of their beliefs just zip it about issues like this?
After all, some of his beliefs due to his faith are pretty rank in the modern world. |  | | |  |
| Religion is a funny old game.... on 18:26 - Dec 27 with 1605 views | Bloots |
| To be fair, he did retweet.... on 18:21 - Dec 27 by yorkshireblue |
I do find it odd that the heavily tattooed Folau seems to choose which part of the bible he believes in.
Leviticus 19:28, “You shall not make gashes in your flesh for the dead, or incise any marks on yourselves.”
Almost as if he’s using ‘beliefs’ as an excuse for his own bigotry. |
...isn't it!?
Isn't it?
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| Is football a place for political statements? on 18:30 - Dec 27 with 1576 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Why should a football player be censored from giving their opinion from matters that they consider important. You wish to express your freedom to assert that his Muslim beliefs should not be tolerated which is a lot more offensive frankly. |  |
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| To be fair, he did retweet.... on 18:41 - Dec 27 with 1521 views | Mullet |
| To be fair, he did retweet.... on 18:21 - Dec 27 by yorkshireblue |
I do find it odd that the heavily tattooed Folau seems to choose which part of the bible he believes in.
Leviticus 19:28, “You shall not make gashes in your flesh for the dead, or incise any marks on yourselves.”
Almost as if he’s using ‘beliefs’ as an excuse for his own bigotry. |
Leviticus is the Old Testament, Jesus was pretty clear those were the old laws and his were the new ones. Plus Christianity has the difference of not demanding scripture be followed fundamentally in the same way Islam does. |  |
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| That Jesus eh.....? on 18:42 - Dec 27 with 1507 views | Bloots |
| To be fair, he did retweet.... on 18:41 - Dec 27 by Mullet |
Leviticus is the Old Testament, Jesus was pretty clear those were the old laws and his were the new ones. Plus Christianity has the difference of not demanding scripture be followed fundamentally in the same way Islam does. |
....he was a little tinker wasn't he?! | |
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| What he said last night was always.... on 18:44 - Dec 27 with 1488 views | LankHenners |
| What he said last night was always.... on 18:25 - Dec 27 by Bloots |
...going to happen, he's been an advocate of Palestine for a long time.
I don't see any issue with it personally, as long as he's expressing support to a cause, rather than negativity to another. Which is an approach many would do well to adopt.
His tweets/retweets were mentioned on here previously, a number of people saw them, including me. They were clearly an endorsement of Folou's views on homosexuality, and that coupled with his refusal to wear the rainbow armband, in my view take him over the line of merely not commenting on the issue.
The fact they were deleted speaks volumes.
It got very little traction on here when it was discussed previously, I assume because it was our "Captain". [Post edited 27 Dec 2023 18:32]
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Spent the Qatar World Cup liking tweets about being 'forced' to listen to 'LGBT propaganda' as well among other things on similar lines. Remember commenting on that on here at the time and saying it made it hard for me to hold him in the same regard as others do (even accepting most footballers are divs who think/do stupid things). Pretty sure I got the 'but how do you know he *really* believes that', 'I don't care what he thinks, as long as he performs on the pitch' type stuff. |  |
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| Yep, I remember it too... on 18:54 - Dec 27 with 1426 views | Bloots |
| What he said last night was always.... on 18:44 - Dec 27 by LankHenners |
Spent the Qatar World Cup liking tweets about being 'forced' to listen to 'LGBT propaganda' as well among other things on similar lines. Remember commenting on that on here at the time and saying it made it hard for me to hold him in the same regard as others do (even accepting most footballers are divs who think/do stupid things). Pretty sure I got the 'but how do you know he *really* believes that', 'I don't care what he thinks, as long as he performs on the pitch' type stuff. |
....there was also a bit of a love in for the delightful Andrew Tate I believe.
Oh well. | |
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| What he said last night was always.... on 18:55 - Dec 27 with 1427 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| What he said last night was always.... on 18:44 - Dec 27 by LankHenners |
Spent the Qatar World Cup liking tweets about being 'forced' to listen to 'LGBT propaganda' as well among other things on similar lines. Remember commenting on that on here at the time and saying it made it hard for me to hold him in the same regard as others do (even accepting most footballers are divs who think/do stupid things). Pretty sure I got the 'but how do you know he *really* believes that', 'I don't care what he thinks, as long as he performs on the pitch' type stuff. |
So your beliefs, (as are mine), are that we should be accepting of all others?
Except, it seems, when it comes to their individual beliefs, at which point, they should not have them if they differ to ours? Is that it?
Don't get me wrong, I don't share Morsy's beliefs, but he is clearly devout, you've only to watch him pre kick off and if he scores. But I do respect the fact that he is entitled to have and adhere to his own beliefs.
As long as he isn't being openly homophobic, which the club would never tolerate, then it's really up to him isn't it?
This thread has taken quite the turn. [Post edited 27 Dec 2023 19:01]
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| Is football a place for political statements? on 19:02 - Dec 27 with 1407 views | BigCommon |
Nobody should be forced to "zip it up", ever, imo.
He's entitled to speak his opinion the same as anyone else in this country..
Millions might agree with Sam, millions might disagree with his views...
Free country, free speech.
Lets not start living under a dictatorship where everything is censored beyond recognition... It just leads to brainwashing a nation.. |  | | |
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| It hasn't really.... on 19:03 - Dec 27 with 1405 views | Bloots |
| What he said last night was always.... on 18:55 - Dec 27 by Cheltenham_Blue |
So your beliefs, (as are mine), are that we should be accepting of all others?
Except, it seems, when it comes to their individual beliefs, at which point, they should not have them if they differ to ours? Is that it?
Don't get me wrong, I don't share Morsy's beliefs, but he is clearly devout, you've only to watch him pre kick off and if he scores. But I do respect the fact that he is entitled to have and adhere to his own beliefs.
As long as he isn't being openly homophobic, which the club would never tolerate, then it's really up to him isn't it?
This thread has taken quite the turn. [Post edited 27 Dec 2023 19:01]
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...."taken quite the turn", the poster mentions his beliefs in the original post on this thread and they are being discussed.
My main point is that it's interesting to see how people's reactions differ when the beliefs belong to the captain of your favourite football team rather than anyone else.
Perhaps someone should set up an account on here and start putting up tweets that say homosexuality is a sin, that gay marriage should be banned, that women have no place in football and that Andrew Tate is a great bloke? Be interesting to see the reaction then. | |
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| Is football a place for political statements? on 19:04 - Dec 27 with 1402 views | Ftnfwest |
Right or wrong It’s not a political statement is it? |  | | |
| It hasn't really.... on 19:21 - Dec 27 with 1371 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| It hasn't really.... on 19:03 - Dec 27 by Bloots |
...."taken quite the turn", the poster mentions his beliefs in the original post on this thread and they are being discussed.
My main point is that it's interesting to see how people's reactions differ when the beliefs belong to the captain of your favourite football team rather than anyone else.
Perhaps someone should set up an account on here and start putting up tweets that say homosexuality is a sin, that gay marriage should be banned, that women have no place in football and that Andrew Tate is a great bloke? Be interesting to see the reaction then. |
"Perhaps someone should set up an account on here and start putting up tweets that say homosexuality is a sin, that gay marriage should be banned, that women have no place in football and that Andrew Tate is a great bloke?"
Can you point me to the Homophobic, Misogynistic and pro-Tate tweets Morsy has posted? I've been all the way back to before the world cup and can't find one. | |
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| Is football a place for political statements? on 19:23 - Dec 27 with 1369 views | BrianTablet |
| Is football a place for political statements? on 17:14 - Dec 27 by benrhyddingblue |
Well said. If only more people realised this fact |
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| Deleted for Mr Ham's sake....! on 19:27 - Dec 27 with 1341 views | Bloots |
| It hasn't really.... on 19:21 - Dec 27 by Cheltenham_Blue |
"Perhaps someone should set up an account on here and start putting up tweets that say homosexuality is a sin, that gay marriage should be banned, that women have no place in football and that Andrew Tate is a great bloke?"
Can you point me to the Homophobic, Misogynistic and pro-Tate tweets Morsy has posted? I've been all the way back to before the world cup and can't find one. |
....Season's greetings! [Post edited 27 Dec 2023 19:29]
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| Is football a place for political statements? on 19:28 - Dec 27 with 1337 views | ElephantintheRoom |
He’s a Wolverhampton lad isn’t he? No idea what he said but presumably he feels Israel have gone bit too far. Most would agree with him. | |
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| Is football a place for political statements? on 19:29 - Dec 27 with 1337 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
I wonder what Sam thinks about Mark Regev. |  |
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| Is football a place for political statements? on 19:32 - Dec 27 with 1315 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Is football a place for political statements? on 16:59 - Dec 27 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You’re new around here aren’t you! |
Imagine being as oppressed as JJJJ. | |
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| Is football a place for political statements? on 19:40 - Dec 27 with 1287 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Is football a place for political statements? on 18:30 - Dec 27 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Why should a football player be censored from giving their opinion from matters that they consider important. You wish to express your freedom to assert that his Muslim beliefs should not be tolerated which is a lot more offensive frankly. |
If "Muslim beliefs" involve bigotry towards the LGBT community, then no, they shouldn't be tolerated.
It's extremely disappointing to see this being given a free pass by so many on here. |  | | |
| Is football a place for political statements? on 19:43 - Dec 27 with 1267 views | SitfcB |
| Is football a place for political statements? on 19:28 - Dec 27 by ElephantintheRoom |
He’s a Wolverhampton lad isn’t he? No idea what he said but presumably he feels Israel have gone bit too far. Most would agree with him. |
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| Is football a place for political statements? on 19:45 - Dec 27 with 1250 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Is football a place for political statements? on 19:43 - Dec 27 by SitfcB |
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Captain, my captain. | |
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| Is football a place for political statements? on 20:36 - Dec 27 with 1169 views | SitfcB |
| Is football a place for political statements? on 19:29 - Dec 27 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I wonder what Sam thinks about Mark Regev. |
Who’s that? | |
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| Is football a place for political statements? on 20:39 - Dec 27 with 1156 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Is football a place for political statements? on 20:36 - Dec 27 by SitfcB |
Who’s that? |
He's the apologist that gets rolled out to speak for the Israeli state...he's a bit of a c#nt. | |
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| It hasn't really.... on 20:43 - Dec 27 with 1138 views | pointofblue |
| It hasn't really.... on 19:21 - Dec 27 by Cheltenham_Blue |
"Perhaps someone should set up an account on here and start putting up tweets that say homosexuality is a sin, that gay marriage should be banned, that women have no place in football and that Andrew Tate is a great bloke?"
Can you point me to the Homophobic, Misogynistic and pro-Tate tweets Morsy has posted? I've been all the way back to before the world cup and can't find one. |
If he did retweet homophobic and sexist tweets made by the likes of Folau and Tate, then it's very clear that Morsy's attitude goes beyond the pale. As there is no proof, either because it's an unsubstantiated rumour or he deleted them, it's impossible to judge. | |
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| It hasn't really.... on 20:58 - Dec 27 with 1095 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| It hasn't really.... on 20:43 - Dec 27 by pointofblue |
If he did retweet homophobic and sexist tweets made by the likes of Folau and Tate, then it's very clear that Morsy's attitude goes beyond the pale. As there is no proof, either because it's an unsubstantiated rumour or he deleted them, it's impossible to judge. |
As you say, the substantive word is ‘If’
I’ve seen nothing to make me think less of Morsy, I’m sure the club would take a dim view if this were the case. | |
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| Is football a place for political statements? on 21:35 - Dec 27 with 1033 views | thatbdude |
| Is football a place for political statements? on 19:43 - Dec 27 by SitfcB |
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Love him even more now |  |
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| Is football a place for political statements? on 21:42 - Dec 27 with 998 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Is football a place for political statements? on 19:40 - Dec 27 by Clapham_Junction |
If "Muslim beliefs" involve bigotry towards the LGBT community, then no, they shouldn't be tolerated.
It's extremely disappointing to see this being given a free pass by so many on here. |
The thing is that nothing that he has done or stated has involved bigotry towards the LGBT community and yet it is OK to put words into his mouth and criticise him because he is a Muslim. | |
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