| Kiefer Moore on 12:48 - Jan 4 with 2173 views | Wallingford_Boy |
A player that’s played and scored in the Prem this season.
I think he might just squeeze into our team somehow! |  |
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| Kiefer Moore on 12:49 - Jan 4 with 2175 views | DanJam90 |
I'm not sure we could compete on wages in the same vein that Leeds/others could, especially with their parachute payments.
Colby Bishop - decent player but i think we can do better, he is younger than Moore at 27 vs 31, but Moore has the championship experience i think we need.
We need two strikers as neither Jackson/Ladapo will cut it (i personally think Ladapo will go), one in the shape of one for the future/next year and another to get the next 6 months done.
I'd like both jay stansfield and moore, losing ladapo.
I know we will try and stay within the FFP constraints, but i'm not convinced we will get a better chance of promotion in the next 1-2 years. |  | | |
| Kiefer Moore on 12:51 - Jan 4 with 2159 views | itfcsuth |
| Kiefer Moore on 12:01 - Jan 4 by StokieBlue |
Guess we will have to agree to disagree on that one.
Whenever I have seen him he simply doesn't press from the front in the same way Hirst does (although in reality it might be nearly impossible to find someone in our price range who does press like Hirst).
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You are probably right in terms of his pressing levels, they probably aren't going to match Hirst - although as you say it would be difficult to find somebody to replicate what Hirst does for this team.
It may also be a case of what a manager is asking of him in the team he is playing at at the time as well.
I don't actually think we will end up bringing Moore in, but I certainly would be happy if we did, I think he is a good centre forward with a lot of quality. |  | | |
| Kiefer Moore on 13:00 - Jan 4 with 2139 views | Guthrum |
It would be a bit of a fairytale. The striker plucked from Non-League, sold into L1, goes on to play in the Prem and for his country, then comes back to the club which gave him a break* to fire them to promotion.
* Conveniently ignoring his stint in the Champ with Yeovil. |  |
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| Kiefer Moore on 13:04 - Jan 4 with 2097 views | bobbyramsey |
| Kiefer Moore on 12:10 - Jan 4 by homer_123 |
Of course he does. This is more about round holes and square pegs.
If we look at the way we play and players knowing exactly what is expected of them within the system we play - it's hard to see KM bringing in players than cannot fulfill the majority of those requirements.
Especially in the Jan transfer window. |
A lot of our players were "square pegs" until KMc got hold of them though.....
Not saying I love Kiefer Moore but there's obviously a player in there. |  | | |
| Kiefer Moore on 13:20 - Jan 4 with 2051 views | textbackup |
| Kiefer Moore on 12:01 - Jan 4 by StokieBlue |
Guess we will have to agree to disagree on that one.
Whenever I have seen him he simply doesn't press from the front in the same way Hirst does (although in reality it might be nearly impossible to find someone in our price range who does press like Hirst).
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I might be going mad here, but if the manager says ‘I want you to press, like Hirst does’ do you think a professional footballer wouldn’t take that instruction on and do it? |  |
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| Kiefer Moore on 13:31 - Jan 4 with 2014 views | BlueBoots |
| Kiefer Moore on 11:59 - Jan 4 by _clive_baker_ |
Not sure I agree really. He's not the immobile carthorse some are making him out to be. Hirst's movement is fantastic, a real asset and one we'll struggle to replace. He's such intelligent footballer and very natural forward, a big blow that he's injured. I wouldn't put Moore in the same bracket in that respect, but he has the physicality and ability to pin defenders and create for those around him which is what we desperately lack with Freddie. He's a handful, I do quite rate him and think he's unfairly pigeon holed as a bit of a throwback 'big man', when in reality he's more than that.
We need someone who can come in fit and ready to hit the ground running. He's familiar with the club, knows Broadhead and Burns from Wales duty. I don't see too many better alternatives either, everyone seems to be looking for a striker. |
Pretty much sums it up; also, not every team we come up against looks to play out from the back, so the need for our centre forward to run themselves into the ground leading a high press isn't as necessary in those games.
Moore would be an upgrade (even on Hirst) on what we have in terms of back-to-goal link up play with the 3 who play in behind; you made the good point that 2 of those are international teammates so will already have a feel for how to play alongside them. [Post edited 4 Jan 2024 13:37]
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| Kiefer Moore on 13:39 - Jan 4 with 1976 views | Herbivore |
| Kiefer Moore on 13:20 - Jan 4 by textbackup |
I might be going mad here, but if the manager says ‘I want you to press, like Hirst does’ do you think a professional footballer wouldn’t take that instruction on and do it? |
It's not as simple as that though. |  |
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| Kiefer Moore on 13:39 - Jan 4 with 1975 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Kiefer Moore on 13:20 - Jan 4 by textbackup |
I might be going mad here, but if the manager says ‘I want you to press, like Hirst does’ do you think a professional footballer wouldn’t take that instruction on and do it? |
Part of that is physical capability/endurance though. Not everyone can press with the intensity that Hirst does relentlessly. Ladapo clearly can't for a start. |  | | |
| Kiefer Moore on 13:58 - Jan 4 with 1898 views | BseaBlue |
| Kiefer Moore on 13:39 - Jan 4 by tractorboy1978 |
Part of that is physical capability/endurance though. Not everyone can press with the intensity that Hirst does relentlessly. Ladapo clearly can't for a start. |
I'd say its the intelligence of knowing when to close, when to shut down the angles, when to force the keeper to go long etc.
Hirst isn't just a work horse. He has the anticipation to close down in the right areas and force the opposition into mistakes. A great strength and attribrute to a team that likes to control possession and something that will be very difficult to replace! |  | | |
| Kiefer Moore on 14:11 - Jan 4 with 1841 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Kiefer Moore on 13:20 - Jan 4 by textbackup |
I might be going mad here, but if the manager says ‘I want you to press, like Hirst does’ do you think a professional footballer wouldn’t take that instruction on and do it? |
Given how we've tactically set up for the last 2 years, given how we've recruited for the last 2 years to sign players which fit the system we set up as, I would be absolutely baffled if they looked at Moore and thought 'we'll sign him and make him someone who plays the same way as Hirst does' ... given just how that isn't his game in the slightest, or neither how we set up.
Moore has his strengths, no doubting that as he's had a decent career for it - but those strengths are not how we play. |  |
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| Agreed, it's difficult to work out.... on 14:55 - Jan 4 with 1758 views | ReusersTown |
| Agreed, it's difficult to work out.... on 11:54 - Jan 4 by Bloots |
....what is lazier, the journalism, or the "he's not mobile enough" narrative.
I can only assume our fans still think he's the same player he was 7 years ago.
He plainly isn't. |
Not sure why you're getting up arrows, my guess certainly wouldn't be that he become more mobile! Which is key to our system. | | | |
| Kiefer Moore on 15:02 - Jan 4 with 1734 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Kiefer Moore on 11:52 - Jan 4 by StokieBlue |
I think it's more about the system of striker.
He's not a running focal point like Hirst. He would do well for some Champ club but he's not really what our system needs.
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Exactly this. Like Moore. If we sign him he'll get my support but doesn't fit what we're after particularly well. If its him + a Stansfield type then that's fine. Moore is a good plan B and decent to bring on to hold up the ball (again though McKenna has favoured stretching defences with pace for last 20). | |
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| Kiefer Moore on 11:56 - Jan 11 with 1428 views | BiGDonnie |
| Kiefer Moore on 11:51 - Jan 4 by _clive_baker_ |
Not sure the Sun is the most reliable of sources for football news, but it doesn't surprise me that the top Championship sides are looking at him. That's where he's most likely to end up I would think. I don't understand the negativity towards it as an option from some on here, I would have him in a heartbeat. |
I suggested him months ago and got absolute pelters for it. I can still see it happening. |  |
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| Kiefer Moore on 11:58 - Jan 11 with 1416 views | BloomBlue |
Kiefer's coming home........
Loves the Town does our Kiefer. Always checks our results |  | | |
| Kiefer Moore on 12:12 - Jan 11 with 1338 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Kiefer Moore on 11:56 - Jan 11 by BiGDonnie |
I suggested him months ago and got absolute pelters for it. I can still see it happening. |
.... because for 2 years now, the majority of players we've signed under McKenna have generally followed the same trend. Young, room to grow with a potential sell on value in future. There's then been the odd signing in between those of experience, knowing the division we was in at the time (League 1).
If we sign Moore, it's because we've well and truly hit the panic button. I just cannot for the life of me think why McKenna would see him as a viable option in the system that we play. | |
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| Kiefer Moore on 12:15 - Jan 11 with 1302 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Kiefer Moore on 11:59 - Jan 4 by _clive_baker_ |
Not sure I agree really. He's not the immobile carthorse some are making him out to be. Hirst's movement is fantastic, a real asset and one we'll struggle to replace. He's such intelligent footballer and very natural forward, a big blow that he's injured. I wouldn't put Moore in the same bracket in that respect, but he has the physicality and ability to pin defenders and create for those around him which is what we desperately lack with Freddie. He's a handful, I do quite rate him and think he's unfairly pigeon holed as a bit of a throwback 'big man', when in reality he's more than that.
We need someone who can come in fit and ready to hit the ground running. He's familiar with the club, knows Broadhead and Burns from Wales duty. I don't see too many better alternatives either, everyone seems to be looking for a striker. |
The current set up at Portman Road is nothing like the set up Kiefer experienced, however it would be an advantage that he has a working relationship with two other key players.. |  |
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| Kiefer Moore on 12:28 - Jan 11 with 1231 views | Simonds92 |
| Kiefer Moore on 12:12 - Jan 11 by Kieran_Knows |
.... because for 2 years now, the majority of players we've signed under McKenna have generally followed the same trend. Young, room to grow with a potential sell on value in future. There's then been the odd signing in between those of experience, knowing the division we was in at the time (League 1).
If we sign Moore, it's because we've well and truly hit the panic button. I just cannot for the life of me think why McKenna would see him as a viable option in the system that we play. |
It's not hitting the panic button at all to sign a proven Championship striker. Ultimately whoever we bring in needs to link up play, hold the ball and bring the other 3 attackers in to the game. He might not be the most mobile but he does work off the ball and he scores goals. Watching Jackson we should all be aware that pressing defenders is not the only attribute our strikers need. Watching Freddie we should be aware that we need someone to link the play better and finish the chances we create. | | | |
| Anyway, it's irrelevant because.... on 12:37 - Jan 11 with 1160 views | soupytwist |
| Anyway, it's irrelevant because.... on 12:47 - Jan 4 by Bloots |
...we're gonna sign Derry Scherhant from Hertha Berlin. |
Did you edit his Wikipedia page in a desperate attempt to make this happen?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derry_Scherhant |  | | |
| Kiefer Moore on 12:40 - Jan 11 with 1132 views | NthQldITFC |
| Kiefer Moore on 12:12 - Jan 11 by Kieran_Knows |
.... because for 2 years now, the majority of players we've signed under McKenna have generally followed the same trend. Young, room to grow with a potential sell on value in future. There's then been the odd signing in between those of experience, knowing the division we was in at the time (League 1).
If we sign Moore, it's because we've well and truly hit the panic button. I just cannot for the life of me think why McKenna would see him as a viable option in the system that we play. |
...although I think it's fair to say that there's a bit of a special case here where we'd make a short-term move, even an expensive short-term move, to get in an effective striker for the rest of this season, even if he has no real intrinsic value beyond this promotion push. All the time looking for additional developable options too. |  |
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| Kiefer Moore on 12:41 - Jan 11 with 1121 views | Stewart27 |
| Kiefer Moore on 12:13 - Jan 4 by _clive_baker_ |
He is, he's constantly pinning defenders. His movement is as good as I've seen in a Town forward in literally years, he's frighteningly good. He's such a natural forward in his positioning and decision making. |
Completely agree.
People who don’t apprentice Hirst need to think whether football is the game for them. | | | |
| Kiefer Moore on 12:45 - Jan 11 with 1086 views | GlasgowBlue |
Surely it’s in Leeds and Southampton’s advantage to bid for every available striker we are looking at just to fcuk us over?
They can both afford to buy our targets and bench them. |  |
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| Kiefer Moore on 12:47 - Jan 11 with 1065 views | ChampionsofInnsbruck |
If he came back it would be very interesting to see, given he was the butt of many jokes about "Dino Mick". |  | | |
| Kiefer Moore on 12:48 - Jan 11 with 1057 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Kiefer Moore on 12:12 - Jan 11 by Kieran_Knows |
.... because for 2 years now, the majority of players we've signed under McKenna have generally followed the same trend. Young, room to grow with a potential sell on value in future. There's then been the odd signing in between those of experience, knowing the division we was in at the time (League 1).
If we sign Moore, it's because we've well and truly hit the panic button. I just cannot for the life of me think why McKenna would see him as a viable option in the system that we play. |
"If we sign Moore, it's because we've well and truly hit the panic button"
Or they've realised we have a chance of winning promotion so lets get a striker who might help to do it.
I don't see why he's seen as not fitting our system?, he might not have the engine of Hirst but he can certainly hold the ball up better, can also head a ball which hirst struggles with and has shown he can score goals. If you want the pressing urgency then you get that from the other forward players. |  |
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