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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... 17:55 - Jan 9 with 8742 viewsNthQldITFC

...if there was a slim chance that it would give your kids a bit of hope for the future?

Would you accept that it was morally reprehensible to travel multiple times per year by aircraft for leisure activities?

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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 19:39 - Jan 9 with 1756 viewsSwansea_Blue

Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 19:22 - Jan 9 by Keno

Sorry what you mean by "trivial nonsense like posting on TWTD"

this is really important and vital stuff


I was too flabbergasted to even reply. Were in banhammer territory here, Shirley?

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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 19:39 - Jan 9 with 1758 viewsHerbivore

Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 19:36 - Jan 9 by GlasgowBlue

I'd struggle giving up cheese, although I will try at some point, but I've been meat and fish free since the beginning of August.


Have you tried cashew cheese yet? Kinda Co and I Am Nut OK are both very good. It's not exactly like cheese, more like a firm pâté, but it's delicious. My partner loves cheese but this year she wasn't fussed about getting dairy cheese at Christmas, we just had a cashew cheese cheeseboard.

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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 19:40 - Jan 9 with 1739 viewsHerbivore

Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 19:39 - Jan 9 by Swansea_Blue

I was too flabbergasted to even reply. Were in banhammer territory here, Shirley?


I've been banned for less.

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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 19:40 - Jan 9 with 1737 viewsGlasgowBlue

Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 19:39 - Jan 9 by Herbivore

Have you tried cashew cheese yet? Kinda Co and I Am Nut OK are both very good. It's not exactly like cheese, more like a firm pâté, but it's delicious. My partner loves cheese but this year she wasn't fussed about getting dairy cheese at Christmas, we just had a cashew cheese cheeseboard.


Thanks for the recommendation. I'll give it a go.

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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 19:49 - Jan 9 with 1676 viewsReus30

I don't think anyone has put this yet, but what future?

Whilst it's great Tim for Basingstoke has become a vegan and rides a bike everyday, Terry from Texas is slaughtering a tonne of cows to feed his trailer park of brothers and sisters.

I have given up on holidays and cars and food and hobbies and fun and enjoyment, is that enough to save the planet....

No, I didn't think so.
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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 20:02 - Jan 9 with 1656 viewsgosblue

Forget the future. The world will be here for millions of years. The human race however is unsustainable. 🙈 🙉 🙊
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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 20:08 - Jan 9 with 1635 viewsDanTheMan

Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 18:59 - Jan 9 by Herbivore

People can do without TikTok but then you know as well as I do that the internet is not just used for TikTok. People could do with cutting down their usage of the internet for trivial nonsense like posting on TWTD but the internet is pretty essential to how society functions now. And with sufficient investment it can be powered without having a negative environmental impact. Meat and dairy remains the big elephant in the room. The science is clear that people need to at least drastically cut down on consumption if not stop altogether, but people aren't willing to do it.


An easy way to reduce computer usage that is very high energy usage and is almost entirely pointless.

Get rid of cryptocurrencies.

Energy hungry and solves almost no real problems.

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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 20:14 - Jan 9 with 1625 viewsHerbivore

Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 20:08 - Jan 9 by DanTheMan

An easy way to reduce computer usage that is very high energy usage and is almost entirely pointless.

Get rid of cryptocurrencies.

Energy hungry and solves almost no real problems.


Excellent point. I remember watching something on crypto and the amount of emissions it generates is absurd. I'm sure I saw something about a crypto company reopening a coal mine in the US to generate power for their computers?

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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 20:14 - Jan 9 with 1621 viewsHerbivore

Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 19:49 - Jan 9 by Reus30

I don't think anyone has put this yet, but what future?

Whilst it's great Tim for Basingstoke has become a vegan and rides a bike everyday, Terry from Texas is slaughtering a tonne of cows to feed his trailer park of brothers and sisters.

I have given up on holidays and cars and food and hobbies and fun and enjoyment, is that enough to save the planet....

No, I didn't think so.


Cool, let's just not bother then.

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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 20:17 - Jan 9 with 1618 viewsfactual_blue

Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 20:02 - Jan 9 by gosblue

Forget the future. The world will be here for millions of years. The human race however is unsustainable. 🙈 🙉 🙊


I'm sure you're right. The planet is quite young. Only six thousand years old.

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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 20:25 - Jan 9 with 1579 viewsdickie

Capitalism, consumerism, planned obsolescence... How can the human race make the necessary changes when our goal as a species is growth, continual annual profit margin increases and power? The only way out of the climate crisis I can see is worldwide systemic change away from the capitalist system (which has worked remarkably well for most of the human race for so long). Won't/probably can't happen though.
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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 20:33 - Jan 9 with 1559 viewsHerbivore

Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 20:25 - Jan 9 by dickie

Capitalism, consumerism, planned obsolescence... How can the human race make the necessary changes when our goal as a species is growth, continual annual profit margin increases and power? The only way out of the climate crisis I can see is worldwide systemic change away from the capitalist system (which has worked remarkably well for most of the human race for so long). Won't/probably can't happen though.


This particular form of neoliberal capitalism certainly seems to be completely incompatible with the survival of humankind. Sadly, those who could make the kind of drastic systemic changes we need are those who benefit most from maintaining the status quo.

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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 20:37 - Jan 9 with 1543 viewsGeoffSentence

Yep. I'd like to do it anyway, the only reason i haven't is because I have not been able t persuade wifeSentence to give up a sunny holiday and she needs the car for work.

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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 20:39 - Jan 9 with 1532 viewsDanTheMan

Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 20:14 - Jan 9 by Herbivore

Excellent point. I remember watching something on crypto and the amount of emissions it generates is absurd. I'm sure I saw something about a crypto company reopening a coal mine in the US to generate power for their computers?


Unfortunately, that did actually happen.

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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 21:06 - Jan 9 with 1475 viewsBlueForYou

I do like a nice big steak twice a week, & those five foreign holidays last year were fantastic..!,
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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 21:08 - Jan 9 with 1477 viewsBlueBadger

Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 20:17 - Jan 9 by factual_blue

I'm sure you're right. The planet is quite young. Only six thousand years old.


I heard that one of your sons was an apprentice designer who helped with the project.
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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 21:11 - Jan 9 with 1465 viewsHerbivore

Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 20:39 - Jan 9 by DanTheMan

Unfortunately, that did actually happen.


Yeah, we're all screwed. I'm off for a Philly cheese steak and a short haul flight.

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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 21:17 - Jan 9 with 1459 viewsfactual_blue

Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 21:08 - Jan 9 by BlueBadger

I heard that one of your sons was an apprentice designer who helped with the project.
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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 22:14 - Jan 9 with 1410 viewsFreddies_Ears

The best way to reduce your family's carbon footprint is not to have kids in the first place.
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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 09:27 - Jan 10 with 1255 viewsElephantintheRoom

Not sure that’s many people s motivation in the real world.

I’ve downsized the car and moved to an area I used to go on holiday to twice a year - and I never fly anywhere - but that’s a lifestyle choice rather than a delusional belief that anything I do will have any effect on the world.

People who fly or take multiple holidays whilst believing in global warming are a bit like cat owners belonging to the RSPB

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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 09:34 - Jan 10 with 1246 viewsbaxterbasics

I don't believe my taking a holiday or my choice of car make a jot of difference to my childrens future. I also very much want them to have the choice to drive a car and take holidays when they are grown up.

Why would anyone accept those kinds of sacrifices anyway whilst the rich and powerful will continue enjoying these options, unimpeded, forever?

FYI I fly an average one return plane journey every 3 years, and drive a small well-used Astra.

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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 10:58 - Jan 10 with 1163 viewsNthQldITFC

Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 09:34 - Jan 10 by baxterbasics

I don't believe my taking a holiday or my choice of car make a jot of difference to my childrens future. I also very much want them to have the choice to drive a car and take holidays when they are grown up.

Why would anyone accept those kinds of sacrifices anyway whilst the rich and powerful will continue enjoying these options, unimpeded, forever?

FYI I fly an average one return plane journey every 3 years, and drive a small well-used Astra.


An understandable response, and your last paragraph gives you a relatively small carbon footprint on the face of it.

But do you think that the situation demands that we all ought to be asking this question of ourselves and of everybody around us all the time rather than just saying "What I do won't make any difference?" and carrying on much the same.

The science and the latest data looks absolutely appalling (though not altogether unexpected), and we still as a species are quibbling about what is fair, and "why shouldn't I have the right to do this, that or the other?"

We seem to be just making jokes and squabbling about trivialities when we are facing a ramping up of utter disaster.

Have we just given up some time back? What the fk is the matter with us?

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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 12:13 - Jan 10 with 1113 viewsRyorry

Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 18:59 - Jan 9 by Herbivore

People can do without TikTok but then you know as well as I do that the internet is not just used for TikTok. People could do with cutting down their usage of the internet for trivial nonsense like posting on TWTD but the internet is pretty essential to how society functions now. And with sufficient investment it can be powered without having a negative environmental impact. Meat and dairy remains the big elephant in the room. The science is clear that people need to at least drastically cut down on consumption if not stop altogether, but people aren't willing to do it.


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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 12:17 - Jan 10 with 1084 viewsRyorry

Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 19:40 - Jan 9 by GlasgowBlue

Thanks for the recommendation. I'll give it a go.


Also look up Sheeze, coconut oil based, delicious, and now widely available including in some supermarkets.

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Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 12:22 - Jan 10 with 1061 viewsReus30

Would you give up a holiday and downsize your car... on 10:58 - Jan 10 by NthQldITFC

An understandable response, and your last paragraph gives you a relatively small carbon footprint on the face of it.

But do you think that the situation demands that we all ought to be asking this question of ourselves and of everybody around us all the time rather than just saying "What I do won't make any difference?" and carrying on much the same.

The science and the latest data looks absolutely appalling (though not altogether unexpected), and we still as a species are quibbling about what is fair, and "why shouldn't I have the right to do this, that or the other?"

We seem to be just making jokes and squabbling about trivialities when we are facing a ramping up of utter disaster.

Have we just given up some time back? What the fk is the matter with us?


I have given up. No jokes, no bs, honestly, the boat has gone.

The simple reason being is that the governments, structures and entities that should be combating this, don't even acknowledge it. It's also the same groups leading us, that are also the people wholly responsible for the position where we stand. The ones in power just bending everyone over because they can.

Human kindness has essentially disappeared, the news is just full of rage-bait and nonsense and I just feel as a global society, we have messed up - jokes and quips are all we have now if we can be bothered to do it.

I do my bit, what more can I do *shrugs*. Bit too grim and depressing for a football forum I know but it's the truth.
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