| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? 14:40 - Feb 8 with 5516 views | unstableblue |
I know this has already been discussed in part.
But listening the Blue Monday pod with the EFL ‘expert’ Gaby, he seemed to suggest that Ali’s success at Wimbledon related to playing off another striker, indeed a striker who’s form and hard work were instrumental to Ali’s form.
Now of course Ali is probably not meant to be a starter for some time.. maybe not even this season. He’s a future investment. But it must be tempting McKenna to get both on the pitch to increase our threat. Which has hampered us of late.
Would it be Chaplin and the number ten role that is the casualty? So more a 4-2-4… with Sarmiento/Broadhead and Burns/Hutchison out wide. Albeit on the left the wide attacker tends to come in a little to allow Davis to go wide. Clarke deeper on the other side.
Going to be interesting.
Massive noise and support for Moore Saturday… a home goal for him would be superb. |  |
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| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 14:44 - Feb 8 with 4342 views | itfcjoe |
We can't change shape because then have nothing in reserve up front, we have recruited to play 1 up top |  |
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| No, Moore plays 70 mins.... on 14:49 - Feb 8 with 4291 views | Bloots |
...AAH comes on to finish, or KJ if the style dictates it.
If we are really desperate (like PNE) we may play 2 up front in the last knockings.
We won't complicate it. |  |
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| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 14:51 - Feb 8 with 4281 views | HighgateBlue |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 14:44 - Feb 8 by itfcjoe |
We can't change shape because then have nothing in reserve up front, we have recruited to play 1 up top |
We had them both on the pitch at the weekend, and it's fair to say it didn't go too badly. I would see Ali coming on for the last 20 or 30 minutes in the event that we are behind and chasing the game. Unlikely of course, we never go behind, do we!? :)
In fairness to KMac, although all of our January recruitment gossip and obsession as fans proceeded on the basis of us sticking rigidly to our current shape, KMac did say when we recruited Ali or Moore (can't recall exactly when) that he wants a range of different attacking options and approaches, and so I think he is more flexible maybe than some give him credit for. If we need to go to 4-4-2 on occasion for periods, that can work, especially in conjunction with a more direct approach once the opposition is tired towards the end of a game if we need a goal. |  | | |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 14:55 - Feb 8 with 4245 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 14:44 - Feb 8 by itfcjoe |
We can't change shape because then have nothing in reserve up front, we have recruited to play 1 up top |
Depends who needed to go off
If Ali then Jackson would work with moore
Even chappers or broady could work with more |  |
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| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 15:11 - Feb 8 with 4159 views | homer_123 |
I would suggest that we'll keep very much to the approach we have had since KM has joined.
What these two (along with the existing squad) do offer - is possibly a little bit more variety and expansion to do things differently but I cannot see KM changing things that drastically from the off.
The work involved in moving to a front two in terms of our approach and play would require more than 1 or 2 training sessions. |  |
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| No, Moore plays 70 mins.... on 15:15 - Feb 8 with 4144 views | NthQldITFC |
| No, Moore plays 70 mins.... on 14:49 - Feb 8 by Bloots |
...AAH comes on to finish, or KJ if the style dictates it.
If we are really desperate (like PNE) we may play 2 up front in the last knockings.
We won't complicate it. |
With the commonly held wisdom that Moore doesn't have the engine of Hirst, then the Moore > Al Hamadi swap could come at 55/60 minutes. I know it's small evidence so far, but the highlights reel of Al Hamadi plus his little cameo last weekend suggest to me that the step 'down' from Moore to AAH won't be quite the step down it has been from Hirst to A N Other. |  |
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| OK, I'll go for 64th min on Saturday. (n/t) on 15:18 - Feb 8 with 4114 views | Bloots |
| No, Moore plays 70 mins.... on 15:15 - Feb 8 by NthQldITFC |
With the commonly held wisdom that Moore doesn't have the engine of Hirst, then the Moore > Al Hamadi swap could come at 55/60 minutes. I know it's small evidence so far, but the highlights reel of Al Hamadi plus his little cameo last weekend suggest to me that the step 'down' from Moore to AAH won't be quite the step down it has been from Hirst to A N Other. |
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| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 15:29 - Feb 8 with 4072 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 14:44 - Feb 8 by itfcjoe |
We can't change shape because then have nothing in reserve up front, we have recruited to play 1 up top |
Do you think he's going to bring Moore off in games? I can't see it personally, unless we are a couple of goals ahead. I don't think we are going to expect him to get through the level/type of work Hirst does and he's just someone you want on the pitch given his aerial prowess, especially later in games if we need a goal. I could see Al-Hamadi coming on and playing with him/off him in the 10 more than replacing him after 65/70. [Post edited 8 Feb 15:30]
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| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 15:43 - Feb 8 with 3987 views | NthQldITFC |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 15:29 - Feb 8 by tractorboy1978 |
Do you think he's going to bring Moore off in games? I can't see it personally, unless we are a couple of goals ahead. I don't think we are going to expect him to get through the level/type of work Hirst does and he's just someone you want on the pitch given his aerial prowess, especially later in games if we need a goal. I could see Al-Hamadi coming on and playing with him/off him in the 10 more than replacing him after 65/70. [Post edited 8 Feb 15:30]
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You can't burn him out though. Al Hamadi might not have the hold up play of Moore/Hirst, but by the gods, he looks like he can run tired CBs ragged and tear them about creating space for the finishers in the supporting forwards roles. I can see Hutchinson, for example, coming inside a bit and working really well off AAH.
Maybe there'll be games where we play the two together (maybe with AAH in Chaplin's role though) and maybe sometimes we'll start AAH or Jackson , but I think we'll stick to the format pretty much for most of our remaining games - the whole structure is just so well tuned. [Post edited 8 Feb 15:45]
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| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 16:02 - Feb 8 with 3897 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 15:43 - Feb 8 by NthQldITFC |
You can't burn him out though. Al Hamadi might not have the hold up play of Moore/Hirst, but by the gods, he looks like he can run tired CBs ragged and tear them about creating space for the finishers in the supporting forwards roles. I can see Hutchinson, for example, coming inside a bit and working really well off AAH.
Maybe there'll be games where we play the two together (maybe with AAH in Chaplin's role though) and maybe sometimes we'll start AAH or Jackson , but I think we'll stick to the format pretty much for most of our remaining games - the whole structure is just so well tuned. [Post edited 8 Feb 15:45]
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It's going to be a brave decision to hook Moore after 65/70 mins if we are in a very tight game - as I'd imagine most of them will be. You look at that game on Saturday and they just couldn't handle him. He brings such a unique threat and absolutely transformed the game. [Post edited 8 Feb 16:03]
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| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 16:11 - Feb 8 with 3814 views | Mookamoo |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 16:02 - Feb 8 by tractorboy1978 |
It's going to be a brave decision to hook Moore after 65/70 mins if we are in a very tight game - as I'd imagine most of them will be. You look at that game on Saturday and they just couldn't handle him. He brings such a unique threat and absolutely transformed the game. [Post edited 8 Feb 16:03]
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There is a danger we'll flog Moore like an old donkey thinking he is Plan A and also the Plan B if we need to chase a game.
Ali seems a smart enough player to adapt if Moore is there or not. |  | | |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 16:48 - Feb 8 with 3676 views | chicoazul |
No idea why some fans think it’s a good idea to change the system that has made us one of the best teams in the league. |  |
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| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 17:09 - Feb 8 with 3606 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 16:48 - Feb 8 by chicoazul |
No idea why some fans think it’s a good idea to change the system that has made us one of the best teams in the league. |
Possibly because we have 1 win in 10 and have 10s off form. | |
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| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 17:43 - Feb 8 with 3539 views | USA |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 16:48 - Feb 8 by chicoazul |
No idea why some fans think it’s a good idea to change the system that has made us one of the best teams in the league. |
McKenna has said we need to find a different way when it’s not working. And it hasn’t worked in every game. | | | |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 18:16 - Feb 8 with 3421 views | Dubtractor |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 17:09 - Feb 8 by FrimleyBlue |
Possibly because we have 1 win in 10 and have 10s off form. |
1 win in 10?
It's either 1 in 8, or 2 in 10.
But regardless, we've brought in the new players to help improve results playing the system that has served us well for 18 months.
A change of formation might have been a fair shout if we'd been unable to strengthen. |  |
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| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 18:23 - Feb 8 with 3386 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 18:16 - Feb 8 by Dubtractor |
1 win in 10?
It's either 1 in 8, or 2 in 10.
But regardless, we've brought in the new players to help improve results playing the system that has served us well for 18 months.
A change of formation might have been a fair shout if we'd been unable to strengthen. |
Well not really Coz we didn't even have 2 strikers to do it with lol.
But no. I don't think KM will change it tbh. Just replying to chico on why some people may think about a change.
You're.right tho. Its 2 in 10 | |
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| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 18:33 - Feb 8 with 3351 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 17:09 - Feb 8 by FrimleyBlue |
Possibly because we have 1 win in 10 and have 10s off form. |
Our recent drop in form has largely been due to suspension, injury, illness and absenteeism. Not the formation. |  |
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| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 18:39 - Feb 8 with 3327 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 18:33 - Feb 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Our recent drop in form has largely been due to suspension, injury, illness and absenteeism. Not the formation. |
Suspension? | |
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| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 20:21 - Feb 8 with 3160 views | cressi |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 16:11 - Feb 8 by Mookamoo |
There is a danger we'll flog Moore like an old donkey thinking he is Plan A and also the Plan B if we need to chase a game.
Ali seems a smart enough player to adapt if Moore is there or not. |
Flog like a donkey Jesus there are 17 league games to go on a pitch like Wembley. Mariner Brazil and co played 70 so games at the top-level on pitches that had more sand than Clacton plus only one sub in the day. | | | |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 22:36 - Feb 8 with 3019 views | ITFC1977 |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 20:21 - Feb 8 by cressi |
Flog like a donkey Jesus there are 17 league games to go on a pitch like Wembley. Mariner Brazil and co played 70 so games at the top-level on pitches that had more sand than Clacton plus only one sub in the day. |
Mariner and Brazil wouldn’t last 45 minutes at the pace the games are played at now. Not knocking their obvious quality but to use that as a comparison is ludicrous. | | | |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 07:51 - Feb 9 with 2774 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 14:44 - Feb 8 by itfcjoe |
We can't change shape because then have nothing in reserve up front, we have recruited to play 1 up top |
We have Jacko! |  |
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| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 08:14 - Feb 9 with 2740 views | PioneerBlue |
I’m not seeing it other than in an alternative way of addressing certain game states.
I’m more focused on how we develop our play from GK because this has been busted a few times recently and the risk reward calculation hasn’t been as fruitful as required, plus there is the fall away of goals scored and increase in goals conceded which hopefully we have now addressed through strikers, forwards, Burgess returning and Morsy ban free for now! | |
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| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 08:16 - Feb 9 with 2729 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 08:14 - Feb 9 by PioneerBlue |
I’m not seeing it other than in an alternative way of addressing certain game states.
I’m more focused on how we develop our play from GK because this has been busted a few times recently and the risk reward calculation hasn’t been as fruitful as required, plus there is the fall away of goals scored and increase in goals conceded which hopefully we have now addressed through strikers, forwards, Burgess returning and Morsy ban free for now! |
Tell morsy to speed up
Recently he's been showing Douglas level turning skills.
It's slow. Ponderous and has got us into trouble. | |
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| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 08:51 - Feb 9 with 2680 views | itfcjoe |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 08:14 - Feb 9 by PioneerBlue |
I’m not seeing it other than in an alternative way of addressing certain game states.
I’m more focused on how we develop our play from GK because this has been busted a few times recently and the risk reward calculation hasn’t been as fruitful as required, plus there is the fall away of goals scored and increase in goals conceded which hopefully we have now addressed through strikers, forwards, Burgess returning and Morsy ban free for now! |
Having Moore/Ali will make a big difference - whoever we've played lately has known they can press the life out of the first receivers because there was no option to clip the ball over their head and make it stick.
Now if they want to go man for man in the press we clip it to Moore and we go from there and take half their team out of the game | |
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| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 08:59 - Feb 9 with 2646 views | baxterbasics |
| Do we change shape to accommodate Moore and Ali?? on 17:43 - Feb 8 by USA |
McKenna has said we need to find a different way when it’s not working. And it hasn’t worked in every game. |
I think a few of the more versatile teams have got better at countering/ neutralising our setup as the season has progressed. I won't go as far as to say "we've been found out" but I think it is helpful that KM has a few more tools in his kit now. |  |
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