| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 22:44 - May 30 with 4399 views | davblue |
Yeah I think so.
Terrible mess that country has got itself into. |  | |  |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 22:49 - May 30 with 4385 views | Trequartista |
Surely the voters in the middle ground will decide the result, and unlike the fervent maga voters, they won't be so happy voting for a convicted criminal? [Post edited 30 May 2024 22:50]
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| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 22:52 - May 30 with 4362 views | davblue |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 22:49 - May 30 by Trequartista |
Surely the voters in the middle ground will decide the result, and unlike the fervent maga voters, they won't be so happy voting for a convicted criminal? [Post edited 30 May 2024 22:50]
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Yeah but how will they make America great again? | | | |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 22:56 - May 30 with 4320 views | BasingstokeBlue |
I didn't think so. But I'm no expert on the Constitution that they hold so dear. We have some American supporters on here so I would welcome their opimions. |  |
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| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 22:57 - May 30 with 4296 views | BasingstokeBlue |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 22:52 - May 30 by davblue |
Yeah but how will they make America great again? |
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| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 23:35 - May 30 with 4217 views | fab_lover |
Yes. In fact, this has probably secured his next term in office.
There's an incredible cognitive dissonance within a large proportion of the American electorate. Trump, who inherited great wealth rather than creating any, is somehow seen as "a man of the people". Trump, who has shown himself time and again to be self-serving, corrupt, venial, is somehow, for those voters, on the side of the angels.
This is a controversial statement, but America could be seen as a failed experiment in multi-culturalism. A nation of immigrants, people whose great-grandfathers were born there still describing themselves as Irish / Polish etc. Deep racial divisions that have never healed. Poverty being seen as a sign of failure, not as the result of failed social policies. Violence, shootings every day, whereas other countries with as many guns fail to have this problem, which despite shooting after shooting they fail to address, regardless of who is in power.
Any country that elects someone like Trump not just once, but twice, is a country on the brink of...what, I dread to think.
All I know is that if it's like last time, that's 4 years of me waking up in the morning wondering what the f_ that maniac has done now. The most powerful man in the world.
God save us all. |  | | |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 23:44 - May 30 with 4179 views | PhilTWTD |
You'd like to think not. He has to appeal to independents and this isn't going to help. Despite the polls being close, even Republicans evidently aren't all sold on him, Nikki Haley has still been getting decent percentages in primaries even though she pulled out of the race a while back. |  | | |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 23:57 - May 30 with 4116 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 22:44 - May 30 by davblue |
Yeah I think so.
Terrible mess that country has got itself into. |
The country is an absolute basket case. 350m population and two stupid old fools to vote for ?
Absolutely nuts.
Oh and yes, of course he will get voted in - unfortunately by a blooming landslide.
Edited after correction [Post edited 31 May 2024 9:06]
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| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 00:35 - May 31 with 4037 views | FromIpswichToPhoenix |
I live in Arizona. This won't sway the hard right. Hell, this plays right into his hands. He has half the country conned that for whatever reason, they think he is our saviour. If he wins, we're effed and our democracy will be over. This will be a revenge tour and nothing more. He called democrats Human Scum yesterday. I think that says all you need to hear.
Seriously thinking about my options. The religious right has gone insane over here. My daughter has come out as gay and I don't know how safe she will be as more of the hardcore Christians take over. This isn't the America I moved to in the 90's. |  |
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| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 01:15 - May 31 with 3978 views | floridablue |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 22:56 - May 30 by BasingstokeBlue |
I didn't think so. But I'm no expert on the Constitution that they hold so dear. We have some American supporters on here so I would welcome their opimions. |
If he's able to run come November, in my opinion I think he will win. I try to stay out of any political debates/discussions, but very much a divided country at the moment and just like what I read about the UK, illegal migration is very much at the top of the agenda! |  | | |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 01:23 - May 31 with 3953 views | Illinoisblue |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 23:35 - May 30 by fab_lover |
Yes. In fact, this has probably secured his next term in office.
There's an incredible cognitive dissonance within a large proportion of the American electorate. Trump, who inherited great wealth rather than creating any, is somehow seen as "a man of the people". Trump, who has shown himself time and again to be self-serving, corrupt, venial, is somehow, for those voters, on the side of the angels.
This is a controversial statement, but America could be seen as a failed experiment in multi-culturalism. A nation of immigrants, people whose great-grandfathers were born there still describing themselves as Irish / Polish etc. Deep racial divisions that have never healed. Poverty being seen as a sign of failure, not as the result of failed social policies. Violence, shootings every day, whereas other countries with as many guns fail to have this problem, which despite shooting after shooting they fail to address, regardless of who is in power.
Any country that elects someone like Trump not just once, but twice, is a country on the brink of...what, I dread to think.
All I know is that if it's like last time, that's 4 years of me waking up in the morning wondering what the f_ that maniac has done now. The most powerful man in the world.
God save us all. |
It is fascinating and frightening how easily poor people with nothing look up to a billionaire fraudster con artist psychopath. And as you say, his “success” is directly from inheriting his racist dad’s property empire.
He could just roll off into the sunset playing golf and banging whores every day but instead he’s going to spend his last days on earth either in prison or in a court fighting to stay out of prison. |  |
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| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 02:30 - May 31 with 3863 views | wkj |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 01:23 - May 31 by Illinoisblue |
It is fascinating and frightening how easily poor people with nothing look up to a billionaire fraudster con artist psychopath. And as you say, his “success” is directly from inheriting his racist dad’s property empire.
He could just roll off into the sunset playing golf and banging whores every day but instead he’s going to spend his last days on earth either in prison or in a court fighting to stay out of prison. |
I think it's funny how the GOP is all about law and order - of course, they all say its a sham trial etc |  |
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| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 03:45 - May 31 with 3812 views | tcblue |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 01:23 - May 31 by Illinoisblue |
It is fascinating and frightening how easily poor people with nothing look up to a billionaire fraudster con artist psychopath. And as you say, his “success” is directly from inheriting his racist dad’s property empire.
He could just roll off into the sunset playing golf and banging whores every day but instead he’s going to spend his last days on earth either in prison or in a court fighting to stay out of prison. |
They're not poor, they're temporarily embarrassed millionaires | | | |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 04:24 - May 31 with 3791 views | ipswichoracle |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 23:35 - May 30 by fab_lover |
Yes. In fact, this has probably secured his next term in office.
There's an incredible cognitive dissonance within a large proportion of the American electorate. Trump, who inherited great wealth rather than creating any, is somehow seen as "a man of the people". Trump, who has shown himself time and again to be self-serving, corrupt, venial, is somehow, for those voters, on the side of the angels.
This is a controversial statement, but America could be seen as a failed experiment in multi-culturalism. A nation of immigrants, people whose great-grandfathers were born there still describing themselves as Irish / Polish etc. Deep racial divisions that have never healed. Poverty being seen as a sign of failure, not as the result of failed social policies. Violence, shootings every day, whereas other countries with as many guns fail to have this problem, which despite shooting after shooting they fail to address, regardless of who is in power.
Any country that elects someone like Trump not just once, but twice, is a country on the brink of...what, I dread to think.
All I know is that if it's like last time, that's 4 years of me waking up in the morning wondering what the f_ that maniac has done now. The most powerful man in the world.
God save us all. |
I think this is largely untrue, and I’m not saying this is what you’re doing, but it’s a narrative spun bt both doomsayers and some on the far right to stop democrats from voting by making them feel like there’s no point.
Let’s boil this down a little to what the reality is. Can he win? Yes, certainly. Will he? Probably not.
Without making this really long, look at the downticket elections that have been occurring periodically since Roe v Wade was overturned. As a result of that, democrats on avg have been massively overperforming projections in almost every race. That one demographic, women, are galvanised and organised like no election cycle.
Another point worth mentioning here, Trump has largely underperformed Biden when it comes to fundraising, and when Trump is raising money, it’s going to his significant legal bills - I forget the exact stat, but as a result of this, the Biden campaign has built a formidable field office army, and Trump has almost nothing on that front - if you think this, right here, is insignificant then I have an oceanfront property for you in Kansas.
The repubs internal polling is forecasting a 7-8% drop off if he’s convicted, they can’t afford any drop off, the Trump base isn’t growing, it’s barely clinging to life, it’s just extraordinarily vocal and the media gives an absurd amount of coverage to Trump.
Essentially, you can boil this down to this. If the democrats can stay focused, if they can turn out the vote like before, then they win this. |  | | |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 06:31 - May 31 with 3668 views | iamatractorboy |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 22:44 - May 30 by davblue |
Yeah I think so.
Terrible mess that country has got itself into. |
I assume it'll boil down to that handful of swing states once again. Biden will win the popular vote comfortably (i e in a proper democracy he would just win straight up) but if Trump can get those 4 or 5 states to vote for him then I think he can do it. Completely insane but a sign of the times. | | | |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 07:10 - May 31 with 3580 views | Herbivore |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 23:35 - May 30 by fab_lover |
Yes. In fact, this has probably secured his next term in office.
There's an incredible cognitive dissonance within a large proportion of the American electorate. Trump, who inherited great wealth rather than creating any, is somehow seen as "a man of the people". Trump, who has shown himself time and again to be self-serving, corrupt, venial, is somehow, for those voters, on the side of the angels.
This is a controversial statement, but America could be seen as a failed experiment in multi-culturalism. A nation of immigrants, people whose great-grandfathers were born there still describing themselves as Irish / Polish etc. Deep racial divisions that have never healed. Poverty being seen as a sign of failure, not as the result of failed social policies. Violence, shootings every day, whereas other countries with as many guns fail to have this problem, which despite shooting after shooting they fail to address, regardless of who is in power.
Any country that elects someone like Trump not just once, but twice, is a country on the brink of...what, I dread to think.
All I know is that if it's like last time, that's 4 years of me waking up in the morning wondering what the f_ that maniac has done now. The most powerful man in the world.
God save us all. |
I'd say it represents the failure of neoliberal capitalism rather than multiculturalism, but either way it's a car crash right now. |  |
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| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 07:17 - May 31 with 3562 views | Herbivore |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 01:15 - May 31 by floridablue |
If he's able to run come November, in my opinion I think he will win. I try to stay out of any political debates/discussions, but very much a divided country at the moment and just like what I read about the UK, illegal migration is very much at the top of the agenda! |
It's an incredible feat from the right wing in both the US and UK to pull the old 'look at those foreigners trying to steal from you' trick whilst simultaneously pillaging the country themselves. Illegal migration is not a major contributor to things like crumbling infrastructure, growing inequality between rich and poor, climate change, slow economic growth, and increasing national debt. All these things can be directly traced to governments being beholden to a neoliberal capitalist system that has long since been demonstrably unfit to solve the challenges the world faces (indeed it exacerbates many of them) and the interests of wealthy individuals and organisations who are the only one served by such a system. But yeah, let's blame people fleeing war and persecution instead. | |
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| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 07:34 - May 31 with 3474 views | NthQldITFC |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 07:10 - May 31 by Herbivore |
I'd say it represents the failure of neoliberal capitalism rather than multiculturalism, but either way it's a car crash right now. |
I'd say it's that, but on a deeper level it's the country at the tip of the failure of a species' reflective and self-protective soul to maintain control over its irresponsible, blindly self-destructive ego under the pressure of its own cleverness and inventiveness, and desire for 'bling'.
It looks terminal for the US and the rest of the planet, because there doesn't seem to be any desire, on a meaningful scale, to wake up.
Doom and gloom? Maybe. Realism? Very probably - and better than pretence if it's still not too late.. |  |
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| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 08:11 - May 31 with 3384 views | Guthrum |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 23:44 - May 30 by PhilTWTD |
You'd like to think not. He has to appeal to independents and this isn't going to help. Despite the polls being close, even Republicans evidently aren't all sold on him, Nikki Haley has still been getting decent percentages in primaries even though she pulled out of the race a while back. |
Altho polarisation in US politics has squeezed that margin of floating voters, which has always been far smaller than we get in Britain. Plus the Electoral College system means the outcome can go counter to the popular vote (as in 2016). |  |
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| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 08:18 - May 31 with 3353 views | Mullet |
It baffles me he'd even be eligible to stand now. At least the criminals we've had in government haven't been convicted yet.
https://www.tortoisemedia.com/audio/word-for-word-trump-on-trial/
That's been a series which has covered the trial really well. As others have said, the fact he's worshipped for being exactly what he's not by so many is a cautionary tale in itself. Farage being his parasite makes total sense.
My feeling is that he won't get elected, but it will cause one hell of a noise and lead to more violence. The knock on effects for us and other countries is concerning though. |  |
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| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 08:18 - May 31 with 3351 views | Herbivore |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 07:34 - May 31 by NthQldITFC |
I'd say it's that, but on a deeper level it's the country at the tip of the failure of a species' reflective and self-protective soul to maintain control over its irresponsible, blindly self-destructive ego under the pressure of its own cleverness and inventiveness, and desire for 'bling'.
It looks terminal for the US and the rest of the planet, because there doesn't seem to be any desire, on a meaningful scale, to wake up.
Doom and gloom? Maybe. Realism? Very probably - and better than pretence if it's still not too late.. |
Agreed, though a lot of the traits you describe are encouraged by a neoliberal capitalist system that prizes competition, selfishness, and short term gain over pretty much everything else. | |
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| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 08:23 - May 31 with 3324 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 07:17 - May 31 by Herbivore |
It's an incredible feat from the right wing in both the US and UK to pull the old 'look at those foreigners trying to steal from you' trick whilst simultaneously pillaging the country themselves. Illegal migration is not a major contributor to things like crumbling infrastructure, growing inequality between rich and poor, climate change, slow economic growth, and increasing national debt. All these things can be directly traced to governments being beholden to a neoliberal capitalist system that has long since been demonstrably unfit to solve the challenges the world faces (indeed it exacerbates many of them) and the interests of wealthy individuals and organisations who are the only one served by such a system. But yeah, let's blame people fleeing war and persecution instead. |
Sticking with the uk for a moment, I just wish the Labour Party would make the case for the positives immigration brings to the country. And it’s not just the current leader. Go back to Ed Milliband and his “controls on immigration” mugs.
As well as the cultural benefits immigration brings to the country, migrants are net contributors to the economy. No one ever stands up and makes this case. They seem terrified of the noisy bigoted minority. |  |
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| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 08:25 - May 31 with 3298 views | itfcjoe |
He's a dangerous man, his rhetoric sounds like someone calling for a civil war |  |
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| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 08:27 - May 31 with 3262 views | Herbivore |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 08:23 - May 31 by GlasgowBlue |
Sticking with the uk for a moment, I just wish the Labour Party would make the case for the positives immigration brings to the country. And it’s not just the current leader. Go back to Ed Milliband and his “controls on immigration” mugs.
As well as the cultural benefits immigration brings to the country, migrants are net contributors to the economy. No one ever stands up and makes this case. They seem terrified of the noisy bigoted minority. |
The right wing media would destroy them if they said anything pro immigration. The narrative that immigration is a bad thing is too strong, it's been allowed to be pushed and peddled for far too long without anyone challenging it and I'm not sure how easily the narrative can be changed at this point. If we had a better press who were willing to deal in facts rather than propaganda that would certainly help to improve the level of political discourse in this country but we basically have a load of utter dross instead. | |
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| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 08:32 - May 31 with 3233 views | NthQldITFC |
| Will America elect a criminal as President? on 08:18 - May 31 by Herbivore |
Agreed, though a lot of the traits you describe are encouraged by a neoliberal capitalist system that prizes competition, selfishness, and short term gain over pretty much everything else. |
Yes. Those traits are what give oxygen  to the neoliberal capitalist system, which is therefore designed to encourage those same traits. It's quite obviously suicidal on a societal scale (and in an Emperor's new clothes way) but for some peculiar reason we don't seem to want to recognise our nakedness en masse and wake up. | |
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