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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? 22:14 - Jun 26 with 9501 viewsMelford

If you are paying a few quid more every month but things do actually improve a bit in terms of stuff like, NHS, housing, social care etc. then I think It's a fair trade-off.

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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 22:15 - Jun 26 with 5644 viewscressi

I actually agree.
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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 22:18 - Jun 26 with 5634 viewsVaughan8

I wouldn't mind it going up if it was ringfenced for certain things. But not if it just goes in "the pot"

I remember on the evening of when Liz truss announced ghat budget and these rich/wealthy people were ringing up 5live saying they didn't mind paying the higher taxes.
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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 22:23 - Jun 26 with 5601 viewstonybied

I totally agree with this. Politicians need to be honest, there's no way we can keep taxes low and even keep the same level of public services let alone improve them like really needs to happen.

We need to have a grown up discussion about tax as a nation. I have no problem with more of my money going into the pot if it means councils, police, NHS etc are properly funded and work as expected.
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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 22:37 - Jun 26 with 5562 viewsSitfcB

Yep, I’ve said before I don’t mind paying a little bit more if it means more money gets put into things, but wouldn’t trust the Tories with that anyway.

Starmer would win a lot more people round if he just said yeah, there’s going to be a little bit of a tax rise but it’s going to here, here and here, improving this, this and this. But suppose he doesn’t have to win many round, but would shut that other shouty tw@t up.

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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 22:37 - Jun 26 with 5562 viewsfactual_blue

This government is forgetting to mention they haven't been increasing personal allowances. So you pay more tax.

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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 22:46 - Jun 26 with 5522 viewsBlueForYou

Don’t you think we pay enough already? Aren’t we paying more tax than ever before at present?
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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 22:49 - Jun 26 with 5496 viewsNthQldITFC

No, you're a caring human being, a part of a society, a friend to people who need a little more help than you do, who might well one day help you when you need it.

We're all in this together.

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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 22:50 - Jun 26 with 5491 viewsredrickstuhaart

Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 22:46 - Jun 26 by BlueForYou

Don’t you think we pay enough already? Aren’t we paying more tax than ever before at present?


Yes. But we have a demographic issue that will not go away (unless we encourage huge amounts of immigration...)
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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 22:57 - Jun 26 with 5461 viewsjonbull88

We pay a shed load as it is and a lot is wasted. Just the other day the story broke of all that PPE wasted. Over a billion pounds worth I believe they said. I’d like to see current tax be used morr efficiently and not wasted first before I hand over more tbh. If there was a way of holding governments to account and they prove money goes to where they promise and you can see results then maybe.
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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 22:58 - Jun 26 with 5446 viewsBlueForYou

Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 22:50 - Jun 26 by redrickstuhaart

Yes. But we have a demographic issue that will not go away (unless we encourage huge amounts of immigration...)


I thought that was at record levels at the moment too..??
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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 23:14 - Jun 26 with 5392 viewsredrickstuhaart

Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 22:57 - Jun 26 by jonbull88

We pay a shed load as it is and a lot is wasted. Just the other day the story broke of all that PPE wasted. Over a billion pounds worth I believe they said. I’d like to see current tax be used morr efficiently and not wasted first before I hand over more tbh. If there was a way of holding governments to account and they prove money goes to where they promise and you can see results then maybe.


We would all like that.

Public services need funding properly to be efficient. Cuts are actually counter productive. I see it every day.
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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 23:19 - Jun 26 with 5374 viewsLord_Lucan

I would stomach paying a bit more personal tax but not corporation tax.

Mind you, if you want to raise more money then cut down on waste.

Get a big strong team to analyse waste and you will solve your problems overnight.

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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 23:35 - Jun 26 with 5347 viewsredrickstuhaart

Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 23:19 - Jun 26 by Lord_Lucan

I would stomach paying a bit more personal tax but not corporation tax.

Mind you, if you want to raise more money then cut down on waste.

Get a big strong team to analyse waste and you will solve your problems overnight.

Definite info!


Corporation tax is problematic.

Self employed folk get taxed less than employed folk, if they work their earnings through a company.
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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 23:39 - Jun 26 with 5327 viewsDeano69

Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 23:35 - Jun 26 by redrickstuhaart

Corporation tax is problematic.

Self employed folk get taxed less than employed folk, if they work their earnings through a company.


Not quite as straightforward as that

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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 23:43 - Jun 26 with 5314 viewsredrickstuhaart

Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 23:39 - Jun 26 by Deano69

Not quite as straightforward as that


Nothing ever is.

But fundamentally, it is true.
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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 23:46 - Jun 26 with 5279 viewsDeano69

Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 23:43 - Jun 26 by redrickstuhaart

Nothing ever is.

But fundamentally, it is true.


Having run businesses and been self employed for nearly 30 years I would say it’s not as clear cut as that.

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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 00:08 - Jun 27 with 5236 viewsJ2BLUE

We should never have had the national insurance cut.

That money could have been far better spent elsewhere.

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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 00:19 - Jun 27 with 5225 viewsbaxterbasics

They have been going up.

The problem is the politicians and the machinery that works for them are grossly inefficient and always hungry for more.

Thinking that they will actually do much good with it is the naive part.

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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 00:51 - Jun 27 with 5162 viewsRyorry

Have said before that I wouldn't mind at all, esp since in my case it'd work out a helluva lot cheaper than having had to fork out £1K in the first 6 months of the year just for basic, essential dentistry via a private practice because there's no place on any NHS list within 20 miles.

Not to mention NHS podiatry no longer bing available for routine treatment like cutting back corns - you're expected to go private for that in this area.

Others can probably point to similar in their lives - having to pay for car repairs or insurance increases because of pothole damage; having to pay private carers for family members because no Home Help service is avavailable etc.

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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 06:07 - Jun 27 with 5005 viewsBuhrer

The Tories raped the country dry and given billions of public money to their chums.

Sure, it's totally reasonable all proles now pay more to desperately maintain some standards.

Totally fair trade off.

Great thinking, thanks for sharing.
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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 06:57 - Jun 27 with 4906 viewsChurchman

Not naive at all. Just society minded as opposed to the ‘look after number one’ principle the Tories hold so dear. My basic un costed stab would be broadly to do a few things.

1. Increase the tax threshold to £15,000.
2. Increase Income Tax by 2% across the board. That’d mean to somebody earning £45k an increase of £50pm. If you have to tax people, which you of course do if you want public services, progressive income tax is the fairest way of doing it. Those who have the most pay more.
3. I’d employ numbers of tax inspectors to pre Austerity levels and go after those who avoid tax. Why should the wealthiest pay on average 10% when everyone else pays 20%, 40% etc?

I’d also enlarge the teams that go after criminals by taking their assets off them. This is literally 10s of £ millions, but the tories deemed serious crime as not a government priority (CS headcount cut has been no 1 priority) so the teams have been disbanded/cut to the bone.

What I wouldn’t do is a Denis Healey and go mad on high rate tax percentages. While morally it sits ok with me it doesn’t bring any money in. I’d also stop raiding pensions. In the long term it’s self defeating.

Just a few basic thoughts. It’s the Treasury/HMRCs job, when the government allows, to work out what works what doesn’t. It’s where Truss and her fellow idiot went wrong.

There’s much I’d like to see done in terms of how money is managed from the top down and much more besides.

I’m rambling on, but the basic principle applies: if you want public services, you have to pay for them. If you have too much money to care about such things, you still live in this society, will still expect the fire brigade to turn up if your mansion catches fire so you pay.
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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 07:40 - Jun 27 with 4795 viewsnodge_blue

I don’t mind high taxes as long as they get spent well and we see an improvement in public services.i think I’m right in saying that right now, when you take tax as a whole, income tax, ni, vat, capital gains and council that it’s already at an all time high.

Some of the solutions have to be found in efficiency and procurement.

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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 07:44 - Jun 27 with 4777 viewsTractorWood

Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 07:40 - Jun 27 by nodge_blue

I don’t mind high taxes as long as they get spent well and we see an improvement in public services.i think I’m right in saying that right now, when you take tax as a whole, income tax, ni, vat, capital gains and council that it’s already at an all time high.

Some of the solutions have to be found in efficiency and procurement.


At some point we have to point to poor spending and value for money. To think more investment in isolation will solve any material issues is naive imo.

I know that was then, but it could be again..
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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 08:01 - Jun 27 with 4722 viewsDanTheMan

Yes, although I look at my wife and her tax rate once she becomes qualified will be insane. People don't take into account that the newer student loans have just become another sneaky tax, especially given the likelihood of being actually able to pay it off.

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Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 08:01 - Jun 27 with 4721 viewsSwansea_Blue

Am I naive and stupid to not mind if taxes do go up a bit? on 06:07 - Jun 27 by Buhrer

The Tories raped the country dry and given billions of public money to their chums.

Sure, it's totally reasonable all proles now pay more to desperately maintain some standards.

Totally fair trade off.

Great thinking, thanks for sharing.


And, as ever, the elephant in the room is Brexit, with its impacts on the size of the economy, tax take, investment, and complexity/costs on businesses. Wastage through incompetence and corruption (procurement) and deceit (Brexit) has impacted the amount of money available for public services.

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