| Jack Clarke 08:44 - Jul 2 with 16286 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Just seen that Southampton backed away from a deal for him because of his 18 million valuation*. LW/Left 10 is a position we will 100% be looking at. Not sure Broadhead and his lack of athleticism will cut it, for all his quality on the ball.
Clarke seems perfect for us. Young, English, had time working at an elite club in Spurs. Got such a high ceiling. For 18 million id be all over that.
*Story is from The Sun- so could be a load of nonsense. |  |
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| Jack Clarke on 08:44 - Jul 2 with 12126 views | victorysquad |
agree, seems like a bargain at £18m |  |
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| Jack Clarke on 08:53 - Jul 2 with 11973 views | itfcjoe |
Seems a lot of money for him, bearing in mind he's gone to the PL before and made no impact as that will reduce any potential sell ons.
I do like him as a player but would prefer to go for a Sarmiento or Brereton Diaz for that role |  |
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| Jack Clarke on 08:59 - Jul 2 with 11836 views | tonybied |
I think if we spend more than £15M on a player again it will be for a midfielder or a striker, I can't see us spending that much on another winger/10. |  | | |
| Jack Clarke on 09:08 - Jul 2 with 11658 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Jack Clarke on 08:53 - Jul 2 by itfcjoe |
Seems a lot of money for him, bearing in mind he's gone to the PL before and made no impact as that will reduce any potential sell ons.
I do like him as a player but would prefer to go for a Sarmiento or Brereton Diaz for that role |
He was an 18/19 year old when he got that move to a club that was probably slightly above his level. Having followed his career pretty closely I think he is a far far better player now then he was then. I also think his ability to score from outside the box is something that would be a huge asset for us given that we are going to need more moments of individual brilliance in games where we are under the cosh/not having much of the ball.
Sarmiento, the jury is still out on imo. Love the guy and he undoubtedly made great strides at the back end of last season off the bench. But I'm not sure he had a single good performance when he started a game last season .
BBD i really like. Would be a great piece of business. versatile as well. [Post edited 2 Jul 2024 9:12]
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| Jack Clarke on 09:19 - Jul 2 with 11377 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Jack Clarke on 08:44 - Jul 2 by victorysquad |
agree, seems like a bargain at £18m |
I wouldn’t be adverse to the idea but to suggest he’s a “bargain” at that price is a little stretchy |  |
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| Jack Clarke on 09:30 - Jul 2 with 11199 views | Churchman |
| Jack Clarke on 08:59 - Jul 2 by tonybied |
I think if we spend more than £15M on a player again it will be for a midfielder or a striker, I can't see us spending that much on another winger/10. |
Good player Clarke. £18m good? I don’t think so. He’d be a great acquisition, but we have other priorities. Keeper, CH, CF and a midfielder. Whatever budget we have left should be prioritised on them. |  | | |
| Jack Clarke on 09:40 - Jul 2 with 11035 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Jack Clarke on 09:30 - Jul 2 by Churchman |
Good player Clarke. £18m good? I don’t think so. He’d be a great acquisition, but we have other priorities. Keeper, CH, CF and a midfielder. Whatever budget we have left should be prioritised on them. |
I think he is an 18 million pound player tbh. Would have hit 20 goals and probably 6/7 assists from the wing had it not been for Injury last season and he is 23. That's very impressive.
Whether we should pay the money is a different and fair question. You make a fair point regarding positions to prioritise. Cm the main one. But I also think right now that LW needs an upgrade. [Post edited 2 Jul 2024 9:55]
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| Jack Clarke on 09:52 - Jul 2 with 10855 views | topguy |
Not for me as last season showed hes started well but teams figured him out quite quick and then he became less effective, it was cut inside have a pop and everyone knew stop him doing that hes out the game, as it was shown to be true, so teams marked him closer or doubled up on him, id agree with sarmento his running and close control will be important in getting us up the pitch something in the PL we will need. | | | |
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| Jack Clarke on 10:04 - Jul 2 with 10642 views | Churchman |
| Jack Clarke on 09:40 - Jul 2 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I think he is an 18 million pound player tbh. Would have hit 20 goals and probably 6/7 assists from the wing had it not been for Injury last season and he is 23. That's very impressive.
Whether we should pay the money is a different and fair question. You make a fair point regarding positions to prioritise. Cm the main one. But I also think right now that LW needs an upgrade. [Post edited 2 Jul 2024 9:55]
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I don’t venture on to the Sunderland forum often, but I gather from a couple of mackem chums that his form tapered off last season, as did the team. Rightly or wrongly they questioned his attitude (but not his ability).
Assessing a player’s value is Impossible and not knowing anything about it my view is very much gut instinct with no real basis whatsoever.
As for LW, I’d leave that alone. I don’t necessarily disagree but I think we need to keep as much of last season’s team as possible while upgrading where we absolutely have to. Team spirit and cohesion are our best chance of making a good go of it. | | | |
| Jack Clarke on 10:15 - Jul 2 with 10464 views | dirtyboy |
| Jack Clarke on 08:59 - Jul 2 by tonybied |
I think if we spend more than £15M on a player again it will be for a midfielder or a striker, I can't see us spending that much on another winger/10. |
Given the importance we place on those positions, wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to see a big fee on the left. |  | | |
| Jack Clarke on 10:16 - Jul 2 with 10445 views | Kieran_Knows |
Think he's a good player who would be a really good fit for the system we play, but not sure I'd want to spend another chunk of our budget on him. If it was closer to £10m, I'd be having a look - but then so would most of the other Prem teams! |  |
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| Jack Clarke on 10:25 - Jul 2 with 10325 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Jack Clarke on 10:04 - Jul 2 by Churchman |
I don’t venture on to the Sunderland forum often, but I gather from a couple of mackem chums that his form tapered off last season, as did the team. Rightly or wrongly they questioned his attitude (but not his ability).
Assessing a player’s value is Impossible and not knowing anything about it my view is very much gut instinct with no real basis whatsoever.
As for LW, I’d leave that alone. I don’t necessarily disagree but I think we need to keep as much of last season’s team as possible while upgrading where we absolutely have to. Team spirit and cohesion are our best chance of making a good go of it. |
I agree to an extent, and I think the system of Davis playing really high and Broadhead coming inside and playing narrow worked. But i really worry about his level of athleticism, particularly away from home where his performances tailed off last season. Also id imagine that Leif will have a slightly lower starting position with the quality of wingers he will be up against in the prem.
On the ball Broadhead has premier league quality. I just have concerns there. | |
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| Jack Clarke on 10:26 - Jul 2 with 10298 views | weepingx2018 |
| Jack Clarke on 08:53 - Jul 2 by itfcjoe |
Seems a lot of money for him, bearing in mind he's gone to the PL before and made no impact as that will reduce any potential sell ons.
I do like him as a player but would prefer to go for a Sarmiento or Brereton Diaz for that role |
Honestly hope we get Sarmiento on loan or buy. | | | |
| Jack Clarke on 10:34 - Jul 2 with 10216 views | CaptainAhab |
| Jack Clarke on 10:26 - Jul 2 by weepingx2018 |
Honestly hope we get Sarmiento on loan or buy. |
What's the deal with Sarmiento, wasn't there an agreement we'd have him for a second season if we got promoted? | | | |
| Jack Clarke on 10:41 - Jul 2 with 10126 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Jack Clarke on 10:34 - Jul 2 by CaptainAhab |
What's the deal with Sarmiento, wasn't there an agreement we'd have him for a second season if we got promoted? |
The problem is we can only take two loans from other Premier League clubs. |  |
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| Jack Clarke on 10:48 - Jul 2 with 10025 views | Simonds92 |
| Jack Clarke on 09:19 - Jul 2 by Metal_Hacker |
I wouldn’t be adverse to the idea but to suggest he’s a “bargain” at that price is a little stretchy |
It's about £7m less than I expected it to be. I'd absolutely bring him in, he's a perfect fit at a good age. Think that left hand side forward role needs some real improvement. | | | |
| Jack Clarke on 10:55 - Jul 2 with 9925 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
£18m is not a bargain for this guy.
Very good player, but even Sunderland fans think he's fairly one dimensional.
If Hutch is an £18m player, then I think Clarke is worth less than that. |  |
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| Jack Clarke on 11:01 - Jul 2 with 9836 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Jack Clarke on 10:55 - Jul 2 by Marshalls_Mullet |
£18m is not a bargain for this guy.
Very good player, but even Sunderland fans think he's fairly one dimensional.
If Hutch is an £18m player, then I think Clarke is worth less than that. |
But imagine what KM could do with that talent.
He wouldn't be One dimensional once KM gets his hands on him. Then again, McKenna could probably turn me in to a decent player. | |
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| Jack Clarke on 11:06 - Jul 2 with 9725 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Jack Clarke on 11:01 - Jul 2 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
But imagine what KM could do with that talent.
He wouldn't be One dimensional once KM gets his hands on him. Then again, McKenna could probably turn me in to a decent player. |
We shouldn't be paying a premium for the work KM would do (any upside should be our profit, not theirs, they can have a sell on clause if they want that). We already pay a premium for having McKenna.
I think Clarke is probably a £12m player, as others have said, he's failed in the Prem before. | |
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| Jack Clarke on 11:07 - Jul 2 with 9715 views | CaptainAhab |
| Jack Clarke on 10:41 - Jul 2 by Pinewoodblue |
The problem is we can only take two loans from other Premier League clubs. |
So it was optional rather than a clause of the loan? Yeah I'm not 100% I'd be using one of our two loan slots on Sarmiento, although I'd take him on a perm if we could get him reasonably cheaply | | | |
| Jack Clarke on 11:38 - Jul 2 with 9462 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Jack Clarke on 10:48 - Jul 2 by Simonds92 |
It's about £7m less than I expected it to be. I'd absolutely bring him in, he's a perfect fit at a good age. Think that left hand side forward role needs some real improvement. |
Why would you value him at £7m more than Omari, if you thought he would be £25m?
Id see him as a £12m player (£15m tops). | |
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| Jack Clarke on 11:42 - Jul 2 with 9421 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Jack Clarke on 11:38 - Jul 2 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Why would you value him at £7m more than Omari, if you thought he would be £25m?
Id see him as a £12m player (£15m tops). |
12 million pounds for a 23 year old winger who scored 15 goals would be an absolute snip. Especially with his dribbling and passing ability.
Maybe 15 is about right. But as suggested on another thread I'm sure there are wingers playing in Europe who would cost less who might be as good. Clearly a market we are scouting. I just don't know any really.
What is Amad Diallo up to ? [Post edited 2 Jul 2024 11:46]
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| Jack Clarke on 11:51 - Jul 2 with 9310 views | Vic |
'Cocky little ****' is the verdict from someone I know very well who knew him very well. |  |
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| Jack Clarke on 12:18 - Jul 2 with 9113 views | dirtyboy |
| Jack Clarke on 11:51 - Jul 2 by Vic |
'Cocky little ****' is the verdict from someone I know very well who knew him very well. |
I think the culture at Ipswich is very important and would tolerate one or two loose canons in that respect.
He's still young and would likely adapt quite quickly in our set up in terms of attitude. It's when you have too many of those types you have a problem, in which case, if they are that way inclined....they need to be other worldly for the rest of the team to put up with them.
Just been looking at stats/attributes....he's right up there! Surprised me a little to be honest.
https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/players/914402/jack-clarke | | | |
| Jack Clarke on 12:28 - Jul 2 with 9033 views | Mediocre_Quick |
| Jack Clarke on 11:06 - Jul 2 by Marshalls_Mullet |
We shouldn't be paying a premium for the work KM would do (any upside should be our profit, not theirs, they can have a sell on clause if they want that). We already pay a premium for having McKenna.
I think Clarke is probably a £12m player, as others have said, he's failed in the Prem before. |
He moved to the Prem aged 17/18 and barely got a look in at Spurs, so wouldn't say he *failed* in the prem as he didn't get anywhere near the team at the time, and given the talent they had at the time on the wings, he didn't really stand much of a chance,
Always been a fan of him, so would be interesting to see what KM could do with him if the price was right |  | | |
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