| John Stones 09:29 - Jul 16 with 3956 views | chicoazul |
Is he the greatest English player of all time?
6 league titles 2 FA cups 2 league cups 1 champions league with 2 finals.
Played in 2 euro finals and a WC semi. Played in the Nations League semi final.
Pretty good case there. Amazing head of hair on the man too. [Post edited 16 Jul 2024 9:30]
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| John Stones on 09:30 - Jul 16 with 3016 views | Zx1988 |
Decent, yes, but how many of his accolades at Man City have been more as a result of the players around him, rather than him being the stand-out English player of his generation? |  |
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| John Stones on 09:32 - Jul 16 with 2981 views | Clutch |
| John Stones on 09:30 - Jul 16 by Zx1988 |
Decent, yes, but how many of his accolades at Man City have been more as a result of the players around him, rather than him being the stand-out English player of his generation? |
Pretty hard to be the standout player of a generation at centre back! |  | | |
| John Stones on 09:33 - Jul 16 with 2965 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
If you go by yesterdays chat, no, because he's not won anything internationally.
I'd be inclined to agree. It's Bobby Moore without question. |  |
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| John Stones on 09:35 - Jul 16 with 2948 views | _clive_baker_ |
Clearly not our greatest player of all time, he's not even our greatest defender.
Excellent player though and our only defender right now who could make a case for being 'world class' IMO, depending on your definition. I think he gets in most teams in the world. |  | | |
| John Stones on 09:35 - Jul 16 with 2933 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Here comes chickers with another attention-seeking edgy-take. |  |
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| John Stones on 09:40 - Jul 16 with 2884 views | NedPlimpton |
This is a joke, right?
He's not even Man City's best English player at the moment, let alone all time! |  | | |
| John Stones on 09:45 - Jul 16 with 2818 views | textbackup |
| John Stones on 09:30 - Jul 16 by Zx1988 |
Decent, yes, but how many of his accolades at Man City have been more as a result of the players around him, rather than him being the stand-out English player of his generation? |
You know it’s a team game? |  |
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| John Stones on 09:45 - Jul 16 with 2823 views | WD19 |
By the same logic David May was a better centre half than Kevin Beattie.
So I am going to say no. |  | | |
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| John Stones on 09:47 - Jul 16 with 2806 views | monty_radio |
I fully expect, long after the names of Geoff Hurst, Bobby Charlton, Jimmy Greaves, Gazza, Lineker and Shearer have drifted into the mists of memory, that the name of John Stones will continue to echo down through the succeeding years. | |
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| John Stones on 09:54 - Jul 16 with 2706 views | chicoazul |
| John Stones on 09:32 - Jul 16 by Clutch |
Pretty hard to be the standout player of a generation at centre back! |
Loads of people say the best Ipswich player ever is a centre back. | |
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| John Stones on 09:55 - Jul 16 with 2695 views | chicoazul |
| John Stones on 09:33 - Jul 16 by Cheltenham_Blue |
If you go by yesterdays chat, no, because he's not won anything internationally.
I'd be inclined to agree. It's Bobby Moore without question. |
No comparison in terms of trophies. If the World Cup offsets that then only one of those 11 players is the best English player ever. | |
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| John Stones on 09:57 - Jul 16 with 2677 views | chicoazul |
| John Stones on 09:40 - Jul 16 by NedPlimpton |
This is a joke, right?
He's not even Man City's best English player at the moment, let alone all time! |
Consistently picked by arguably the best domestic manager ever and arguably the best England manager ever. Redefined the role of a CB in the last couple years by playing into midfield. | |
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| John Stones on 09:57 - Jul 16 with 2672 views | chicoazul |
| John Stones on 09:35 - Jul 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Here comes chickers with another attention-seeking edgy-take. |
Dry your eyes mate. | |
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| John Stones on 10:27 - Jul 16 with 2496 views | RobTheMonk |
| John Stones on 09:30 - Jul 16 by Zx1988 |
Decent, yes, but how many of his accolades at Man City have been more as a result of the players around him, rather than him being the stand-out English player of his generation? |
He was a class above at Everton too to be fair.
He's been one of England's most consistent performers for nearly a decade too.
As the original poster says, loads of accolades and has been a staple of that Man City team which has won pretty much everything at club level.
- 6 x Premier League titles.
- 1 x Champions League.
- 4 x FA Cups.
- Other lesser trophies.
Not quite a big of a hot take as some are making this out to be, but I wouldn't have him at the best ever.
It's one of those massively subjective things though. Take into account time period, position, teams played, individual stats, opposition played etc etc. [Post edited 16 Jul 2024 10:28]
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| John Stones on 11:10 - Jul 16 with 2295 views | NedPlimpton |
| John Stones on 09:57 - Jul 16 by chicoazul |
Consistently picked by arguably the best domestic manager ever and arguably the best England manager ever. Redefined the role of a CB in the last couple years by playing into midfield. |
But he's not though, is he?
At best he's in rotation with Dias, Ake etc. But the fact he started the last 7 league games on the bench despite being fit suggests he isn't 1st choice | | | |
| John Stones on 11:18 - Jul 16 with 2272 views | chicoazul |
| John Stones on 11:10 - Jul 16 by NedPlimpton |
But he's not though, is he?
At best he's in rotation with Dias, Ake etc. But the fact he started the last 7 league games on the bench despite being fit suggests he isn't 1st choice |
Certainly true this last season but always picked by Pep for the big games for eg both Champs league finals | |
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| John Stones on 11:20 - Jul 16 with 2255 views | iamatractorboy |
Phil Neal won 4 European Cups. Just saying. | | | |
| John Stones on 11:26 - Jul 16 with 2215 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| John Stones on 10:27 - Jul 16 by RobTheMonk |
He was a class above at Everton too to be fair.
He's been one of England's most consistent performers for nearly a decade too.
As the original poster says, loads of accolades and has been a staple of that Man City team which has won pretty much everything at club level.
- 6 x Premier League titles.
- 1 x Champions League.
- 4 x FA Cups.
- Other lesser trophies.
Not quite a big of a hot take as some are making this out to be, but I wouldn't have him at the best ever.
It's one of those massively subjective things though. Take into account time period, position, teams played, individual stats, opposition played etc etc. [Post edited 16 Jul 2024 10:28]
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He said "the greatest English player of all time" not "who has the most trophies".
Of course it's a ridiculous hot-take. | |
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| John Stones on 11:27 - Jul 16 with 2203 views | GlasgowBlue |
No. But on a side note I thought he has a every good tournament. |  |
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| John Stones on 11:32 - Jul 16 with 2174 views | RobTheMonk |
| John Stones on 11:26 - Jul 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
He said "the greatest English player of all time" not "who has the most trophies".
Of course it's a ridiculous hot-take. |
Depends if you take winning trophies as a benchmark (and being a prime player in those trophy wins). | | | |
| John Stones on 11:42 - Jul 16 with 2118 views | Churchman |
| John Stones on 09:30 - Jul 16 by Zx1988 |
Decent, yes, but how many of his accolades at Man City have been more as a result of the players around him, rather than him being the stand-out English player of his generation? |
Absolutely this. Add in that the PL is designed to be uncompetitive, Leicester the one exception. It can only be won by just a few clubs. It wasn’t always that way. |  | | |
| John Stones on 11:42 - Jul 16 with 2116 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| John Stones on 11:32 - Jul 16 by RobTheMonk |
Depends if you take winning trophies as a benchmark (and being a prime player in those trophy wins). |
No, because it's a team game, there's an entire squad that contributed to winning those trophies. | |
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| John Stones on 11:50 - Jul 16 with 2087 views | Swansea_Blue |
| John Stones on 09:47 - Jul 16 by monty_radio |
I fully expect, long after the names of Geoff Hurst, Bobby Charlton, Jimmy Greaves, Gazza, Lineker and Shearer have drifted into the mists of memory, that the name of John Stones will continue to echo down through the succeeding years. |
Beckham, Bobby Moore, Paul Scholes, Shilton, Banks and probably Kane are all feeling a bit left out here |  |
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| John Stones on 11:50 - Jul 16 with 2081 views | Swansea_Blue |
| John Stones on 09:54 - Jul 16 by chicoazul |
Loads of people say the best Ipswich player ever is a centre back. |
And quite right too. It's a shame we only got to see 45 minutes of Mark Fish. | |
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| John Stones on 12:01 - Jul 16 with 2029 views | SE1blue |
| John Stones on 11:50 - Jul 16 by Swansea_Blue |
Beckham, Bobby Moore, Paul Scholes, Shilton, Banks and probably Kane are all feeling a bit left out here |
Beckham and Shilton?
Oh my… |  |
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