| John Stones 09:29 - Jul 16 with 3960 views | chicoazul |
Is he the greatest English player of all time?
6 league titles 2 FA cups 2 league cups 1 champions league with 2 finals.
Played in 2 euro finals and a WC semi. Played in the Nations League semi final.
Pretty good case there. Amazing head of hair on the man too. [Post edited 16 Jul 2024 9:30]
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| John Stones on 12:05 - Jul 16 with 918 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| John Stones on 12:01 - Jul 16 by SE1blue |
Beckham and Shilton?
Oh my… |
Beckham is certainly up there in the top 20 greatest England players of all time. A few hundred above John Stones! |  |
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| John Stones on 12:06 - Jul 16 with 919 views | Ryorry |
No, but I thought he was England's best player on Sunday (others will quite rightly say that's a pretty low bar). |  |
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| John Stones on 12:09 - Jul 16 with 910 views | Ryorry |
| John Stones on 11:50 - Jul 16 by Swansea_Blue |
And quite right too. It's a shame we only got to see 45 minutes of Mark Fish. |
That cheers me up in my old age, reminding me that I used to be able to run faster than Mark Fish. | |
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| John Stones on 12:24 - Jul 16 with 874 views | SE1blue |
| John Stones on 12:05 - Jul 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Beckham is certainly up there in the top 20 greatest England players of all time. A few hundred above John Stones! |
But equally nowhere near the best England player ever.
Beckham had a really sweet right foot but he couldn’t tackle, head the ball and his self discipline was nonexistent. |  |
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| John Stones on 12:33 - Jul 16 with 853 views | GlasgowBlue |
| John Stones on 12:01 - Jul 16 by SE1blue |
Beckham and Shilton?
Oh my… |
Beckham was a wonderful player. That's why he had son many caps. |  |
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| John Stones on 12:33 - Jul 16 with 850 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| John Stones on 12:24 - Jul 16 by SE1blue |
But equally nowhere near the best England player ever.
Beckham had a really sweet right foot but he couldn’t tackle, head the ball and his self discipline was nonexistent. |
His self discipline was superb. The hours and hours practicing freekicks until it was too dark to see the goal spring to mind. I think the Ronaldo incident is doing a lot of heavy lifting in your statement there. | |
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| John Stones on 12:35 - Jul 16 with 847 views | Swansea_Blue |
| John Stones on 12:01 - Jul 16 by SE1blue |
Beckham and Shilton?
Oh my… |
Without a doubt. I'm not sure what the question is any more, but they'd certainly be in an England's greatest squad. |  |
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| John Stones on 12:42 - Jul 16 with 833 views | SE1blue |
| John Stones on 12:33 - Jul 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
His self discipline was superb. The hours and hours practicing freekicks until it was too dark to see the goal spring to mind. I think the Ronaldo incident is doing a lot of heavy lifting in your statement there. |
OK, may have gone heavy saying ‘nonexistent’ but he was no angel.
Amongst numerous sending offs in Spain, one was for calling a match official the son of a who*e and on international duty he gave England fans the finger during one match.
Yes, a good player but I also think he benefited hugely from an incredible marketing brand at times. | |
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| John Stones on 12:48 - Jul 16 with 818 views | Sparky85 |
I think if you had said most successful player of all time, you would have been close, but Beckham has more:
6 Premier League titles,
2 FA cups,
4 Community Shields,
Champions League title,
2 MLS Cups (USA),
The Ligue title (France)
La Liga (Spain)
Spanish Super Cup
Intercontinental Cup
Also might have a claim to the hair comment also |  | | |
| John Stones on 12:54 - Jul 16 with 807 views | chicoazul |
| John Stones on 12:48 - Jul 16 by Sparky85 |
I think if you had said most successful player of all time, you would have been close, but Beckham has more:
6 Premier League titles,
2 FA cups,
4 Community Shields,
Champions League title,
2 MLS Cups (USA),
The Ligue title (France)
La Liga (Spain)
Spanish Super Cup
Intercontinental Cup
Also might have a claim to the hair comment also |
But no relative success with his country whatsoever. | |
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| John Stones on 13:29 - Jul 16 with 778 views | itfcsuth |
Wayne Rooney still the best English player I have ever seen - unlikely I will ever see better.
Scholes & Gerrard closely behind. |  | | |
| John Stones on 13:36 - Jul 16 with 758 views | NedPlimpton |
| John Stones on 12:54 - Jul 16 by chicoazul |
But no relative success with his country whatsoever. |
What success has Stones had with his country?
Because if we're including runners-up at international level are we now including runners-up at club level too??
Let's be honest Stones is not one of England's greatest ever players. He has played well in good teams, but that doesn't define a great. His individual honours are nowhere near some of the people he has played alongside in an England shirt including Kane and Rooney |  | | |
| John Stones on 14:19 - Jul 16 with 719 views | GeoffSentence |
I'd sign him as competition for Woolfy. |  |
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| John Stones on 14:31 - Jul 16 with 697 views | NedPlimpton |
| John Stones on 14:19 - Jul 16 by GeoffSentence |
I'd sign him as competition for Woolfy. |
Just seen Kyle Walker was named in the Euros team of the tournament
Pretty much an identical list of trophies to Stones plus now considered one of the best players at a tournament
Any reason you're not putting him forward as England's greatest?*
*not that I think he is, but probably thought of more highly in his position than Stones ever has been | | | |
| John Stones on 14:38 - Jul 16 with 679 views | Swansea_Blue |
| John Stones on 12:54 - Jul 16 by chicoazul |
But no relative success with his country whatsoever. |
Depends how we’re defining ‘best’. By the metric of international tournament success, Johan Cruyff was crap. Which is obviously not the case, as he’s one of the all time greats. Messi only just sneaked into that list at his last attempt.
Best player shouldn’t mean most decorated, it should mean how good they were as a player. It’s what it say on the tin - best player. Often the best ones help to carry their teams to trophies, but not always. | |
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| John Stones on 14:47 - Jul 16 with 665 views | chicoazul |
| John Stones on 14:31 - Jul 16 by NedPlimpton |
Just seen Kyle Walker was named in the Euros team of the tournament
Pretty much an identical list of trophies to Stones plus now considered one of the best players at a tournament
Any reason you're not putting him forward as England's greatest?*
*not that I think he is, but probably thought of more highly in his position than Stones ever has been |
Stones has redefined a centre back in the last couple of years by playing in CM, and also played pretty well in Walkers position. Pep himself once said Walker can’t really do what Stones can in middfield or that defensive hybrid role. | |
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| John Stones on 14:51 - Jul 16 with 658 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| John Stones on 12:24 - Jul 16 by SE1blue |
But equally nowhere near the best England player ever.
Beckham had a really sweet right foot but he couldn’t tackle, head the ball and his self discipline was nonexistent. |
Beckham was probably the best dead ball specialist England have ever had, but as an all round player he was limited. He had no pace, and for someone who played out wide for most of his career , didn’t have the ability to dribble and beat his man. Real Madrid bought him for the shirt sales and merchandise as much as his ability. Top 20 feels about right.
Stones in my opinion actually played his best football as a DCM the year City won the Champion League. I think it’s fair to say he’s amongst the best English players, City would certainly have replaced him pretty rapidly if he wasn’t. [Post edited 16 Jul 2024 14:52]
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| John Stones on 15:14 - Jul 16 with 642 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| John Stones on 14:51 - Jul 16 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Beckham was probably the best dead ball specialist England have ever had, but as an all round player he was limited. He had no pace, and for someone who played out wide for most of his career , didn’t have the ability to dribble and beat his man. Real Madrid bought him for the shirt sales and merchandise as much as his ability. Top 20 feels about right.
Stones in my opinion actually played his best football as a DCM the year City won the Champion League. I think it’s fair to say he’s amongst the best English players, City would certainly have replaced him pretty rapidly if he wasn’t. [Post edited 16 Jul 2024 14:52]
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Kevin Beatie (miss spelt because this thing will not let me do it properly).
Big Kev. Played in a team full of internationals and still stood out.
He could tackle, jump and head as well as Stones. But he could also dribble. Add to that he was the fastest bloke on the pitch. Think of Stones and Saka combined in one player.
They say the one thing defenders hate is someone running at them with the ball. Let me tell you midfielders are not too happy about it either.
Heart of a lion.
Stones not fit to clean his boots. |  | | |
| John Stones on 16:56 - Jul 16 with 586 views | monty_radio |
| John Stones on 11:50 - Jul 16 by Swansea_Blue |
Beckham, Bobby Moore, Paul Scholes, Shilton, Banks and probably Kane are all feeling a bit left out here |
I realise that you know my list was not meant to be exhaustive - otherwise such as Vivian Woodward, Charlie Buchan, Billy Wright and Wilf Mannion of Fantasy Football League fame might have all snuck in ahead of Mr Stones. | |
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| John Stones on 17:04 - Jul 16 with 572 views | Kropotkin123 |
| John Stones on 11:50 - Jul 16 by Swansea_Blue |
Beckham, Bobby Moore, Paul Scholes, Shilton, Banks and probably Kane are all feeling a bit left out here |
Was going to say Scholes... 11 league titles, 2 Champions League titles, 3 fa cups (surprisingly low).
@OP: If we are talking about ability, then definitely not. If we are talking about success, then towards the top, but not the best. |  |
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| John Stones on 19:37 - Jul 16 with 525 views | MK1 |
Sir Bobby Charlton is always the correct answer,
Glad to help. |  |
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| John Stones on 20:12 - Jul 16 with 505 views | blueislander |
| John Stones on 15:14 - Jul 16 by flykickingbybgunn |
Kevin Beatie (miss spelt because this thing will not let me do it properly).
Big Kev. Played in a team full of internationals and still stood out.
He could tackle, jump and head as well as Stones. But he could also dribble. Add to that he was the fastest bloke on the pitch. Think of Stones and Saka combined in one player.
They say the one thing defenders hate is someone running at them with the ball. Let me tell you midfielders are not too happy about it either.
Heart of a lion.
Stones not fit to clean his boots. |
Beattie was a better left back than centre back. | | | |
| John Stones on 22:31 - Jul 16 with 476 views | Churchman |
| John Stones on 20:12 - Jul 16 by blueislander |
Beattie was a better left back than centre back. |
I have to disagree with you there. Beattie could actually have played just about anywhere and been good at it, but in the middle of defence alongside the great Allan Hunter he was awesome. One of the very few players I’ve seen who when he got the ball, the crowd drew a collective breath.
Stones doesn’t even come close to Beattie. |  | | |
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