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We've had a discussion on here about the good stuff but what about the really bad ones. I bought a case of Shore Leave brewed by BrewDog today. I can't tell you how bad it is. Had to give it away. Waiting for a response from the person I gave it to.
Lager is a process and covers such a huge range that you cannot beging to dimiss it all like that. Urquell. Many of the German beers covered by the german purity law. For a start.
Staropramen is, of course, English brewed slop unless you have it abroad...
I can dismiss lager just like that, I just did. And if I miss out on getting lathered too quickly on German lagers as a result then that's a result. The health experts tell me the only thing worth drinking is red wine, releases polyphenols (no, I don't know what they are either.) So my occasional beer can only be a nice cask porter, stout or mild, maybe an IPA. I'm getting old.
Back in the day - Norwich Bitter. Now there was a dishwater of a beer. Ind Coope, Charles Wells. All of it dishwater.
There was a reason that as a yoof (and sometimes to this day) a light and bitter was the way to go. With a friendly barman they’d pour the bitter first then some of the light ale and with the rest of the bottle you’d get a pint and a quarter-ish. L&B wasn’t detrimental to a decent beer and made a poor one tolerable.
My mate who is on a bit of a health gig is drinking non alcoholic beers at the moment (why bother?). He asked me to try non alcoholic Ghost Ship. He’d been told it was just like the real thing. Er no it wasn’t. It was horrible. Like stagnant pond water strained through a tramp’s underpants. To be avoided.
I did the advertising for a beer called Caffreys which some on here might remember. The brewer was both surprised and delighted when it took off because you got more beer out of the barrel than they put in. People were happy to pay a premium for gas.
To my mind (and taste buds) anything called ‘porter’ or stout is a crime against beer I’m no great fan of fruit flavoured beers either
I can dismiss lager just like that, I just did. And if I miss out on getting lathered too quickly on German lagers as a result then that's a result. The health experts tell me the only thing worth drinking is red wine, releases polyphenols (no, I don't know what they are either.) So my occasional beer can only be a nice cask porter, stout or mild, maybe an IPA. I'm getting old.
St Feuillien Bruin or Brune, which I get from M&S, undergoes a secondary fermentation process in the bottle and is full of healthy gut bacteria.
On appalling beers, I find low-alcohol lager pretty awful because they all seem to have a nasty after-taste.
Back in the day, when I drank more, but wanted to limit my alcohol consumption, I used to drink half-lager and half-low alcohol lager in a pint glass, which was much more palatable.
In terms of inauthenticity, the following advert (which I saw a couple of days ago) takes the biscuit, given Madri has no connection at all to Spain, being conceived and brewed in the UK.
I'm getting very fussy with beer. I'm currently drinking Citra beer by Oakham breweries. If the pub is out of stock (which is likely on a Monday) I'm in turmoil, even though there are usually half a dozen other beers on offer.
I can drink lager if I'm abroad but not in UK - I think it's a psychological thing.
I love a cider but can only drink it in a heatwave.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Back in the day - Norwich Bitter. Now there was a dishwater of a beer. Ind Coope, Charles Wells. All of it dishwater.
There was a reason that as a yoof (and sometimes to this day) a light and bitter was the way to go. With a friendly barman they’d pour the bitter first then some of the light ale and with the rest of the bottle you’d get a pint and a quarter-ish. L&B wasn’t detrimental to a decent beer and made a poor one tolerable.
My mate who is on a bit of a health gig is drinking non alcoholic beers at the moment (why bother?). He asked me to try non alcoholic Ghost Ship. He’d been told it was just like the real thing. Er no it wasn’t. It was horrible. Like stagnant pond water strained through a tramp’s underpants. To be avoided.
Virtually all the mass produced lagers, Greene King IPA. Brew Dog is definitely up there too now, although I did drink some ok draft stuff in their monstrosity of a ‘pub’ in Waterloo a while back.
That said, walking in Sweden the other week cans of 3.5% Carlsberg which were the so,e option in the refuges were remarkably drinkable.
I tried a coffee beer last year, in a trendy brewery/bar type place in Bermondsey. It was really strong, like 10% or something. One sip, that was it. The single most disgusting thing that has ever passed my lips. Foul. I was already a bit p1ssed, but even that didn’t prepare me. Like drinking bulls p1ss that had been percolated the through a coffee machine. And then left to ferment in a bucket of sweaty socks for a month. Then left out in the sun in Death Valley for a week, and occasionally dipping a putrid dead rat in for 30 minutes at a time, just to add a little tang.
I'm getting very fussy with beer. I'm currently drinking Citra beer by Oakham breweries. If the pub is out of stock (which is likely on a Monday) I'm in turmoil, even though there are usually half a dozen other beers on offer.
I can drink lager if I'm abroad but not in UK - I think it's a psychological thing.
I love a cider but can only drink it in a heatwave.
Citra is a great shout. It's better out of the cask than in bottles (bottle is stronger). Oakhams do some great beers but don't often make it as far as Norfolk/Suffolk
Back in the day - Norwich Bitter. Now there was a dishwater of a beer. Ind Coope, Charles Wells. All of it dishwater.
There was a reason that as a yoof (and sometimes to this day) a light and bitter was the way to go. With a friendly barman they’d pour the bitter first then some of the light ale and with the rest of the bottle you’d get a pint and a quarter-ish. L&B wasn’t detrimental to a decent beer and made a poor one tolerable.
My mate who is on a bit of a health gig is drinking non alcoholic beers at the moment (why bother?). He asked me to try non alcoholic Ghost Ship. He’d been told it was just like the real thing. Er no it wasn’t. It was horrible. Like stagnant pond water strained through a tramp’s underpants. To be avoided.
Bottled beer trialling by Ryorry9 Apr 2024 11:49 Am in the lovely situation of finding that, after 30 years, my guts are now allowing me to drink beer once more :) Quite a revelation coming back to it, had forgotten how bitter 'bitter' actually is! but it remains my favourite drink, & my taste-buds are being re-educated - nice work, they got it ...
Started with alcohol-free as wasn't sure if I was OK with hops, but no problem. The 'like' test so far then -
St Peter's organic best bitter 4.1% (brewed in Suffolk) 9/10 - really nice, mild, malty taste.
Erdinger alcohol-free 0.5% - possibly the most refreshing drink of any kind I've ever had - 9/10
Fullers London Pride 4.7% 7/10
Small Beer IPA 2.3% 7/10
Erdinger Weissbier 5.3% 7/10 (a wheat beer, "bottle fermentation").
Empress organic lager, 4.5% (gluten-free) 5/10
St Austell Tribute Pale Ale 4.2% 4/10
Adnams Ghost Ship Pale Ale alcohol-free (0.5%) 3/10 - nice citrus-tasting drink without the citrus, but I wouldn't call it beer!
Also an honourable mention for Guinness alcohol-free cans - but the cans themselves are a total pain - impossible to open without contents foaming over, even if you've let em rest for 30 mins on work surface beforehand.
More to follow! Any recommendations for me to try?
"Adnams Ghost Ship Pale Ale alcohol-free (0.5%) 3/10 - nice citrus-tasting drink without the citrus, but I wouldn't call it beer!"
Bottled beer trialling by Ryorry9 Apr 2024 11:49 Am in the lovely situation of finding that, after 30 years, my guts are now allowing me to drink beer once more :) Quite a revelation coming back to it, had forgotten how bitter 'bitter' actually is! but it remains my favourite drink, & my taste-buds are being re-educated - nice work, they got it ...
Started with alcohol-free as wasn't sure if I was OK with hops, but no problem. The 'like' test so far then -
St Peter's organic best bitter 4.1% (brewed in Suffolk) 9/10 - really nice, mild, malty taste.
Erdinger alcohol-free 0.5% - possibly the most refreshing drink of any kind I've ever had - 9/10
Fullers London Pride 4.7% 7/10
Small Beer IPA 2.3% 7/10
Erdinger Weissbier 5.3% 7/10 (a wheat beer, "bottle fermentation").
Empress organic lager, 4.5% (gluten-free) 5/10
St Austell Tribute Pale Ale 4.2% 4/10
Adnams Ghost Ship Pale Ale alcohol-free (0.5%) 3/10 - nice citrus-tasting drink without the citrus, but I wouldn't call it beer!
Also an honourable mention for Guinness alcohol-free cans - but the cans themselves are a total pain - impossible to open without contents foaming over, even if you've let em rest for 30 mins on work surface beforehand.
More to follow! Any recommendations for me to try?
"Adnams Ghost Ship Pale Ale alcohol-free (0.5%) 3/10 - nice citrus-tasting drink without the citrus, but I wouldn't call it beer!"
guinness alcohol-free cans - the trick is to just pour them quickly. open can, immediately turn it over into the bottom of a pint glass, as the beer goes into the glass rise the can up. it never over flows.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
It is time that trading standards got involved with the deliberately misleading marketing of many many beers in the UK. The hard water in our traditional large brewing areas, among other things, makes for a totally different beer to the originals.
you can burtonize any water supply these days to make it taste better or however you want. I think the real difference is in the malt &hops they use, it wont be the same as what the original uses and you often have to change the brewing recipe to fit.
CAMRA get excised about stuff like Madri,not being really authentic, there was some old guy in a pub yesterday getting the hump with bar staff about Cruzcampo not being proper Spanish beer, like its their fault. but its just about a huge marketing budget and being able to dump something in 1000s of bars.
it tastes of lager, its nice to drink cold beer on a hot day sometimes, who really cares where its from.
and it will be gone in a few years just like all those lagers & ciders (remember the Magners craze) that went before it
you can burtonize any water supply these days to make it taste better or however you want. I think the real difference is in the malt &hops they use, it wont be the same as what the original uses and you often have to change the brewing recipe to fit.
CAMRA get excised about stuff like Madri,not being really authentic, there was some old guy in a pub yesterday getting the hump with bar staff about Cruzcampo not being proper Spanish beer, like its their fault. but its just about a huge marketing budget and being able to dump something in 1000s of bars.
it tastes of lager, its nice to drink cold beer on a hot day sometimes, who really cares where its from.
and it will be gone in a few years just like all those lagers & ciders (remember the Magners craze) that went before it
burtonsisatio, surely, is the ruining of beer by using the crappy water in places like burton and wolverhampton, which are great for ales perhaps, but ruin cold beer. Do you mean "de-burtonise"? If so, I guess noone does it because it costs more and the great british public either dont know or care about the difference. They keep buying fake foreign beer that all tastes much the same from the massive vats of swill in the midlands.
Back in the day - Norwich Bitter. Now there was a dishwater of a beer. Ind Coope, Charles Wells. All of it dishwater.
There was a reason that as a yoof (and sometimes to this day) a light and bitter was the way to go. With a friendly barman they’d pour the bitter first then some of the light ale and with the rest of the bottle you’d get a pint and a quarter-ish. L&B wasn’t detrimental to a decent beer and made a poor one tolerable.
My mate who is on a bit of a health gig is drinking non alcoholic beers at the moment (why bother?). He asked me to try non alcoholic Ghost Ship. He’d been told it was just like the real thing. Er no it wasn’t. It was horrible. Like stagnant pond water strained through a tramp’s underpants. To be avoided.
of all the non-alcoholic beers produced by big breweries, not forgetting a shout out to our very own Ipswich based Big Drop brewing who make very good low abv "alcohol free beers". ghost ship alcohol free is probably one of the better ones, it doesnt taste like the real thing obviously, but its good enough approximation considering some Ive tried.
like if you want to try a really bad attempt at one try St Peters Without, its like they just bottled the wort, its malt liquor basically, horrid stuff.
Any kind of “fruity” IPA I find pretty disgusting and often very samey. I don’t understand why this appears to be the default craft brewery approach.
On the other hand, I like IPAs that are quite bitter with the hops – and strong. You can get Proper Job even in Lidl, and it’s delicious.
Every marketing beer – Madri, Cruzcampo, Peroni – tastes exactly the same and is thoroughly depressing to drink.
I read the phrase “reduced strength Leffe” in this thread and now I feel very sad.
Cuzcampo is brewed in manchester, at a reduced strength to the Spanish stuff. Peroni may actually be Italian. No idea whether italians actually drink the stuff. Its owned by Asahi, which is also made in Italy...
Madri is a completely british invention. It has replaced Carling in its owners business. All marketing. Some say it is the old carling recipe...
I'll admit I've recently been drinking a lot of sours which I know most people hate due to the intense tang.
Nicest I've had recently was a pint of cherry kola sour, delicious but makes me question what beer actually is and if beer is that then what am I drinking?
Anything by vault city gets a try too, amazing stuff (for me)
Can't stand brewdog though, majorly gone down hill and most of their beers are good awful combinations. I don't get the marshmallow obsession in beer
Citra is a great shout. It's better out of the cask than in bottles (bottle is stronger). Oakhams do some great beers but don't often make it as far as Norfolk/Suffolk
They do Citra as a permanent beer in the pub near my office in Nodge, I had presumed it was local.
They had Ghost Ship in there the other week as a guest beer so I had one as it's my go to beer - but I preferred the Citra.
I forget how I got them but I had a couple of watermelon flavoured ales in my office. I drunk one and it was awful, the other one remains and no matter how desperate I am for a beer I just cannot bring myself to drink it.
I now liken it to a canary in a cage - if I ever drink it I know I've hit rock bottom.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
I'll admit I've recently been drinking a lot of sours which I know most people hate due to the intense tang.
Nicest I've had recently was a pint of cherry kola sour, delicious but makes me question what beer actually is and if beer is that then what am I drinking?
Anything by vault city gets a try too, amazing stuff (for me)
Can't stand brewdog though, majorly gone down hill and most of their beers are good awful combinations. I don't get the marshmallow obsession in beer
I love a sour fruity beer on a hot day and Vault City make the best sours IMO.
Certainly not to everyone's taste, but I love trying as many new beers as possible in search of the perfect beer. I haven't quite found it yet so I'll keep searching!
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