| These riots throughout the country 08:58 - Aug 3 with 20746 views | onceablue |
Are really inappropriate and awful but I can’t help feeling that Kier Starmer isn’t helping the situation
There have have been lots of violent instances recently but comments differ so drastically from Starmer depending on who is doing the rioting.
The people rioting in Leeds were not called violent thugs by Starmer although setting fire to police car and bus
The people who attacked the police at Manchester Airport were not called violent thugs by Starmer
In fact Starmer defended them
Yet if the indigenous population protest they are called violent thugs
If you set fire to a police car and attack the police you are a violent thug regardless of your origin and you should be called so
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| These riots throughout the country on 09:04 - Aug 3 with 8627 views | GlasgowBlue |
Be under no illusion here, the only people responsible for inflaming the situation and mobilising far right racist thugs are the likes of Tommy Robinson, the Tate brothers, Lawrence Fox, the Russian bot farms and other social media influencers who are spreading hate and misinformation.
Starmer isn’t responsible for a single act or thuggery, racism and vandalism we have seen all over the news.
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| These riots throughout the country on 09:12 - Aug 3 with 8569 views | onceablue |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:04 - Aug 3 by GlasgowBlue |
Be under no illusion here, the only people responsible for inflaming the situation and mobilising far right racist thugs are the likes of Tommy Robinson, the Tate brothers, Lawrence Fox, the Russian bot farms and other social media influencers who are spreading hate and misinformation.
Starmer isn’t responsible for a single act or thuggery, racism and vandalism we have seen all over the news.
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I think you have missed my point
Was the riot in Leeds an act of thuggery and vandalism by the people involved
Yes it was
Yet Starmers response was totally different to that incident because of the people involved. | | | |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:15 - Aug 3 with 8540 views | MattinLondon |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:12 - Aug 3 by onceablue |
I think you have missed my point
Was the riot in Leeds an act of thuggery and vandalism by the people involved
Yes it was
Yet Starmers response was totally different to that incident because of the people involved. |
For the benefit of the tape, who were the people involved in those incidents? |  | | |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:18 - Aug 3 with 8516 views | Keno |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:04 - Aug 3 by GlasgowBlue |
Be under no illusion here, the only people responsible for inflaming the situation and mobilising far right racist thugs are the likes of Tommy Robinson, the Tate brothers, Lawrence Fox, the Russian bot farms and other social media influencers who are spreading hate and misinformation.
Starmer isn’t responsible for a single act or thuggery, racism and vandalism we have seen all over the news.
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I totally agree with you
but I think Kier comments about 'protecting muslins and mosques which well intentioned, where a little misjudged, especially as there is some disquiet over the pro Palestine matches be allows seemingly un policed
He should have said something like 'will we protect everyone from thuggery, racism and vandalism |  |
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| These riots throughout the country on 09:19 - Aug 3 with 8506 views | yesjohn99 |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:15 - Aug 3 by MattinLondon |
For the benefit of the tape, who were the people involved in those incidents? |
Human beings.
Anyone doing any of this stupidity is well, stupid. | | | |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:19 - Aug 3 with 8494 views | bluejacko |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:15 - Aug 3 by MattinLondon |
For the benefit of the tape, who were the people involved in those incidents? |
Violent thugs not called out by Starmer!read the OP | | | |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:20 - Aug 3 with 8479 views | DanTheMan |
In Leeds they set fire to some stuff and the home secretary rightly criticised the behaviour.
I'm not sure how the Manchester Airport situation is really related given it appears to be an isolated incident, not that the group of people involved went to the airport with the intention of causing problems.
What we've been seeing now is multi-city riots which are putting people into hospital, as well as some property damage. And it's been going on for days, off the back of disinformation.
Blaming Starmer is such a stretch that I can only assume you started with him being to blame and work backwards. As Glassers says, there are some other politicians and well known agitators who deserve the blame here. |  |
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| These riots throughout the country on 09:23 - Aug 3 with 8399 views | SitfcB |
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| These riots throughout the country on 09:24 - Aug 3 with 8378 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:19 - Aug 3 by bluejacko |
Violent thugs not called out by Starmer!read the OP |
YOU read the OP! He's suggesting it wasn't "the indigenous population" protesting in Leeds. I think we'd all like to see his workings on that. |  |
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| These riots throughout the country on 09:26 - Aug 3 with 8374 views | gtsb1966 |
From the BBC
Some members of the crowd could be heard shouting Islamophobic slurs and chanting in support of far-right activist Tommy Robsinson, founder of the now disbanded English Defence League (EDL).
Mr Yaxley-Lennon's X account has promoted false claims that the alleged Southport attacker had been an asylum seeker who recently arrived in the UK by boat.
Lewis Atkinson, Labour MP for Sunderland Central, said: "Last night one of the flags on the street bore the reference to the North East Infidels, which is a Nazi offshoot from the North East chapter of what was the EDL." |  | | |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:29 - Aug 3 with 8344 views | BlueBadger |
Imagine being so patriotic you turn out to make excuses for violent nazis. [Post edited 3 Aug 2024 9:30]
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| These riots throughout the country on 09:37 - Aug 3 with 8242 views | BlueBadger |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:12 - Aug 3 by onceablue |
I think you have missed my point
Was the riot in Leeds an act of thuggery and vandalism by the people involved
Yes it was
Yet Starmers response was totally different to that incident because of the people involved. |
Are you seriously suggesting that the prime minister SHOULDN'T condemn violent nazis because he condemned a police officer who was caught on camera acting illegally?
And how is the weather in Moscow this morning? [Post edited 3 Aug 2024 9:37]
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| These riots throughout the country on 09:39 - Aug 3 with 8225 views | BlueBadger |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:19 - Aug 3 by bluejacko |
Violent thugs not called out by Starmer!read the OP |
We did. They're whining that Starmer is condemning violent criminal behaviour(police brutality and racially motivated rioting fuelled by far right agitators). [Post edited 3 Aug 2024 9:41]
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| These riots throughout the country on 09:40 - Aug 3 with 8208 views | onceablue |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:29 - Aug 3 by BlueBadger |
Imagine being so patriotic you turn out to make excuses for violent nazis. [Post edited 3 Aug 2024 9:30]
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Please read the OP
THESE RIOTS ARE AWFUL AND I AM NOT DEFENDING THE PEOLE INVOLVED
MY POINT WAS ALL PEOPLE WHO ASSAULT AND VANDALISE ARE THUGS NOT JUST THE ONES CARRYING THE ENGLISH FLAG | | | |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:44 - Aug 3 with 8123 views | BlueBadger |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:40 - Aug 3 by onceablue |
Please read the OP
THESE RIOTS ARE AWFUL AND I AM NOT DEFENDING THE PEOLE INVOLVED
MY POINT WAS ALL PEOPLE WHO ASSAULT AND VANDALISE ARE THUGS NOT JUST THE ONES CARRYING THE ENGLISH FLAG |
Perhaps you should have made that point in the first place, rather than whining about the prime minister saying 'hey, violent crime is bad, no matter who does it'. [Post edited 3 Aug 2024 9:46]
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| These riots throughout the country on 09:46 - Aug 3 with 8094 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:40 - Aug 3 by onceablue |
Please read the OP
THESE RIOTS ARE AWFUL AND I AM NOT DEFENDING THE PEOLE INVOLVED
MY POINT WAS ALL PEOPLE WHO ASSAULT AND VANDALISE ARE THUGS NOT JUST THE ONES CARRYING THE ENGLISH FLAG |
I haven't seen Starmer defending any assaults or violence. What are you talking about?! | |
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| These riots throughout the country on 09:47 - Aug 3 with 8090 views | BlueBadger |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:46 - Aug 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I haven't seen Starmer defending any assaults or violence. What are you talking about?! |
OP's gone into full 'Lambert bans Phil' mode here. | |
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| These riots throughout the country on 09:49 - Aug 3 with 8072 views | eireblue |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:40 - Aug 3 by onceablue |
Please read the OP
THESE RIOTS ARE AWFUL AND I AM NOT DEFENDING THE PEOLE INVOLVED
MY POINT WAS ALL PEOPLE WHO ASSAULT AND VANDALISE ARE THUGS NOT JUST THE ONES CARRYING THE ENGLISH FLAG |
Your point was “.. that Kier Starmer isn’t helping the situation”
So your proposition, is that known far right agitators, would have listened to Keir Starmer, and said, you know what, after years of being in a far right group, getting pissed up and fighting with police at protests and complaining about the islamification of the U.K., we are going to stop now.”
That’s bollox, no matter how many capital letters you use. |  | | |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:51 - Aug 3 with 8060 views | onceablue |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:46 - Aug 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I haven't seen Starmer defending any assaults or violence. What are you talking about?! |
But he didn’t call the rioters in Leeds violent thugs
Why aren’t they violent thugs?
That was my point in the OP | | | |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:58 - Aug 3 with 8014 views | Guthrum |
Three different sets of circumstances.
The first was a family reacting to their children being taken away. If not acceptable, at least understandable.
The second was an attempted arrest which turned violent. Only noticed by the public because a police officer decided to kick the suspect in the head and somebody was filming it.
These are wilfully ignorant* yobs using murdered children as a spurious excuse to fight the police and burn stuff.
* The individual in custody for Southport was born in the UK and is almost certainly not even Muslim. Indeed, by the looks of it, they should perhaps be rioting for better mental healthcare provision. |  |
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| These riots throughout the country on 10:03 - Aug 3 with 7956 views | BlueBadger |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:51 - Aug 3 by onceablue |
But he didn’t call the rioters in Leeds violent thugs
Why aren’t they violent thugs?
That was my point in the OP |
Are you sure?
Here's you, implying that Starmer did precisely that.
These riots throughout the country by onceablue 3 Aug 2024 8:58Are really inappropriate and awful but I can’t help feeling that Kier Starmer isn’t helping the situation
There have have been lots of violent instances recently but comments differ so drastically from Starmer depending on who is doing the rioting.
The people rioting in Leeds were not called violent thugs by Starmer although setting fire to police car and bus
The people who attacked the police at Manchester Airport were not called violent thugs by Starmer
In fact Starmer defended them
Yet if the indigenous population protest they are called violent thugs
If you set fire to a police car and attack the police you are a violent thug regardless of your origin and you should be called so
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| These riots throughout the country on 10:06 - Aug 3 with 7901 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:51 - Aug 3 by onceablue |
But he didn’t call the rioters in Leeds violent thugs
Why aren’t they violent thugs?
That was my point in the OP |
So it's just the phrase "violent thugs" that you have a bee in your bonnet about? | |
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| These riots throughout the country on 10:15 - Aug 3 with 7816 views | BlueBadger |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:19 - Aug 3 by bluejacko |
Violent thugs not called out by Starmer!read the OP |
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| These riots throughout the country on 10:17 - Aug 3 with 7801 views | textbackup |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:26 - Aug 3 by gtsb1966 |
From the BBC
Some members of the crowd could be heard shouting Islamophobic slurs and chanting in support of far-right activist Tommy Robsinson, founder of the now disbanded English Defence League (EDL).
Mr Yaxley-Lennon's X account has promoted false claims that the alleged Southport attacker had been an asylum seeker who recently arrived in the UK by boat.
Lewis Atkinson, Labour MP for Sunderland Central, said: "Last night one of the flags on the street bore the reference to the North East Infidels, which is a Nazi offshoot from the North East chapter of what was the EDL." |
‘From the BBC’
😂 yeah, always bang on the money with the reporting they want you to hear.
The BBC should focus more on allowing nonces to work for them |  |
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