| These riots throughout the country 08:58 - Aug 3 with 20745 views | onceablue |
Are really inappropriate and awful but I can’t help feeling that Kier Starmer isn’t helping the situation
There have have been lots of violent instances recently but comments differ so drastically from Starmer depending on who is doing the rioting.
The people rioting in Leeds were not called violent thugs by Starmer although setting fire to police car and bus
The people who attacked the police at Manchester Airport were not called violent thugs by Starmer
In fact Starmer defended them
Yet if the indigenous population protest they are called violent thugs
If you set fire to a police car and attack the police you are a violent thug regardless of your origin and you should be called so
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| These riots throughout the country on 10:18 - Aug 3 with 1669 views | BlueBadger |
| These riots throughout the country on 10:17 - Aug 3 by textbackup |
‘From the BBC’
😂 yeah, always bang on the money with the reporting they want you to hear.
The BBC should focus more on allowing nonces to work for them |
Imagine a report about nazis rioting showing footage and sounds of nazis rioting. |  |
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| These riots throughout the country on 10:20 - Aug 3 with 1659 views | lowhouseblue |
an interesting, and more nuanced, discussion of the same thing:
https://unherd.com/2024/08/how-britain-ignored-its-ethnic-conflict/ |  |
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| These riots throughout the country on 10:20 - Aug 3 with 1661 views | textbackup |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:58 - Aug 3 by Guthrum |
Three different sets of circumstances.
The first was a family reacting to their children being taken away. If not acceptable, at least understandable.
The second was an attempted arrest which turned violent. Only noticed by the public because a police officer decided to kick the suspect in the head and somebody was filming it.
These are wilfully ignorant* yobs using murdered children as a spurious excuse to fight the police and burn stuff.
* The individual in custody for Southport was born in the UK and is almost certainly not even Muslim. Indeed, by the looks of it, they should perhaps be rioting for better mental healthcare provision. |
Wow, great spin on that.
The first one, never acceptable, wasn’t just a family rioting, was a community.
Third one, absolutely correct there are an element of thugs out to cause utter carnage. But a huge number not associated to that behaviour that genuinely care and worry what an absolute sht state this country has got in. |  |
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| These riots throughout the country on 10:23 - Aug 3 with 1621 views | textbackup |
| These riots throughout the country on 10:18 - Aug 3 by BlueBadger |
Imagine a report about nazis rioting showing footage and sounds of nazis rioting. |
You’ve seen one nazi tattoo just as I have… Im not going for one moment think that one person, or a small number, represent every single person that was there.
Because that’s just thick isn’t it | |
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| These riots throughout the country on 10:23 - Aug 3 with 1605 views | onceablue |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:49 - Aug 3 by eireblue |
Your point was “.. that Kier Starmer isn’t helping the situation”
So your proposition, is that known far right agitators, would have listened to Keir Starmer, and said, you know what, after years of being in a far right group, getting pissed up and fighting with police at protests and complaining about the islamification of the U.K., we are going to stop now.”
That’s bollox, no matter how many capital letters you use. |
Surely anything is worth a go to change the mindset of the far right
What are they doing in your country?
Your protests and rioting are even worse than in England | | | |
| These riots throughout the country on 10:29 - Aug 3 with 1564 views | onceablue |
| These riots throughout the country on 10:20 - Aug 3 by textbackup |
Wow, great spin on that.
The first one, never acceptable, wasn’t just a family rioting, was a community.
Third one, absolutely correct there are an element of thugs out to cause utter carnage. But a huge number not associated to that behaviour that genuinely care and worry what an absolute sht state this country has got in. |
Funny how the member of the public wasn’t filming when the 2 people were beating the crap out of the Police | | | |
| These riots throughout the country on 10:37 - Aug 3 with 1544 views | onceablue |
Home Secretary said the riot in Leeds was caused by a criminal minority
Riot in other Places caused by violent thugs
But the riot in Leeds was also caused by violent thugs.
I now I would rather been called a criminal minority rather than a violent thug
At that was my point in the original post
By the way I am neither | | | |
| These riots throughout the country on 10:37 - Aug 3 with 1546 views | lowhouseblue |
there are lots of things going on: the weather (people only riot when it's hot - we need rain); our city centres at night are populated by drunken idiots who are happy to join in with violence and confrontation with the police once it starts; small far right groups amplified by social media, free riders like farage, conspiracy nutters and other malign actors; and genuine ethic divisions and conflict which are widely spread and are ignited by events such as those in southport. there is undoubtedly a consensus amongst mainstream politicians and media to promote a narrative about riots and social unrest which exclusively emphasises the third of those and pretends that the fourth doesn't exist. | |
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| These riots throughout the country on 10:38 - Aug 3 with 1531 views | Dubtractor |
| These riots throughout the country on 10:37 - Aug 3 by onceablue |
Home Secretary said the riot in Leeds was caused by a criminal minority
Riot in other Places caused by violent thugs
But the riot in Leeds was also caused by violent thugs.
I now I would rather been called a criminal minority rather than a violent thug
At that was my point in the original post
By the way I am neither |
You literally said that starmer defended them. It's there in your op ffs. |  |
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| These riots throughout the country on 10:39 - Aug 3 with 1514 views | GlasgowBlue |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:18 - Aug 3 by Keno |
I totally agree with you
but I think Kier comments about 'protecting muslins and mosques which well intentioned, where a little misjudged, especially as there is some disquiet over the pro Palestine matches be allows seemingly un policed
He should have said something like 'will we protect everyone from thuggery, racism and vandalism |
I disagree with you there Keno. When Jewish people and Jewish places of worship come under attack there is nothing worse than hearing politicians offer half hearted mealy mouthed condemnation like "I condemn antisemitism as I condemn Islamophobia and all forms of racism". No mate. Condemn antisemitism with no ifs and no buts.
So when Muslims and Mosques are coming under attack from far right racists it is right for Starmer to state unequivocally that he will protect Muslims and their places of worship.
Not only is it the right thing to do but it's important that British Muslims hear him talking directly and exclusively to them in this way.
With regards to the pro Palestine marches and some of the awful chanting and signs on display at them, I've made my views pretty clear on them in the past few months but I think it would be wrong to conflate the two issues. |  |
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| These riots throughout the country on 10:39 - Aug 3 with 1525 views | Guthrum |
| These riots throughout the country on 10:20 - Aug 3 by textbackup |
Wow, great spin on that.
The first one, never acceptable, wasn’t just a family rioting, was a community.
Third one, absolutely correct there are an element of thugs out to cause utter carnage. But a huge number not associated to that behaviour that genuinely care and worry what an absolute sht state this country has got in. |
But what does the 'absolute sht state this country has got in' have to do with Muslims or immigrants? As opposed to things like governmental incompetence, bad economic theories, over-reliance on cheap energy supplies which then get cut off by war, breaking trade links with neighbours, profiteering by supermarkets and so on.
Even then, if they were just protesting, that's not a problem. But these are taking what is now a known false narrative from social media and using it as an excuse for a riot, some of which involved looting. |  |
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| These riots throughout the country on 10:41 - Aug 3 with 1472 views | GlasgowBlue |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:23 - Aug 3 by SitfcB |
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Hope Not Hate have put out some very good info on why people should not lay this thugary at the door of the EDL, which hasn't existed for some time. | |
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| These riots throughout the country on 10:42 - Aug 3 with 1454 views | Guthrum |
| These riots throughout the country on 10:29 - Aug 3 by onceablue |
Funny how the member of the public wasn’t filming when the 2 people were beating the crap out of the Police |
Thing that surprised me was the initial attack on the airport police was reported from the start - but everyone seemed to ignore that aspect of it. | |
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| These riots throughout the country on 11:06 - Aug 3 with 1360 views | DJR |
Surely the difference is that the first two incidents were localised incidents, whereas the last is in danger of spirally out of control throughout the country.
At such a stage, surely it is incumbent on the government to do all it can to prevent this, particularly as it involves racists who are unfairly targeting the Muslim community?
I was born in Canada, but am a British citizen, am I not indigenous?
The other interesting question is what do these people want? Are they suggesting that the millions of people who are not white British should be expelled from the country? It is also seems unfair to me to expect of the non-white population a higher standard (that they should not commit crime) than is expected of the white population, given crime exists in all communities.
Finally, this is a sad consequence of what is going on which took place at a train station on the way to Southport that I will be getting off at on Monday, and which is located in a very prosperous area of Liverpool.
https://metro.co.uk/2024/08/02/muslim-stabbed-train-station-hours-far-right-demo [Post edited 3 Aug 2024 11:34]
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| These riots throughout the country on 11:15 - Aug 3 with 1325 views | Swansea_Blue |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:51 - Aug 3 by onceablue |
But he didn’t call the rioters in Leeds violent thugs
Why aren’t they violent thugs?
That was my point in the OP |
I’m sure there are lots of things he didn’t call them. Should he have a prescribed list of words he’s allowed to use? It seemed to me that he condemned the Leeds trouble in the strongest terms.
I’ve seen that the right wing media are taking this line, but it seems a bit desperate. Conversely, Starmer has also faced some criticism from with his own party that he’s not tackling Islamophobia well enough. He seems to have knives coming at him from all angles on this issue. |  |
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| These riots throughout the country on 11:19 - Aug 3 with 1309 views | Horsham |
If you riot, burn, destroy, assault then you are accountable for what you do. |  | | |
| These riots throughout the country on 11:22 - Aug 3 with 1295 views | BlueBadger |
| These riots throughout the country on 10:20 - Aug 3 by textbackup |
Wow, great spin on that.
The first one, never acceptable, wasn’t just a family rioting, was a community.
Third one, absolutely correct there are an element of thugs out to cause utter carnage. But a huge number not associated to that behaviour that genuinely care and worry what an absolute sht state this country has got in. |
Ah, the old Very Real Concerns. | |
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| These riots throughout the country on 11:25 - Aug 3 with 1271 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
You still haven't elaborated on what you mean by "the indigenous population".
I'd wager that most of those who rioted in Leeds were all born in the UK, are they then not indigenous?
Seems to be some whataboutery in this post to me. |  |
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| These riots throughout the country on 11:32 - Aug 3 with 1245 views | Ryorry |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:51 - Aug 3 by onceablue |
But he didn’t call the rioters in Leeds violent thugs
Why aren’t they violent thugs?
That was my point in the OP |
You could always put in an application to be Keir Starmer’s speech writer. |  |
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| These riots throughout the country on 11:48 - Aug 3 with 1198 views | BarcaBlue |
| These riots throughout the country on 11:25 - Aug 3 by Cheltenham_Blue |
You still haven't elaborated on what you mean by "the indigenous population".
I'd wager that most of those who rioted in Leeds were all born in the UK, are they then not indigenous?
Seems to be some whataboutery in this post to me. |
I think it has to be tracing your lineage back to the Iceni tribe. None of those Vikings or Saxons coming over in their boats. Same with the Normans. Definitely Iceni ancestry for me although obviously other tribes were about at the time, but many of them mingled with the Romans. |  | | |
| These riots throughout the country on 11:50 - Aug 3 with 1191 views | chicoazul |
| These riots throughout the country on 09:18 - Aug 3 by Keno |
I totally agree with you
but I think Kier comments about 'protecting muslins and mosques which well intentioned, where a little misjudged, especially as there is some disquiet over the pro Palestine matches be allows seemingly un policed
He should have said something like 'will we protect everyone from thuggery, racism and vandalism |
Not “everyone” is at risk from the fash though. Don’t be disingenuous. |  |
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| These riots throughout the country on 12:20 - Aug 3 with 1127 views | textbackup |
| These riots throughout the country on 10:39 - Aug 3 by Guthrum |
But what does the 'absolute sht state this country has got in' have to do with Muslims or immigrants? As opposed to things like governmental incompetence, bad economic theories, over-reliance on cheap energy supplies which then get cut off by war, breaking trade links with neighbours, profiteering by supermarkets and so on.
Even then, if they were just protesting, that's not a problem. But these are taking what is now a known false narrative from social media and using it as an excuse for a riot, some of which involved looting. |
Again, agree on that front.
As yet I’ve not seen a single Muslim or immigrant attacked as part of these ‘riots’ ‘protests’
Which say to me this is more about people being sick to death with the country as a whole.
That’s my take on it anyway | |
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| These riots throughout the country on 12:26 - Aug 3 with 1103 views | textbackup |
| These riots throughout the country on 11:22 - Aug 3 by BlueBadger |
Ah, the old Very Real Concerns. |
What does that even mean? | |
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| These riots throughout the country on 12:26 - Aug 3 with 1101 views | BarcaBlue |
| These riots throughout the country on 12:20 - Aug 3 by textbackup |
Again, agree on that front.
As yet I’ve not seen a single Muslim or immigrant attacked as part of these ‘riots’ ‘protests’
Which say to me this is more about people being sick to death with the country as a whole.
That’s my take on it anyway |
The bricks smashing the windows at the Southport mosque were just accidental collateral damage? The anti-muslim chanting wasn't a verbal attack and was just incidental? Wake up mate. | | | |
| These riots throughout the country on 12:26 - Aug 3 with 1102 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
If you are seeking to criticise our political party leaders then you may want to consider Farage's barely coded insinuations following the awful Southport attacks. |  |
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