| Broja update in The Athletic... 08:32 - Aug 27 with 9468 views | itfcjoe |
...doesn't say a lot but feels as though it's coming to a head
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5723572/2024/08/27/manchester-united-arsenal-tr
Armando Broja agreed to join Ipswich on loan with an obligation to buy worth £30million. However, the deal has suffered a complication because the striker suffered a foot injury in training with Chelsea. Ipswich are still in talks, but they have also started to look at other options. |  |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:38 - Aug 27 with 5409 views | portmanking |
I'm getting increasingly turned-off by this deal. I don't have any faith in him staying fit a full season. We're not shopping in Poundland anymore under Marcus Evans. We don't need to take the risk with someone whose injury profile is so fragile. |  | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:43 - Aug 27 with 5304 views | MattinLondon |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:38 - Aug 27 by portmanking |
I'm getting increasingly turned-off by this deal. I don't have any faith in him staying fit a full season. We're not shopping in Poundland anymore under Marcus Evans. We don't need to take the risk with someone whose injury profile is so fragile. |
Since when has £30 million rated strikers been available in Poundland? |  | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:44 - Aug 27 with 5274 views | hoppy |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:43 - Aug 27 by MattinLondon |
Since when has £30 million rated strikers been available in Poundland? |
Normally between the shortbread and the various charging cables. |  |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:48 - Aug 27 with 5182 views | homer_123 |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:38 - Aug 27 by portmanking |
I'm getting increasingly turned-off by this deal. I don't have any faith in him staying fit a full season. We're not shopping in Poundland anymore under Marcus Evans. We don't need to take the risk with someone whose injury profile is so fragile. |
You must be equally frustrated we bought Hirst in then. |  |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:49 - Aug 27 with 5163 views | urbanpenguin |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:43 - Aug 27 by MattinLondon |
Since when has £30 million rated strikers been available in Poundland? |
Getting mixed up with Thirty Million Poundland |  | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:54 - Aug 27 with 5050 views | pointofblue |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:48 - Aug 27 by homer_123 |
You must be equally frustrated we bought Hirst in then. |
Camara's probably the most accurate comparison for the Gamechanger era. Sign someone who's injured in the hope he might be able to do something.
Hirst's availability itself hasn't been great, to be fair. | |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:54 - Aug 27 with 5054 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:38 - Aug 27 by portmanking |
I'm getting increasingly turned-off by this deal. I don't have any faith in him staying fit a full season. We're not shopping in Poundland anymore under Marcus Evans. We don't need to take the risk with someone whose injury profile is so fragile. |
It's a bit of a myth that he's got a lengthy injury history or that he's some kind of sick note.
Outside of a knee ligament tear, he's averaging 6/7 missed games a season. A number of those were corona virus as well.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/armando-broja/verletzungen/spieler/571743 | | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:58 - Aug 27 with 4964 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:38 - Aug 27 by portmanking |
I'm getting increasingly turned-off by this deal. I don't have any faith in him staying fit a full season. We're not shopping in Poundland anymore under Marcus Evans. We don't need to take the risk with someone whose injury profile is so fragile. |
We need to be suitably happy and convinced re the risk vs reward factor. However, what I would say is that if you were to do a Venn diagram of strikers available that fit our system, are within our budget range (probably loan to buy as I can't imagine we have £20m+ to spend again this summer) and have profile/potential of Broja, you'd be left with a very, very small (possibly non-existent) pool of players. [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 9:08]
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:58 - Aug 27 with 4959 views | homer_123 |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:54 - Aug 27 by pointofblue |
Camara's probably the most accurate comparison for the Gamechanger era. Sign someone who's injured in the hope he might be able to do something.
Hirst's availability itself hasn't been great, to be fair. |
I was thinking that it was a better analogy more to do with the fact we'd been after him for so long!
I don't understand why people get so upset when things take a while to sort.
Sensible due diligence from the Club before taking him on, right? Surely it would be worse that we take on a player, commit to £30m, stay up and he hardly plays!?!?! | |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:59 - Aug 27 with 4915 views | Vic |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:43 - Aug 27 by MattinLondon |
Since when has £30 million rated strikers been available in Poundland? |
I think PK's point is exactly that - this isn't Poundland anymore. You know there's a reason something is in that shop so you get what you pay for and accept when it breaks after first use. Go shopping in a reputable store (like we are now) and you pay more so you expect what you buy to be fit for purpose (pun intended), not something that might break or be unreliable. We're not shopping in Poundland anymore so we need to make sure what we get isn't poundland reliability |  |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:00 - Aug 27 with 4841 views | homer_123 |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:59 - Aug 27 by Vic |
I think PK's point is exactly that - this isn't Poundland anymore. You know there's a reason something is in that shop so you get what you pay for and accept when it breaks after first use. Go shopping in a reputable store (like we are now) and you pay more so you expect what you buy to be fit for purpose (pun intended), not something that might break or be unreliable. We're not shopping in Poundland anymore so we need to make sure what we get isn't poundland reliability |
He's in the shop window due to the fact Chelsea have 73 players signed on. [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 9:00]
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:00 - Aug 27 with 4828 views | CaptainAhab |
I'm still hoping this one happens and he comes good. From what I've seen of him (admittedly fairly little) he looks exactly the sort of striker we need. | | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:01 - Aug 27 with 4812 views | SitfcB |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:48 - Aug 27 by homer_123 |
You must be equally frustrated we bought Hirst in then. |
We didn’t have a £30million obligation to buy on Hirst! |  |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:01 - Aug 27 with 4768 views | portmanking |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:59 - Aug 27 by Vic |
I think PK's point is exactly that - this isn't Poundland anymore. You know there's a reason something is in that shop so you get what you pay for and accept when it breaks after first use. Go shopping in a reputable store (like we are now) and you pay more so you expect what you buy to be fit for purpose (pun intended), not something that might break or be unreliable. We're not shopping in Poundland anymore so we need to make sure what we get isn't poundland reliability |
Precisely that, Vic. We're able to pay the big bucks, so we should demand a player who can give us service from minute 1. There's no rehearsals for this season. If we're signing Broja but he's not going to be up and running until late Oct/Nov, what's the point if we're adrift by then? (Worst case scenario, obvs). | | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:03 - Aug 27 with 4697 views | homer_123 |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:01 - Aug 27 by SitfcB |
We didn’t have a £30million obligation to buy on Hirst! |
Which is why we haven't committed to the Borja deal as yet Sitters! The Club is being sensible, so why people are panicking and worrying is beyond me. | |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:13 - Aug 27 with 4479 views | SitfcB |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:03 - Aug 27 by homer_123 |
Which is why we haven't committed to the Borja deal as yet Sitters! The Club is being sensible, so why people are panicking and worrying is beyond me. |
Well yes, but your post seemed to be a dig at Portmanking for having worries?  | |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:15 - Aug 27 with 4410 views | homer_123 |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:13 - Aug 27 by SitfcB |
Well yes, but your post seemed to be a dig at Portmanking for having worries? |
Well, I do think PK is overreacting.
Broja is not a Poundland player, he's not overly injury prone and the Club are being sensible. Add to that Broja fits the profile of the type of player we want in that position.
So, PKs post seems very dismissive of the transfer, which I find odd. | |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:19 - Aug 27 with 4303 views | melonhead |
I’m hoping this move doesn’t happen he was on loan at Fulham last year and hardly made their first team played 8 zero goals and was sub the rest of the time i’m hoping we can get another striker 30m is a lot to waste and to be tied to for a flop. | | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:21 - Aug 27 with 4246 views | SitfcB |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:15 - Aug 27 by homer_123 |
Well, I do think PK is overreacting.
Broja is not a Poundland player, he's not overly injury prone and the Club are being sensible. Add to that Broja fits the profile of the type of player we want in that position.
So, PKs post seems very dismissive of the transfer, which I find odd. |
He’s not saying he’s a Poundland player, quite the opposite in fact, he’s saying we used to shop in Poundland and not do proper due diligence on a signing because they were cheap enough anyway. | |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:21 - Aug 27 with 4243 views | portmanking |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:15 - Aug 27 by homer_123 |
Well, I do think PK is overreacting.
Broja is not a Poundland player, he's not overly injury prone and the Club are being sensible. Add to that Broja fits the profile of the type of player we want in that position.
So, PKs post seems very dismissive of the transfer, which I find odd. |
Where have I called him a Poundland player?!
I think you've misinterpreted by OP entirely. I said, as a club, we're no longer scraping the barrel for the Larsen Toures of the market.
I accept we're doing our due diligence properly, but I can't help feeling if we're having to go to such lengths that there's too much risk attached to the deal IMO.
I like Broja's profile but, equally, I don't like the thought of leaning on Delap and Al-Hamadi for another 6-8 weeks until he's remotely up to speed. | | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:32 - Aug 27 with 4033 views | NeedhamChris |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:21 - Aug 27 by portmanking |
Where have I called him a Poundland player?!
I think you've misinterpreted by OP entirely. I said, as a club, we're no longer scraping the barrel for the Larsen Toures of the market.
I accept we're doing our due diligence properly, but I can't help feeling if we're having to go to such lengths that there's too much risk attached to the deal IMO.
I like Broja's profile but, equally, I don't like the thought of leaning on Delap and Al-Hamadi for another 6-8 weeks until he's remotely up to speed. |
Reading between the lines, PK clearly has some inside knowledge of the medical situation and Homer (like most of us) doesn't, hence what looks like a disconnect. | |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:35 - Aug 27 with 3974 views | pointofblue |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:58 - Aug 27 by homer_123 |
I was thinking that it was a better analogy more to do with the fact we'd been after him for so long!
I don't understand why people get so upset when things take a while to sort.
Sensible due diligence from the Club before taking him on, right? Surely it would be worse that we take on a player, commit to £30m, stay up and he hardly plays!?!?! |
For me, it's not the time it's taking to sort, it's the growing (seemingly) gamble of signing someone who might not be able to make the contribution we require. We did that with Camara and, in the end, he barely did anything for us. We got away with it then, but can't see us being as lucky with the additional stresses and strains of the top division.
Obviously in football anything can happen. Injury is always a possibility. But when there's a clear issue which is being looked at, is it a risk we can afford to take? | |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:56 - Aug 27 with 3709 views | homer_123 |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:32 - Aug 27 by NeedhamChris |
Reading between the lines, PK clearly has some inside knowledge of the medical situation and Homer (like most of us) doesn't, hence what looks like a disconnect. |
And yet, his injury record isn't that bad..... | |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:58 - Aug 27 with 3640 views | portmanking |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:56 - Aug 27 by homer_123 |
And yet, his injury record isn't that bad..... |
I'm not saying it is! (Although any CF with an ACL is a big red flag, personally). But if he's carrying something that means we're not going to see the best of him for a couple of months minimum, is that really the best move for us? | | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 10:00 - Aug 27 with 3624 views | cooperd5 |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:35 - Aug 27 by pointofblue |
For me, it's not the time it's taking to sort, it's the growing (seemingly) gamble of signing someone who might not be able to make the contribution we require. We did that with Camara and, in the end, he barely did anything for us. We got away with it then, but can't see us being as lucky with the additional stresses and strains of the top division.
Obviously in football anything can happen. Injury is always a possibility. But when there's a clear issue which is being looked at, is it a risk we can afford to take? |
could be we are pushing the deal as close to transfer deadline day as possible, knowing Chelsea have to shift loads of players. Then we can get more favourable terms.
McK must want Borja or we would have given up (and gone to Poundland lol) ages ago! |  | | |
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